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redrosetea
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There seem to be no lack of modern day Pharisees on this forum
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nsm
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Wearing something in your head to show reverence is hardly a burden./QUOTE]
I so agree with this! There are so many other gymnastics many (if not most) women go through when getting ready. And there are many other garments women wear that men do not, and most women would not dream of leaving home much less going to church without. If I were to compare the amount of time an effort it takes me to put on a chapel veil with some of these other necessary pieces of clothing, it is the most simple thing I do. It is MUCH easier than tying my shoes.
I think that the chafing comes with the “women must wear hair coverings,” because of the whole code change in 1983. Well, I was a wee tot in 1983 (and a Baptist at that), but one thing that is a disconnect for me is why people want to throw out so many beautiful things? Even the tabernacle, the TABERNACLE, is being shunted to the side so that you really have to look for it (interestingly enough it too is a veiled holy vessel).
All of these signs are powerful witnesses to the world. When I was a young girl in catholic school - still a protestant - the witness of Catholics really spoke volumes to me, there is no doubt about that, but the beauty of the sanctuary, the holyness of the mass, the tabernacle right in the center - though I didn’t know why they all were witnessess to the glory of the God that we worship, and the reality, the utter reality of the REAL PRESENCE. That the veil is a sign of the angels in not something to be lightly brushed aside. At least in my Baptist fellowship, angels were something that occurred in the Bible on rare occasions, and really weren’t something that we thought about. My point is that all of these signs are not just for the wearer, or the Catholic in the pew - they are witnesses to the reality that the God that we serve has kept his promise to be with us ALWAYS, and he is really there in every Catholic sanctuary, and the angles are there praising him, the King of Glory, and we are all there together praising him.
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lizaanne
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lizaanne
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Very beautifully said!!lizaanne;4060822:
I so agree with this! There are so many other gymnastics many (if not most) women go through when getting ready. And there are many other garments women wear that men do not, and most women would not dream of leaving home much less going to church without. If I were to compare the amount of time an effort it takes me to put on a chapel veil with some of these other necessary pieces of clothing, it is the most simple thing I do. It is MUCH easier than tying my shoes.Wearing something in your head to show reverence is hardly a burden.
I think that the chafing comes with the “women must wear hair coverings,” because of the whole code change in 1983. Well, I was a wee tot in 1983 (and a Baptist at that
All of these signs are powerful witnesses to the world. When I was a young girl in catholic school - still a protestant - the witness of Catholics really spoke volumes to me, there is no doubt about that, but the beauty of the sanctuary, the holyness of the mass, the tabernacle right in the center - though I didn’t know why they all were witnessess to the glory of the God that we worship, and the reality, the utter reality of the REAL PRESENCE. That the veil is a sign of the angels in not something to be lightly brushed aside. At least in my Baptist fellowship, angels were something that occurred in the Bible on rare occasions, and really weren’t something that we thought about. My point is that all of these signs are not just for the wearer, or the Catholic in the pew - they are witnesses to the reality that the God that we serve has kept his promise to be with us ALWAYS, and he is really there in every Catholic sanctuary, and the angles are there praising him, the King of Glory, and we are all there together praising him.
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catharina
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You have become personally insulting. Such vicious, cowardly and untrue accusations should lead to a dozen calls for your removal from this thread. I have no need or calling to look into your version of truth. (For the record, I’ve studied Canon Law in depth under the direction of two canon lawyers who are, first and foremost, priests.) Please save such ugly personal attacks for people who can see you face to face. That would eliminate the “cowardly” aspect.Here is a “liberal catholic” being described by the theologian Scheeben; from A Manual Of Catholic Theology, Based On Scheeben’s “Dogmatik” Joseph Wilhelm, D.D., PHD. And Thomas B. Scannell, D.D.
Concil, III, 232:
This describes you…does it not?
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I notice you didn’t address this one, catherina…are you afraid to look…or don’t you care what the scriptures say. It is the basis for the 1917 CIC, btw.
Bullies are always cowards.
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AlexV
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You’re always quick to try to silence dissent, aren’t you, Catharina?
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catharina
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I think you have proven that you are free to offer your opinion even when it is in oppostion to what the Church considers to be a standard. It’s encouraging that you realize your words are in contradiction to what you say is no longer a Church “rule.” I hope you will offer some very special prayers for the Catholics in China - priests who risk their lives to offer Mass and women who are thankful to attend underground Mass whether they are able to cover their heads or not. (No offense to your grandmother.)
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AlexV
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Actually, while there are plenty of persecuted Catholics in China, there are also clergy who have made astonishing compromises with the tyrants in Beijing who have been treated by Rome in a way that contrasts fascinatingly with Lefebvre.
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catharina
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Alex, you have made a very uncharitable accusation.
I’ve reported it as such. Please, restrain yourself.
We are not at a rodeo nor a public arena for sports fans.
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AlexV
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Thanks for proving my point.
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nsm
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I don’t know about anyone else, but I feel like this bickering is derailing the original post. I have seen this happen to countless threads. Why don’t we try to steer back towards responding to the OP.
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saint_rafael
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The argument is that wearing a headcovering is a pious devotion, but optional.
Actually, headcoverings is still on the books. Church Law requires women to wear headcoverings. The Canon Law on headcoverings is still valid and has not changed since the 1917 law.
The 1983 Code of Canon Law did not change Church law on women having to wear headcoverings. The Law has been IGNORED for forty years.
Headcoverings has been ignored like Friday Abstinence.
catholicintl.com/articles/Head%20Coverings%20for%20Women.pdf
Actually, headcoverings is still on the books. Church Law requires women to wear headcoverings. The Canon Law on headcoverings is still valid and has not changed since the 1917 law.
The 1983 Code of Canon Law did not change Church law on women having to wear headcoverings. The Law has been IGNORED for forty years.
Headcoverings has been ignored like Friday Abstinence.
catholicintl.com/articles/Head%20Coverings%20for%20Women.pdf
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Carjack1
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I considered wearing head coverings. I asked a woman maybe in her forties about it and she told me that the head coverings were for really old ladies. I was also told that I would be veiwed as mentally “challenged” for wearing one(I am in my late 20’s) 
She gathered other Catholic co-workers to tell me that the head coverings are not necessary and that those were the days of our grandmas. I am pretty new to the church and didn’t start my RCIA classes. So I am confused. My mother was no help in the situation and said I was being a fanatic or extremist. I think the decision is to be a personal one.
She gathered other Catholic co-workers to tell me that the head coverings are not necessary and that those were the days of our grandmas. I am pretty new to the church and didn’t start my RCIA classes. So I am confused. My mother was no help in the situation and said I was being a fanatic or extremist. I think the decision is to be a personal one.
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lizaanne
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Well - I’m 43, I’m not a grandma, not even a mom, and I cover my head at every single Mass and at adoration. And I’m far from some out of touch, fashion challenged fuddy-duddy. Shame on her for trying to poison you with such feminist and totally out of touch statements and assumptions about the Church and others.I considered wearing head coverings. I asked a woman maybe in her forties about it and she told me that the head coverings were for really old ladies. I was also told that I would be veiwed as mentally “challenged” for wearing one(I am in my late 20’s)
If you feel called to cover your head at Mass, then go right ahead. And if anyone says anything to you, tell them that you aren’t doing for them, you are doing it for God.
Wow - some folks can be so ugh!!* <<<can’t even give it words!!!
~Liza
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nsm
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I totally agree with lizaanne!!!I considered wearing head coverings. I asked a woman maybe in her forties about it and she told me that the head coverings were for really old ladies. I was also told that I would be veiwed as mentally “challenged” for wearing one(I am in my late 20’s)
I am 28 am a new Catholic (my hubby and I came into full communion this past Advent) and I have started wearing a head covering. I’m a grad student and have been at home with my hubby during the summer in Boston (and traveling in Europe) so I think most people just assume it is a cultural thing (in the Netherlands a gentleman that I asked about confession was quick to also tell me that they had a Spanish mass). I am planning on wearing a black silk scarf, bandanna-like when I go back to my home parish at in the college town I reside in during the school year. Don’t let people intimidate you, don’t let your newness intimadate you, remember you have a new Catholic sister doing the same thing (and I am sure a whole bunch more
), you have a right to wear it!
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maggiemay2u
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Summer is the perfect time in SoCal to begin hat wearing. A nice brimmed straw hat goes with virtually anything. Then by the time fall rolls around, a soft felt roll away might work well (fall by the way, (temperature wise, hits my area about mid-November!)) Come the chilly winds and rain, who would lift an eyebrow to a light wool scarf?
By the time spring comes, we’ve had nine months to acclimate.
By the time spring comes, we’ve had nine months to acclimate.
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catharina
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Such “clergy” are not involved in offering the Mass in hiding and in union with Rome. One cannot speak to their final end since they are still alive.
However, as far as is known, M. Lefebvre died “away” from union with Rome, as he wished.
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mammallama
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Wear the scarf,hat,mantilla,bandanna,beenie,turban, whatever …Don’t let those crabby so-n-so’s fill your brain with such drivel.I promise you this…if stocking caps became the absolute-must-have-fashion accessory then everybody and their dog would be wearing one…even to church.At which time we may need to re-visit this issue.I considered wearing head coverings. I asked a woman maybe in her forties about it and she told me that the head coverings were for really old ladies. I was also told that I would be viewed as mentally “challenged” for wearing one(I am in my late 20’s)
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