Should we watch Michael Voris?

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What you said what very insightful and well written.

The podcast you mentioned where he is interviewed by Dr. Marshall and Tim Gordon, is one that I highly recommend for supporters of Michael Voris and critics as well. It really humanizes him and you are opened up to a side of Michael Voris that you might never see if you’ve only watched him on his Vortex episodes.
 
As I recall, Voris teaches that the Jews of today are not real Jews … I think he goes so far as to say that modern day Jews do not really believe in God. …
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That brings to mind the MANY Jewish converts I have seen on EWTN’s The Journey Home program with Marcus Grodi - that speak of being raised a “secular” Jew, with God and religion NOT being any part of their life. That is probably what Voris was referring to there (if he in fact said that).

[But it’s hard - my husband says “inappropriate” - to respond to what someone says Voris said, with no context, quotes or links. I can say that when I hear Voris explain something, vs. sound-bite extractions from the whole, he makes sense to me.]
 
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We must be prudently compassionate how we plant seeds or Evangelize any people.
Just as long, in all of this we do not give appearances of denying Jesus Christ;
nor be judgmental of others. Isn’t this the purpose of the documents?
And do not certain Scriptures hold up this Teaching?
I do understand some people’s concerns, because there is an immense push for a secular humanist ‘inclusive’ ‘coexistence’ ‘peace’ form of godliness diametrically opposed to Jesus Christ and His Church, in every venue of society. And there was an infiltration of The Church; but we must not rail at the darkness like Michael Voris does way too much. EWTN presented "A Wolf in Sheep’s Clothing,’ and other ministries are well aware that there was an infiltration. Exposing the darkness is one thing, railing at it; constantly naming names & pointing fingers as MV does, certainly doesn’t do much.
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But it would be good for a greater oneness to counter the results of the infiltration, like the lukewarmness to encourage personal growth by Grace in objective virtue; and addressing the historical consequences on society. This will happen as more become aware. Raising awareness in an of itself is not harmful, it depends on how one does it.
Yes?
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“He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters. Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the one to come.” - Matthew 12:30-32
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“But the one who unknowingly does things worthy of punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and from him who has been entrusted with much, even more will be demanded.” Luke 12:48
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“What business of mine is it to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?” 1 Corinthians 5:12
 
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“consistent with the tradition of the early Church and with scripture” I did read the article you linked, and I did not see any reference to what the ‘early church’ taught, and the scriptural references also did not support what the article claims, IMO. Could you clarify how what the article asserts is supported by the tradition of the early church, or how the scriptural references do? Genuine question.
 
It’s more than “some people petitioning” NCR to stop calling itself Catholic, it’s every bishop that has led their HQ’s diocese for a long time now. Unlike MV, they did not change their name in contravention of canon law, if memory serves.
 
Church Militant is an essential voice (sadly) in exposing unchaste clergy, predators and those covering up, so that they can be disciplined, The smut and sexual evil has damaged the church and souls will be lost
 
Ok, not using National Catholic Register. If anyone in my life says they use it, I will point this out.
 
There’s a big difference between National Catholic Reporter and National Catholic Register!
 
To answer this question; yes and no. Yes because we should expose ourselves to people with different views and opinions from our own. No because most of Voris’ content consists of bashing clergy he doesn’t like because he dislikes their politics. Like he’s repeatedly attacked Fr james Martin as being unchaste etc. Now you can disagree with Fr Martin’s politics and his theological viewpoint, but making baseless accusations against his character? That’s wrong.

I also don’t think we should listen to Voris and Church Militant as an authority on human sexuality. A lot of their content pushes the idea that sexual orientation can change and there is absolutely zero evidence to support that. It’s also heavily discouraged by the Church itself.

I know Church Militant isn’t entirely 100% clergy bashing, it’s just that most of their content is clergy bashing. And their content on sexuality is completely inaccurate and baseless
 
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I know Church Militant isn’t entirely 100% clergy bashing, it’s just that most of their content is clergy bashing. And their content on sexuality is completely inaccurate and baseless
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Two strong assertions which require supporting evidence - care to provide?
 
I find myself agreeing to Michael Voris more often than I want to admit.

His investigative journalism proves itself to be crucial to give voice to the victims.

He souds like bashing the church. But it turns out in doing so, his team and he do their homework well, and not just lip service. If the church has anything to say to Michael Voris and team, the church has all other catholic media at her finger tip.

After all, the truth shall set us free
 
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I am coming into the Catholic Church. I should be starting RCIA at the end of summer sometime. What initially drew me into the Church was watching The One True Faith with Michael Voris back in 2006 or so. I’ve done a lot of studying over the years with plenty of internal struggles. I know that the Catholic Church is the Fullness of Truth that Jesus Christ created. I watch Church Militant frequently which is Michael Voris’s website as I’m sure most know. It seems that he only looks for the bad in the Church though. I can see why with his prior journalistic abilities of digging for dirt. Is it profitable to do so though? If all you are looking for is the bad, wouldn’t that hurt your faith? Take, for instance, Pope Francis coming out recently and strongly supporting the Church’s stance against abortion. I don’t recall any video or article about that supporting the Vicar of Christ. What are your thoughts on him and whether it is a good idea or not to continue supporting his work?
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There is an almost endless supply of good Catholic materials that edify rather than tear down.
Your instincts are good.
 
Ok, and what of his content attacking people like Fr James Martin? He routinely attacks him as being unchaste and a whole manner of other things that he can’t possibly prove. Is that really something good?
 
I read Church Militant and Lifesite because they are good watchdog sites who report many situations that aren’t covered elsewhere. Of course they are biased, every single living person has a bias for what is important to them.

I think both sites are run by/for Catholics who are trying to be loyal to God and the Church. Both at times do need to work on bringing their perspectives with less rancor and more opportunities for the opposition’s counterpoints.

I’d 1000 times rather read these sites where I can filter out usually justifiable anger than Fr. James Martin or the National Catholic Reporter who literally spew out anti-Catholic material and try to disguise it as Catholicism.

The other point that has to be made is that we should distinguish between the articles on the sites and posters in the comments sections, who can be more abrasive and insulting than the site itself. Christian charity needs to be observed…pray for all sinners, especially great sinners, to repent and return to the bosom of Christ and his Church. This is more important than writing a scathing comment.
 
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He routinely attacks him as being unchaste and a whole manner of other things that he can’t possibly prove
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Would you be able to point to any attacks involving accusations of unchastity? I’ve seen plenty of CM material centred on Martin’s messaging - specifically his deliberate ambiguity in areas where ambiguity is morally dangerous and his often selective and distorted take on Church teachings. I don’t recall ever seeing CM attack his chastity.
 
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Fr. James Martin or the National Catholic Reporter who literally spew out anti-Catholic material and try to disguise it as Catholicism.
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Would you please post Fr Martin’s anti Catholic material.
 
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