Should we watch Michael Voris?

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You may also have known that Michael Voris himself testified he has been set free from homosexuality. He also used to be a seminarian. I could begin to see why his passionate about this issue in the church.
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And I can see why he speaks to some people on a deep level. That is why I find the topic a little off. No answer can speak for “we” as in the title of the thread. That which speaks to some, others will find disturbing and counter-productive.

Ditto Fr. Martin. God does not always remove that temptation for everyone. Even St. Paul had some issue he spoke of.
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God does heal those whom despite their imperfections, persist to seek & believe God can heal.

And indeed scientifically it is not impossible. The biology of these people are just normal. Human mind is malleable. Theorethically, any addiction, or psychological trauma, or even misinformed conscience, misled associative thoughts, bad info learning sex from porn, and so on-- all those-- theoretically can be unlearnt.

And on top of the science, we have God. There is nothing impossible for God.
 
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These are all editorials.

I suggest stepping away from the editorials and reading the actual books authored by Fr Martin.

“The Jesuit Guide to Almost Everything” is a good place to begin.
 
If someone were to listen to Michael Voris that never heard him before, I would get the idea that they would think he is not Catholic and always going against the Church, and the Authority of its members(however be it, sometimes bad.)
 
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What are your thoughts on him and whether it is a good idea or not to continue supporting his work?
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Michael Voris and his Vortex have a strong and difficult flavor. I only read/watch him occasionally. Thus far, I haven’t found him to speak falsely. His task is unique today. I view him as a modern day crusader using the tools and defense of our time. I question how he and so many like him maintain daily momentum. I know the fight is relentless per individual everyday. My battle per day is small. Someone like Michael fights on bigger ground? CurtisHouse, I pray as you advance into the Catholic Church. …certainly hoping you understand that inside and outside the Church there is an ongoing battle. Perhaps you would benefit more on peaceful grounds as you prepare to enter. There are quieter guides in the Church that are just as safe.
 
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TheLittleLady said:
I suggest stepping away from the editorials and reading the actual books authored by Fr Martin.
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No. That is terrible advice. And particularly awful to be given from one Catholic to another. I would greatly discourage anyone from reading anything from Fr. Martin.
 
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Which books have you read and why would you call suggesting them “terrible advice”?
 
TMC said:
If I understand you correctly, that is what the Church teaches, provides you agree with the Church that Jews need not convert to be saved by Christ
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I have a few questions

When Jesus gave the following instruction

Matt 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent out, charging them, **“Go nowhere among the Gentiles, and enter no town of the Samaritans, [**b] 6 but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And preach as you go, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’ 8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons…

Q’s:​

  1. Who specifically are these lost sheep of the house of Israel? & Why are they lost?
  2. Are there sheep of the house of Israel Who are NOT lost ? Who are they? What / WHO determines that?
  3. Is the message of the “kingdom of Heaven” different for these lost sheep of Israel than for any one else? What is THAT message? That perhaps the OT is fine, and the NT isn’t for them?
  4. Where does Jesus ever say in scripture, that there is no need for the Jews to believe in Him?
Just thinking outloud.
 
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TheLittleLady said:
Which books have you read and why would you call suggesting them “terrible advice”?
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Are we talking about the same Fr Martin? Fr James Martin?

This Fr James Martin?
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Do not encourage this man. Do not lead others to him.
 
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Nigel7 said:
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I have a few questions

When Jesus gave the following instruction

Matt 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent out, charging them, **“Go nowhere among the Gentiles, and enter no town of the Samaritans, [**b] 6 but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And preach as you go, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’ 8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons…

Q’s:​

  1. Who specifically are these lost sheep of the house of Israel? & Why are they lost?
  2. Are there sheep of the house of Israel Who are NOT lost ? Who are they? What / WHO determines that?
  3. Is the message of the “kingdom of Heaven” different for these lost sheep of Israel than for any one else? What is THAT message? That perhaps the OT is fine, and the NT isn’t for them?
  4. Where does Jesus ever say in scripture, that there is no need for the Jews to believe in Him?
Just thinking outloud.
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Are we talking about the same Fr Martin? Fr James Martin?

This Fr James Martin?
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Do not encourage this man. Do not lead others to him.
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I wasn’t aware he was on the radar.

Believe me, I avoid him.
 
Hey, steve,
I fixed my post. Somehow yours was quoted instead of littlelady. Sorry 'bout the mixup there.
 
This photoshopped image does not answer my questions.

Before I warn people about an author or a book, I either read the books myself or will go to Vatican.va to see if Holy Mother Church has issued a warning.

Just asking you which books you have read as Vatican.va does not have any warning documents wrt Fr James Martin.
 
That’s an image from his own photoshoot. There’s several of him using that backdrop, probably from around the time of the release of his “bridges” book.

There’s plenty of cause for alarm regarding Martin. Bishops at the fairly recent USCCB bishops summit, for example, stood up at the mic and warned other bishops to keep Fr Martin out of their diocese’.
 
I google searched, it is actually from a video (thanks for the correction).

This video is about loving people, bringing the gospel, give it a listen it is a good meditation for all of us

 
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Which books have you read and why would you call suggesting them “terrible advice”?
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In the books of Fr. Martin’s that you’ve read, have you encountered him clearly and unambiguously informing LGBT readers that they need to live in alignment with the teachings of the Church? I thought Building a Bridge would have been an apt place for this, given the subject matter.
 
Did I say there was a document? I said they stood at the mic and expressed themselves. There was a video of it the following day on youtube from a news source releasing clips of the summit.

Do you honestly believe that promoting and encouraging the LGBT+ lifestyle is Christ-like? No more Christ-like than promoting and encouraging other sinful lifestyles. Sodomy is a mortal sin, obviously. Sex outside of marriage, for example, is a deadly sin too, obviously. Would you encourage people to commit adultery? Even to celebrate it? Why then with sodomy and the homosexual lifestyle? Why be an agent of such things, holding their hand down that path, walking them down the road to perdition?

Stay away from Fr James Martin. Do not lead others to him.

That’s all I have to say.

Paul’s got something to say now…

"Therefore, God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, that their bodies might be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions, for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error."
-Rom 1
 
Just so we are clear, we are comparing Father Martin, the Catholic theologian and priest who the Pope appointed as a consultant to the Vatican, to Michael Voris, whose own bishop demanded stop calling his business Catholic. Those two guys, right? And which guy is supposedly anti-Catholic - the guy that Vatican says is a Catholic Theologian, or the guy that has to stop calling his work Catholic?
 
I would drop both of them. Voris lacks meekness and humility, and Martin is like a half cooked steak. He does some things right, but the part that’s lacking is just as important. There is an intentional ambiguity that makes it look likes he’s hiding something. I do that sometimes to be playful, but not with important things like Church doctrine.
 
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TMC said:
Just so we are clear, we are comparing Father Martin, the Catholic theologian and priest who the Pope appointed as a consultant to the Vatican, to Michael Voris, whose own bishop demanded stop calling his business Catholic. Those two guys, right? And which guy is supposedly anti-Catholic - the guy that Vatican says is a Catholic Theologian, or the guy that has to stop calling his work Catholic?
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It definitely shows the sad state of affairs in the church that this is the state of affairs when Michael Voris has a better understanding of Catholic doctrine than many of the clergy.
 
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