Should Women Wear Veils In Church

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Hi Catharina!
I do know posters who have indeed said that they hated (literally hated) wearing veils OR hats and would never do so again. Now mind you, they never said they would disobey the Church if it became mandatory again, but that’s because they would either say, "Well, it’s not going to happen so why worry’ or “If it does happen, I’ll cross that bridge when I come to it”. Since they did express such vehement views I only urged caution in a general sense, not a particular one --I did not however go so far as to say that any given individual would refuse though.

As far as the 'not being able to pop in to church due to being ‘veil-less’. . .well, I’m almost 52 (folks, you can send those birthday cards to me on the Feast of St. Bartholomew, LOL) and as a matter of course all of us ‘girls’ in my family/school/parish were **always prepared **for an impromptu visit to a Church. First, most of us carried those little plastic rainbonnets that cost 50 cents and came in a little case that fit into a pocket–not only good for keeping hair dry in a rainshower, but fine for church as well. Second, in the car glove compartment we always carried extra scraves or chapel veils. Third, we always kept in the far back pocket of our pants, skirts, and/or tops or in one of the sections of our pocketbook either a clean handkerchief (usually one of Grandma’s!) or at a pinch, Kleenex (clean) and bobby pins.

Whether we were on foot, camping ‘out in the wilderness’, in the car exploring, whatever, we had some kind of head gear available. It was as automatic as reaching for your toothbrush in the morning. It is as automatic as today reaching for the sunscreen before going out and making sure you have your keys when you leave the house.

If we had ever been in a situation where we somehow didn’t have a head covering --a bear ate the rainbonnet, we used the Kleenex to staunch the blood from our wounded comrades, the scarf to tie to a tree for the rescuers to find us, etc., and lo and behold as we were being carried from the scene we passed a church and wanted to go in. . .but yikes! no head covering. . .

Well, we just said, “Gee. Wish I had my head covering. Guess I’ll have to go get one and come back. Or wait until next week and make sure I have one then. Now I’ll just quietly recite the rosary on my way to the hospital.”

Because while it would have been nice to go into the church and quietly bleed in the company of the Blessed Sacrament --it was neither a personal ‘right’ that I was entitled to (but a privilege which under the right circumstances I could aspire to), nor was my nonattendance an undeserved deprivation foisted upon me because I was a loathsome female who dared not appear before the Lord with uncovered head for shame.
 
We’re doomed.
Oh come on. Have faith! Be Not Afraid!

If we just keep on firmly reciting:

Nobody right now is wrong if she wears a veil. Nobody right now is wrong if she doesn’t wear a veil. There are good reasons to wear a veil. But nobody right now is wrong if she doesn’t wear a veil. It is the Church’s decision to make and ours to abide by whatever decision is made. Nobody right now is wrong if she wears a veil. Nobody right now is wrong if she doesn’t wear a veil. . .

We’ll be fine!
 
I heard about this forum from the radio programs on Covenant Radio.I expected more than what I saw here today.I thought I’d find some love and respect along with a solid Catholic unity.This saddens me deeply.
 
Hi Catharina!
I do know posters who have indeed said that they hated (literally hated) wearing veils OR hats and would never do so again.
I see you’ve been on this site much longer than I have so I’m sure you’ve seen many things over the years. I haven’t seen posts like that. Again, I am thankful and joyful that headcovering practice is no longer considered mandatory. (Yes, by the time I and my classmates reached high school age, we were required to carry chapel veils. That made sense.)
 
heard about this forum from the radio programs on Covenant Radio.I expected more than what I saw here today.I thought I’d find some love and respect along with a solid Catholic unity.This saddens me deeply.
You’ll find lots of love and respect and Catholic unity here, mamma. It’s just that some forums we’re a little more . . .outspoken. We can disagree. . .sometimes it even gets a little hot. . .but the majority of the posts, even when they disagree, are not really hateful or disrespectful. Honestly!

Lots of times too if you come ‘late’ onto a thread you might find that people have been carrying on a discussion for several pages and it might look ‘hotter’ than it is. There are also the occasional ‘flamers’. And some posters who know each other well can make in-jokes or comments that look unkind but the other poster knows they are doing it tongue-in-cheek. I’m glad you came by and remarked on this though because it’s a good reminder to us to be more careful so that people coming in ‘for the first time’ do not get the wrong impression.

This particular forum (Traddy) has not been around as long as some, because it can be a ‘hot-button’ topic. People have strong feelings. . .

but I’ll tell you this. No matter how much I might personally disagree with any given poster here–anyone!–that poster is my brother and sister in Christ and I will do my level best to treat them as if they were Christ. And when I fail (as I can often do) I will apologize, and I will pray forgiveness, and I will try again and again to do the right thing, because I love them all very, very deeply.
 
Catharina --thank you for saying I’d been longer ‘on the site’ and not ‘on the earth’, LOL. Sometimes I feel like Methuselah!

Well, I do hope veils come back. . .but that being said, if they do, I think that there should be a lot more provision made especially in the first few years of the ‘change’. Having a place set aside with lots and lots and lots of veils, scarves, etc. so that if a woman comes to church and realizes she forget a covering, she can go in and find something NICE and put it on and keep it ‘for a spare’ would be something I’d suggest. Heck, I’d gladly spend my free time knitting and crocheting headscarves, berets, tams, etc. It would be a great ministry, too. Lots of younger women are picking up knitting and crocheting and there are still lots of us ‘older ones’ who do it too–children can learn, etc. But definitely having the church ‘ready’ would be important!
 
You’ll find lots of love and respect and Catholic unity here, mamma. It’s just that some forums we’re a little more . . .outspoken. We can disagree. . .sometimes it even gets a little hot. . .but the majority of the posts, even when they disagree, are not really hateful or disrespectful. Honestly!
And some posters who know each other well can make in-jokes or comments that look unkind but the other poster knows they are doing it tongue-in-cheek. END QUOTE

Some of us live in an isolated world.All I ever hear is the constant rantings of my husband.It’s no surprise that I ended up marrying a man just like my father.mean drunken angry at the world.Even tounge-in-cheek comments usually mask an element of anger.
 
Some of us live in an isolated world.All I ever hear is the constant rantings of my husband.It’s no surprise that I ended up marrying a man just like my father.mean drunken angry at the world.Even tounge-in-cheek comments usually mask an element of anger.
You bring up a good point and I can see why this would upset you. That’s a heavy cross and you have my prayers. Too often we don’t see a lot of things we should. May God bless you and may the Holy Family be with you in your troubles to guard and guide you.
 
I heard about this forum from the radio programs on Covenant Radio.I expected more than what I saw here today.I thought I’d find some love and respect along with a solid Catholic unity.This saddens me deeply.
Oh my gosh mamma, if this saddens you deeply it’s a good thing you haven’t been to some of the other threads in here! Downright depressing. 😦
 
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Some of us live in an isolated world.All I ever hear is the constant rantings of my husband.It’s no surprise that I ended up marrying a man just like my father.mean drunken angry at the world.Even tounge-in-cheek comments usually mask an element of anger.

Dreadfully sorry to hear that. Prayers.
 
The reasons given for wearing the veils do not seem very significant. Please enlighten me, hair is erotic? But a kleenex will suffice to ensure modesty, even though the hair is not covered?

There was a canon law about this, too. I just don’t understand how wearing a veil is modest when it covers only a small part of the hair.
 
A tissue is not more modest it just is an exercise in humility. It acknowledges the presence of the Angels, not in the best way but in a simple way. It also can be used to teach children the importance of respecting the importance of expressing our faith, not hiding it internally but also being witnesses to the truth of our faith.

In Christ
Scylla
 
I think the only thing this thread has…proven is that some women don’t think its necassary to wear a veil…some mistakenly think its something about equality…others don’t want to use it because they say it doesn’t matter whats on the head but in the heart…Others just don’t want to be told what to do

Personally…i think if women truly are reverand and humble as they say they are they should use a veil…DOES IT HURT! DOES IT BURN YOUR HEAD!

mr grandma…God bless her!..has always worn a veil to church…even if her “friends” don’t

She knows it’s not a rule anymore…she knows that other women can be just a humble and reverand as her…but she knows who it is that she looks up to at Mass…it is her Lord lifted for worship!
 
I think the only thing this thread has…proven is that some women don’t think its necassary to wear a veil…some mistakenly think its something about equality…others don’t want to use it because they say it doesn’t matter whats on the head but in the heart…Others just don’t want to be told what to do

Personally…i think if women truly are reverand and humble as they say they are they should use a veil…DOES IT HURT! DOES IT BURN YOUR HEAD!

mr grandma…God bless her!..has always worn a veil to church…even if her “friends” don’t

She knows it’s not a rule anymore…she knows that other women can be just a humble and reverand as her…but she knows who it is that she looks up to at Mass…it is her Lord lifted for worship!
We have no right to put burdens on other people. The Church does not require the veil, and for a human being to impose this “burden” on women is wrong.
 
The two or three months a year when men and boys wore hats (for protection from weather) I’m sure they took off their hats. The females were stuck with no choice to enter and pray if they happened to be without a hat or scarf.

If you have a need to view this through some invented liberal-conservative slant … whatever.
I was speaking if occurances relevant to ordinary common sense.

Thanks for the judgment, (I guess).
Here is a “liberal catholic” being described by the theologian Scheeben; from A Manual Of Catholic Theology, Based On Scheeben’s “Dogmatik” Joseph Wilhelm, D.D., PHD. And Thomas B. Scannell, D.D.

Concil, III, 232:
“[The Liberal] measures divine and Catholic faith with the standard of human faith; he regards it, consequently, as an act of free trust and sovereign approbation whereby one accepts and makes his own a truth that is seen to be sufficiently attested. The testimony of another appears to him as authority only insofar as he allows himself freely to be influenced and moved by it; but it is not authority in the sense that the testimony, as an imperious, absolutely binding judgment, necessitates him to an obedient acceptance of its content. According to, this theory, faith, insofar as it is referred formally to the word of God as to its source, is not an act of obedience and submissive homage, but the simple acknowledgment that God has spoken the truth.”
This describes you…does it not?

SFD

P.S.
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SFD:
Has anyone checked The Textural Concordance of The Holy Scriptures for a clue as to why the Church requires a head covering for women?
I notice you didn’t address this one, catherina…are you afraid to look…or don’t you care what the scriptures say. It is the basis for the 1917 CIC, btw. 🙂
 
We have no right to put burdens on other people. The Church does not require the veil, and for a human being to impose this “burden” on women is wrong.
This is wrong only if they force women to do so and the women do not believe in the presence of Angels at the Mass.
If they are faithless and are forced to do so then it is wrong.

They have the free choice to not wear them. I have the free choice to go to confession once a year instead of more often. We have the freedom to do less. It is better to do more for God.

It is not wrong at all to encourage people to do good, and it is quite evil to encourage people not to do good. Ones personal desire not to wear a veil should never be imposed upon others, but all Catholics should encourage Catholic women to wear a veil as it is a good and holy thing to do.

In Christ
Scylla
 
I notice you didn’t address this one, catherina…are you afraid to look…or don’t you care what the scriptures say. It is the basis for the 1917 CIC, btw. 🙂
As it has already been explained, the code of 1917 was abrogated in its entirety. Although headcovering may have been a custom prior to 1917, in 1917 it became a law. Since it is a law, it is treated as a law. There is nothing in canon law that says that laws that have been around may be treated as customs.

Just because there is a scriptural reference does not mean the law cannot be abrogated.

Apparently, even the Holy See decided that the 1917 law was no longer binding. Along the same lines even the most educated and devout Catholics completely flouted the canon which forbid women and men from sitting together in church.
 
We have no right to put burdens on other people. The Church does not require the veil, and for a human being to impose this “burden” on women is wrong.
“Burden”??!! Carrying a cross while bloody and beaten is a burden. Holding the body of your dead Son in your arms is a burden.

Wearing something in your head to show reverence is hardly a burden.:rolleyes:

~Liza
 
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