Should we continue to go to Counseling?

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Thank you for this – I’ll look more into this.

Just some closing thoughts:

Some of you had mentioned that perhaps this isn’t the best way to get help, and in some ways you maybe right, but some of you have really helped me understand where I need to go (you know who you are and I’m very thankful).

My wife asked me this morning where the marriage class was taking place (it’s today) so it looks like she’s coming after all. I hope she sees the urgency behind this.

I feel very bad for what has happened in me not knowing enough about the faith. This is where a strong set of Catholic parents is very important (this goes for some of you parents out there). My mother did mention something about marrying at the Church, but did not tell me all the implications that might occur once you do not marry within the Church. I simply blew her off and told her I was marrying a Protestant, and marrying at the Church was not an option (I can see how stupid that was!).

I’m also going to confession this weekend so that I may partake in the Blessed Sacrament. It’s good to have a community such as this that may guide the faithful into a closer walk with the Lord. I’m very thankful for all the good (name removed by moderator)ut some of you guys have given me. 🙂
 
Lil_Cat?

Hi, I just wanted to respond to you a little bit.

I’m a practicing Catholic now, but I didn’t use to be.
From the posts your husband wrote I want to give you some (((((((hugs)))))), it must really hurt to have your husband write those things about you.

Now I don’t doubt that both of you have probably said and maybe done a few things to each other that haven’t been the most up-lifting and/or kindest way to treat someone. But it especially hurts to read negative descriptions about yourself. And of course you want your side of the story to be heard.

I also want you to know that whatever my next advice is about, that I’m not trying to slyly convert you. Infact, my fiance and I have an agreement that he will not convert to Catholicism unless he completely assents to Catholic theology…otherwise that would just be hypocrisy to God in our eyes (talked to the priest about it and everything 🙂 ). So that might help you see where I’m coming from.

This next part is for the both of you. Remember, I’ve taken the time and effort to put some real thought into my post. Please strongly consider what I write. I do hope you show this to each other.

As a newly married couple there are alot of new dynamics coming into play with you guys. What was normal to you before is now completely different and it’s not easy if you feel abandoned by the other person. In reaction to that abandonment you both get frustrated and probably very scared because you’ve just committed to life with this other person and you can’t help but imagine the worst of how these situations are going to end up.

Now, I know both of you feel like a lot of injustices have been aimed at you and you feel like you can’t move forward until they are acknowledged. But you aren’t really able to move forward until you look at yourselves first and dump it all out. So I suggest that both of you go to your separate corners 😃 and write all the things you regret doing/saying or what you should regret doing/saying. But DON’T make it into passive-aggressive little jabs at each other. You two are smart and know not to do this even though it’s really tempting! For example if your spouse said something snidely to you, and you reacted by using the silent treatment. Then just regret your own actions in how the situation was handled. Detail your own unChristian reaction.
Then sincerely apologize for your actions.

Make sure your repentence isn’t contingent on the other person. Repentence doesn’t work that way.
You can work on the other stuff later on, but for right now both of you need to humble yourself before God and each other to the point where it will probably hurt some feelings of justifications.

Then take a day or two to think about it (what you wrote and what your spouse wrote) let it marinate. And be sure to show each other how you appreciate the concessions the other person has made (please don’t automatically jump on the things they missed).

Next, go back to your corners and write out a simple plan of what you hope and expect for the other person to follow as boundaries.
Now be compassionate!!! Remember you’re dealing with a sinner who sins as much as you do. :eek:

Don’t try to put your spouse over the barrel with expectations.
I know I would love to write a contract that my fiance would have to put the toilet seat down after each visit to the restroom or I get to smack him with a rolled up newspaper 😛 but sigh things like that should be overlooked in situations like this.

You can’t get the other person to love your faith or convictions but you can ask for them to respect them.
If you feel like your contributions to the marriage and to each other’s faith hasn’t been recognized then request acknowledgement but don’t require that it be overflowing right now.
If you feel like there is only criticism from the other person. Then ask him/her to shelve those criticisms aside for right now if they are regarding your faith. Let him/her seek those answers independantly.
If you feel like your spouse takes everything you say out of context or suspects bad intent where there is none, then ask for ‘assumption of kindness’.
If you feel like your spouse talks disrepectfully towards you, then ask for them to rethink the way they speak and to speak in a way that still shows their love even though they might disagree with you.

Keep your expectation list short. And agree with each other to abide by them.

When you get steaming mad at each other, pause, take a step back. Go pray about it and then come back and talk it out.
If you are the object of a disagreement, and you feel really defensive, pause, take a breath and agree that you need to talk it out while really listening to the other person.

I don’t know the specific dynamics of your situation.

All I DO know is that, unless both of you are wanting to admit your own faults, wanting to treat each other with respect, and willing to face your problems with the object of working through them together, then things won’t turn out very well.

I mean think about it. Has talking disrepectfully to each other and about each other helped either one of you? Has holding on to hurts and grudges gotten you any farther than you are right now? Has making demands [or passive-aggressive ‘requests’]and possibly doing some adult pouting if they aren’t met really make things better?

Do you think the way you two have gone about things in the past are the building blocks to a solid marriage?

Please don’t get defensive, I’m not trying to poke you. Just trying to help 🙂
 
Thank you for this – I’ll look more into this.

Just some closing thoughts:

Some of you had mentioned that perhaps this isn’t the best way to get help, and in some ways you maybe right, but some of you have really helped me understand where I need to go (you know who you are and I’m very thankful).

My wife asked me this morning where the marriage class was taking place (it’s today) so it looks like she’s coming after all. I hope she sees the urgency behind this.

I feel very bad for what has happened in me not knowing enough about the faith. This is where a strong set of Catholic parents is very important (this goes for some of you parents out there). My mother did mention something about marrying at the Church, but did not tell me all the implications that might occur once you do not marry within the Church. I simply blew her off and told her I was marrying a Protestant, and marrying at the Church was not an option (I can see how stupid that was!).

I’m also going to confession this weekend so that I may partake in the Blessed Sacrament. It’s good to have a community such as this that may guide the faithful into a closer walk with the Lord. I’m very thankful for all the good (name removed by moderator)ut some of you guys have given me. 🙂
Look at RCIA and the marriage classes like a date. It was a blast… But it gave us time away from the kids together for the first time in 17 years… Seek counsel from your pastor…parish priests. The DRE should hopefully be of great help… we were lucky. Our DRE got hired by the bishop right after our class… We had an absolutely awesome RCIA team.
We felt like newly weds… only this time it was with a much deeper understanding that went beyond our previous faith.
 
You have got to be kidding me! I have been married for 18 YEARS! It is not the same as being in a relationship–I am sure that the Catholic Church would agree with me on this one.
You don’t know what i know about relationships & marriage… You aren’t God…

(I know you’re not because God, if human, would be Catholic:D )

But anyway, that being as it may…

I notice how you dance around that Catholic-Protestant Night and Day thing… 😃
 
The Catholic Church does not tell two non-Catholics whether their marriage is valid or not. A civil marriage is a valid marriage is this country.
Yes, the Catholic Church does… when one wants to be married in the Church… and God’s laws (coming through His Church) are superior over man’s laws…

also, the person who started this thread is Catholic…
 
I feel very bad for what has happened in me not knowing enough about the faith.
no need to feel bad… I used to beat the crud out of myself for making stupid mistakes years ago, before i was properly catechized… when i was so ignorant… but then i did some soul-searching… wrote my feeling out on paper… (very helpful), spent time with Jesus @ the Blessed Sacrament… & began to realize something: I am just a human being… i did what i thought was 'right" at the time… with the info i had… (which, comparatively speaking, wasn’t much, wasn’t good:eek: )… It is OK to be human… Sounds trite or whatever… but SO true… We can’t help being as we are… That is why Jesus had to come and show us the way… and do for us what we could not do for ourselves…
This is where a strong set of Catholic parents is very important
So true… I wish i had had that… but at least i finally found Jesus and his Church on my own… seems like one of those 'too late now" kinds of things… but its actually more like a “better late than never” thing… 😃

the only thing wrong with finding Him and His Chruch so late is… of course, a lot of damage happend to me & others before that happened… a lot that could have been avoided had i been taught the Faith early…

If you don’t have children yet… but have them some day - you now have a chance that my also-not-so-catechized parents didn’t have… 🙂
 
Is it a full moon outside. Another other thread just got pulled and this ones headed down the same road.
 
OP, I do not think you are giving your wife enough of a break. You have changed your mind about your religion and have thrown her for a loop. It’s going to take time and you can’t demand of her to come to your beliefs to please YOU. She needs to come to the church on her own terms if she pleases. You should understand this since you presented a different person to her when you were married (by this I mean, different values, beliefs, etc). What if the shoe was on the other foot and she told you she was going to be jewish and that you had better do it too!

I am not trying to slam you, don’t get defensive. But, cut her some slack. If you love her, give her space. Accept who she is - you shouldn’t have the right to change her. I agree with some of the other posts - you were the one who changed, not her, so you can’t expect her to give up her life long religion to join yours (at least not now).

You need to have the marriage blessed in the church if you want to continue it. If you do not want to continue it, look into an annulment - I think you have some grounds. I do not really believe in annulments except for in extreme circumstances (forced marriage for example), but the CC may go ahead and grant you an annulment anyway. But, I do not think you have given a real chance to your marriage - I see a lot of she won’t come with me, and you call her ignorant because she can’t see whre you are coming from - doesn’t sound very loving to me. If she won’t go, give her space - go yourself and present to her the information you gather. See if she wants to discuss it with you.

Something else that really struck me about your post is that you brushed the subject of children under the rug and said we’ll worry about that after marriage. BIG MISTAKE. That is a relationship breaker and should have been settled before marriage. I don’t know if you are intimate now (not trying to be personal here), but let me say this:

according to the church you should not be intimate unless in a valid marriage, so first see if you are in a valid marriage or not. Until this is decided, don’t have sex.

Also, as you probably would be against ABC, I would abstain anyway until you figure out this. You need to talk about what your children would be raised as, etc. Would you like to have a baby on the way and a marriage that’s ending at the same time? No. If you can’t agree on what to raise the kids as, then maybe you need to get an annulment.

I am not saying this to hurt your wife. I was in/am in your situation too. my husband has never forced me to be catholic though - I am still deciding. I have raised our son Catholic. If you are not happy in your marriage, leave for your wife’s sake. You can’t be for her a good husband then, and she deserves one (as do you).
 
Yes, the Catholic Church does… when one wants to be married in the Church… and God’s laws (coming through His Church) are superior over man’s laws…

also, the person who started this thread is Catholic…
Hi distracted,
The person who started this thread was not Catholic when he got married. He said he wasn’t anything. I know that when we ask, the Catholic Church will tell us what we need to know in order to get married in the Church because I had my marriage convalidated. What I meant is that the Catholic Church does not impose their teachings on non-Catholics. Only if one or both are Catholic. Anyways the OP is Catholic now so although his marriage is valid, he still needs the convalidation in the Catholic Church. And he knows this.
 
Hi distracted,
The person who started this thread was not Catholic when he got married. He said he wasn’t anything. I know that when we ask, the Catholic Church will tell us what we need to know in order to get married in the Church because I had my marriage convalidated. What I meant is that the Catholic Church does not impose their teachings on non-Catholics. Only if one or both are Catholic. Anyways the OP is Catholic now so although his marriage is valid, he still needs the convalidation in the Catholic Church. And he knows this.
The OP was and is still Catholic. He did not formally defect. Thus he did not validly marry… same with me.
 
My Lil Cat’,

I’m sorry for the way I’ve been acting. I realize that yesterday I was acting rather imprudent. I deeply apologize and I’m willing to make amends for any indescribable epithet directed towards you.

I have been trying really hard, with all my strength, with all my will, with all my mind, to draw us both closer to Christ. I now see that no matter how hard I try, it is He who calms the storm. With a mere whiff of His finger, the whole universe obeys, and so I will obey, in hopes that I may love what I have failed to love.

You are my friend and my light in the darkness of this world. I cannot help but wonder where I would be today if I had not met you. Only I know too well it was you that brought me to Christ, only to have me turn around and stab you in the heart. For this, I’m deeply sorry.

Now all I ask for is understanding and support. Help me carry this cross. In these next few months we will be embarking on a new journey to reclaim our marriage. It will be a long and hard battle against this present darkness, but with the help of Christ and of His Church I’m confident we may still win this.

I’m fully responsible for this and did not intent to put you through so much hardship. Had I known what I know now, things would have been much different. But the door of reconciliation is always open to God. It is He who died for us and it is He who now lives in us when we reconcile to Him.

Although this path is not always easy, the Lord is challenging us and calling us to His purpose. I am glad for having you along by my side to glorify His name in our marriage that will soon become the sacrament of Holy Matrimony.

I know that you may not always trust me, and I may not always trust in myself. But only know that I’m doing everything I can with my feeble powers to show you who I ought to be, so that in turn I may draw who you ought to be. And it is because of this that I constantly strive to constantly trust in the Lord.

I rejoice in the Lord always, so that through Him all may be healed. As I pray that my sinful atrocities may also be healed. Only, take me as I am a sinful man who does not know how to act, with flaws, fears and insecurities. So please, forgive me.

Love You Always,
M0nkey
 
My parents have been married for over 30 years. My father was a CCD teacher and my mother’s parents used to be very anti-Catholic. I think this was because they just had bad experiences with the Catholics they had met who probably were not acting as good Christians. I was raised in both churches. When my parents were married the two families were not happy with each other’s religions. There was a Lithuanian Protestant Minister who my Catholic Slovakian Great grandmother got along with wonderfully at the cermony as well as a Catholic priest. Needless to say the ceremony was doubly blessed. It was happy marriage and they learned to accept each other using the love of their children as the example. My grandparents on my mother’s side have passed away and will not be there to see me married. However they will be there in spirit as even today I wear my grandmother’s engagment ring. While my fiance was sponsoring through RCIA the question asked if there were two people that had a marriage that really embodied the sacrament. My fiance answered that my parents had that marriage. I guess in all of this my only point is to say that it is possible. There is only one thing that has to be there. Do you two still love each other?

God bless and Peace be with you :hug3:
 
My Lil Cat’,

I’m sorry for the way I’ve been acting. I realize that yesterday I was acting rather imprudent. I deeply apologize and I’m willing to make amends for any indescribable epithet directed towards you.

I have been trying really hard, with all my strength, with all my will, with all my mind, to draw us both closer to Christ. I now see that no matter how hard I try, it is He who calms the storm. With a mere whiff of His finger, the whole universe obeys, and so I will obey, in hopes that I may love what I have failed to love.

You are my friend and my light in the darkness of this world. I cannot help but wonder where I would be today if I had not met you. Only I know too well it was you that brought me to Christ, only to have me turn around and stab you in the heart. For this, I’m deeply sorry.

Now all I ask for is understanding and support. Help me carry this cross. In these next few months we will be embarking on a new journey to reclaim our marriage. It will be a long and hard battle against this present darkness, but with the help of Christ and of His Church I’m confident we may still win this.

I’m fully responsible for this and did not intent to put you through so much hardship. Had I known what I know now, things would have been much different. But the door of reconciliation is always open to God. It is He who died for us and it is He who now lives in us when we reconcile to Him.

Although this path is not always easy, the Lord is challenging us and calling us to His purpose. I am glad for having you along by my side to glorify His name in our marriage that will soon become the sacrament of Holy Matrimony.

I know that you may not always trust me, and I may not always trust in myself. But only know that I’m doing everything I can with my feeble powers to show you who I ought to be, so that in turn I may draw who you ought to be. And it is because of this that I constantly strive to constantly trust in the Lord.

I rejoice in the Lord always, so that through Him all may be healed. As I pray that my sinful atrocities may also be healed. Only, take me as I am a sinful man who does not know how to act, with flaws, fears and insecurities. So please, forgive me.

Love You Always,
M0nkey
M0nkey, that apology needed to be said, but always remember that they are just words if actions don’t back them up.
not trying to be mean, just trying to help.
prayers for both of you.
 
Me and wife have been married for a little more than a year. Just recently (about two months ago), we hit a pretty hard bump on the road and I think our religious differences are really starting to show it’s thorns. I was Baptized Catholic and she Protestant (Fundamentalist). We have been going to Counseling for the past month or so, and I see nothing’s changed in our marriage. I constantly pray for her conversion but it seems that all I get is being called a fanatic for having deep convictions in the Faith. Recently, I found out I’m not supposed to be taking the Eucharist, given that we did not have a Catholic wedding. So I called the Parish to attend a marriage class for co-validation and now she claims I’m forcing her to conversion. The other day, I attended the Holy Day of Obligation of the Assention of Our Lady, and I got acussed of worshiping Mary. It’s getting to the point where I can’t even talk freely about the Church as she immediately calls me a fanatic and a blind follower of the Pope. It seems to me we may have rushed into this marriage, without mitigating for our spiritual differences. We are already aware that the problem lies in our differences but for some reason we seem to always butt heads, without treating each other with respect first. I’m beggning to think that perhaps counseling is not the best answer for these sorts of issues, if anyone has any (name removed by moderator)ut on this please, please let me know.

We already tried talking to a Priest about this and got no response. I was hoping if we did take this marriage class, we could get to talk to a Priest and he may guide us further, but it looks like I’ll be showing up by myself for that as she won’t come.
I didn’t read all the posts (since there are 96 of them) but just in case no one has thrown this idea…

Have you spoken to your priest about a radical sanation? I was in your shoes for the first yr of my marriage too and I understand what you are going thru.

A radical sanation is a convalidation of your marriage w/o the Catholic ceremony and can be done simply because she doesn’t want another ceremony for whatever reason.

As long as there are no impediments, such as a previous marriage that hasn’t been annulled, you can petition for a sanation which has to be approved/denied by your Bishop.

The process can be quick if there are no impediments and you can receive the Eucharist as soon as they grant it and you go to confession. My process took 4 months since my DH was Catholic and now he’s not and we both were born abroad so we had to get our baptismal certs from Mexico and that delayed it…

I hope you can resolve your problems. Ever since I did this, DH and I haven’t argued because of our religious differences. We did do counseling for a few months and that helped a lot. If you think it can still help you, go ahead and continue.

Please keep us updated. And sorry if I repeated things that have already been said.
 
The OP was and is still Catholic. He did not formally defect. Thus he did not validly marry… same with me.
You are right vocatio. I thought he said he wasn’t raised in any faith but I see now that he said he was baptized Catholic.
 
My Lil Cat’,

I’m sorry for the way I’ve been acting. I realize that yesterday I was acting rather imprudent. I deeply apologize and I’m willing to make amends for any indescribable epithet directed towards you.

I have been trying really hard, with all my strength, with all my will, with all my mind, to draw us both closer to Christ. I now see that no matter how hard I try, it is He who calms the storm. With a mere whiff of His finger, the whole universe obeys, and so I will obey, in hopes that I may love what I have failed to love.

You are my friend and my light in the darkness of this world. I cannot help but wonder where I would be today if I had not met you. Only I know too well it was you that brought me to Christ, only to have me turn around and stab you in the heart. For this, I’m deeply sorry.

Now all I ask for is understanding and support. Help me carry this cross. In these next few months we will be embarking on a new journey to reclaim our marriage. It will be a long and hard battle against this present darkness, but with the help of Christ and of His Church I’m confident we may still win this.

I’m fully responsible for this and did not intent to put you through so much hardship. Had I known what I know now, things would have been much different. But the door of reconciliation is always open to God. It is He who died for us and it is He who now lives in us when we reconcile to Him.

Although this path is not always easy, the Lord is challenging us and calling us to His purpose. I am glad for having you along by my side to glorify His name in our marriage that will soon become the sacrament of Holy Matrimony.

I know that you may not always trust me, and I may not always trust in myself. But only know that I’m doing everything I can with my feeble powers to show you who I ought to be, so that in turn I may draw who you ought to be. And it is because of this that I constantly strive to constantly trust in the Lord.

I rejoice in the Lord always, so that through Him all may be healed. As I pray that my sinful atrocities may also be healed. Only, take me as I am a sinful man who does not know how to act, with flaws, fears and insecurities. So please, forgive me.

Love You Always,
M0nkey
I hope that you have both embraced the healing process now. I know that God has good things planned for this marriage, not in spite of the differences but because of them. This situation may turn out to be more of a blessing than either of you could have ever imagined. I am confident that your marriage will become stronger as long as you are taking the necessary steps for healing each others hearts.

May God bless you richly.
 
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