Should Women Wear Veils In Church

[catharina]

Who said ANYTHING about Medjugorje??? I don’t believe I ever mentioned it!

Wow - now we are making things up?

Let’s stay on topic here.

As it has been suggested, Mary has never appeared without her head covered. No specific visions have been referenced.

~Liza

My intial reference was to Post # 49. It included specific references to Medjugorje. I carefully removed that part when I referred to Post # 49. Yet it WAS mentioned in Post # 49.

Wow. Are you making things up?
Or just not paying attention?

Or getting defensive over nothing at all?

 

[mammallama]

Who said ANYTHING about Medjugorje??? I don’t believe I ever mentioned it!

Wow - now we are making things up?

Let’s stay on topic here.

As it has been suggested, Mary has never appeared without her head covered. No specific visions have been referenced.

~Liza

Thank-you.Now back to the issue of veils…regardless of what women(and men) wish to read into the"rules"…perhaps we could just take a step back and review the ninth commandment as it relates to modesty in dress.The whole point is not to be an object of human desire while in the presence of Our Lord.

 

[strugglingalong]

My intial reference was to Post # 49. It included specific references to Medjugorje. I carefully removed that part when I referred to Post # 49. Yet it WAS mentioned in Post # 49.

Wow. Are you making things up?
Or just not paying attention?

Or getting defensive over nothing at all?

But it was mentioned by me, not by Liza, and your response was to Liza. It was a bit confusing. But we can substitute Fatima for Medjugorje and it’s the same issue.

Pax Christi tecum.

 

[Sure]

Struggling,

The fact that Mary has appeared with a veil might be due to the fact that she is a 1st century AD Jewish woman. It is not a sign to all of us to wear veils. She commonly is portrayed in blue, does that mean women should all wear blue to church.

This is silly. Wearing veils is a fine tradition, but it is not in any way indicative of holiness or required.

 

[catharina]

But it was mentioned by me, not by Liza, and your response was to Liza. It was a bit confusing. But we can substitute Fatima for Medjugorje and it’s the same issue.

Pax Christi tecum.

I’ve no intentions of “confusing” anyone.

My own adult formation is Vincentian, Sts. Vincent de Paul and Louise de Marillac.

As Vincent told the Sisters when he founded the Daughters of Charity “and for your veil, (wear) Holy Modesty.” How easy is that? Pretty easy, IMO.

It is the essence. Clothing is an accidental in this case.

 

[catharina]

Struggling,

The fact that Mary has appeared with a veil might be due to the fact that she is a 1st century AD Jewish woman. It is not a sign to all of us to wear veils. She commonly is portrayed in blue, does that mean women should all wear blue to church.

This is silly. Wearing veils is a fine tradition, but it is not in any way indicative of holiness or required.

Quite relevant to all.

 

[strugglingalong]

Struggling,

The fact that Mary has appeared with a veil might be due to the fact that she is a 1st century AD Jewish woman. It is not a sign to all of us to wear veils. She commonly is portrayed in blue, does that mean women should all wear blue to church.

This is silly. Wearing veils is a fine tradition, but it is not in any way indicative of holiness or required.

But she’s not in the context of 1st century AD Judaism. She is in heaven with Our Lord and she has appeared in the 20th century. I just find it curious that the model for women always has her head covered.

Pax Christi tecum.

 

[strugglingalong]

I’ve no intentions of “confusing” anyone.

My own adult formation is Vincentian, Sts. Vincent de Paul and Louise de Marillac.

As Vincent told the Sisters when he founded the Daughters of Charity “and for your veil, (wear) Holy Modesty.” How easy is that? Pretty easy, IMO.

It is the essence. Clothing is an accidental in this case.

Except none of the Saints would have said to wear humility and don’t wear a veil. They would have said to wear the veil with humility.

Pax Christi tecum.

 

[mammallama]

And tomorrow is the Feast-day of The Assumption,and to honor The Blessed Virgin we ladies should cover of heads as a sign to the rest.

 

[catharina]

Except none of the Saints would have said to wear humility and don’t wear a veil. They would have said to wear the veil with humility.

Pax Christi tecum.

I beg your pardon?

St. Vincent de Paul said:" … and for your veil, (I give you) Holy Modesty."

Please don’t offer a comment that highlights your ignorance and your opinion.

 

[mammallama]

Oh my…this is not nice.please stop bickering.

 

[catharina]

dc-northeast.org/

Vincent, in his shrewd wisdom, laid the foundation for the Daughters to maintain the necessary mobility and to live in the midst of those who were most abandoned.

“They shall keep in mind that they are not in a religious order, since that state is not compatible with the duties of their vocation. Nevertheless, because they are more exposed to the world than religious bound to the cloister, having:

for monastery, only the houses of the sick,
for cell, a rented room,
for chapel, the parish church,
for cloister, the streets of the city,
for enclosure, obedience,
for grill, the fear of God
for veil, holy modesty

and making no other profession (vow) to ensure their vocation than their constant trust in Divine Providence and the offering they make to God of all that they are and of their service in the person of the poor.”

 

[maggiemay2u]

Yes, women should be wearing chapel veils. It is a sign of the sacred as everything sacred is veiled: Our Lord in the Most Blessed Sacrament tabernacle is one such example. Women are especially sacred because they carry new life.

Ever see Mary without her head covered?

Pax Christi tecum.

I don’t recall seeing Christ in a polo shirt and Bermuda shorts, either. I know He probably wore sandals, not shoes and socks, but given that was dress of the day, both formal and casual, so this seems like a good thing.

I don’t believe there’s anything in Church law that outlines a men’s dress code, though given the prevalence of flip-flops, sockless shoes, shorts and Tee shirts on my male counterparts, maybe it’s time for one.

I have nothing against head coverings for women, though not necessarily veils. it would probably bring about a more reverent form of dress across the board. I just want the men to be a part of the operation.

 

[catharina]

Oh my…this is not nice.please stop bickering.

The man insults a SAINT and I should stop correcting him?
Ah - no.

 

[lizaanne]

And tomorrow is the Feast-day of The Assumption,and to honor The Blessed Virgin we ladies should cover of heads as a sign to the rest.

I will cover my head at Mass tomorrow, but not to honor the Blessed Virgin, which is actually a byproduct so to speak - but to be humble in the presence of Jesus in the Eucharist and His angels.

~Liza

 

[maggiemay2u]

In an undergrad class dealing with the writings of St. Paul, I can recall the professor relating the headcover was to remove an occassion of sin for men. Women’s hair, long and flowing, was one of a woman’s most alluring attributes.

I’ve no intentions of “confusing” anyone.

My own adult formation is Vincentian, Sts. Vincent de Paul and Louise de Marillac.

As Vincent told the Sisters when he founded the Daughters of Charity “and for your veil, (wear) Holy Modesty.” How easy is that? Pretty easy, IMO.

It is the essence. Clothing is an accidental in this case.

 

[mammallama]

I will cover my head at Mass tomorrow, but not to honor the Blessed Virgin, which is actually a byproduct so to speak - but to be humble in the presence of Jesus in the Eucharist and His angels.

~Liza

That’s works for me.Actually I’m just trying to maintain the peace and point out that since it is the Assumption Feastday that it might be a good time to start wearing a mantilla.

 

[strugglingalong]

I beg your pardon?

St. Vincent de Paul said:" … and for your veil, (I give you) Holy Modesty."

Please don’t offer a comment that highlights your ignorance and your opinion.

So you’re saying that St. Vincent de Paul exhorted women to not wear the veil when it was required that they do? That is where I am confused…

Pax Christi tecum.

 

[strugglingalong]

I don’t recall seeing Christ in a polo shirt and Bermuda shorts, either. I know He probably wore sandals, not shoes and socks, but given that was dress of the day, both formal and casual, so this seems like a good thing.

I don’t believe there’s anything in Church law that outlines a men’s dress code, though given the prevalence of flip-flops, sockless shoes, shorts and Tee shirts on my male counterparts, maybe it’s time for one.

I have nothing against head coverings for women, though not necessarily veils. it would probably bring about a more reverent form of dress across the board. I just want the men to be a part of the operation.

Absolutely. At our parish men generally wear suits or nice shirts with a tie. We don’t get flip flops and the like.

Pax Christi tecum.

 

[strugglingalong]

The man insults a SAINT and I should stop correcting him?
Ah - no.

I didn’t insult a Saint. I questioned your interpretation of what he said. You make it sound as if he would tell women not to ever wear a veil even to Holy Mass when at that time those same women he was talking to wore chapel veils like every other woman. He was not instruction them to not wear chapel veils which makes it at best irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

Pax Christi tecum.