Shouldn't they be excommunicated?

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Since becoming Catholic, I have struggled with one thing.

Why does the Catholic Church allow some “catholic” members which have political power i.e Senate or House Rep and so forth continue to speak against the Church in matters of abortion?

Recent news Nancy Pelosi saying that she is an ardent catholic and studied the life issue very hard and even the Catholic Church cannot agree - sorry but wrong

If she does not withdraw her statement and say she was wrong then our Church is not the Church I believe it is, she should be excommunicated.

It will be interesting to see how Joe Biden another pick and choose catholic handles this.

I have no issue with a person supporting a woman’s choice to choose if that is their belief, I have a problem with our law which makes it legal for a woman to kill her baby, murder is killing of an innocent life and there is nothing more innocent than a new life within the womb of their mother and even in the cases of botched abortions to allow that baby to die.
 
Most likely she IS (and the rest of 'em are) actually excommunicated already.

Most people who wilfully go seriously against Catholic teaching as she has and they have incur automatic excommunication, which needs no other person to pronounce it for it to be so.
 
Ever read the parable of the Good Father (sometimes called the two brothers or the prodigal son) Luke 15:11-32 ?

That’s why. 🙂
 
LilyM said:
Most likely she IS (and the rest of 'em are) actually excommunicated already.

Most people who wilfully go seriously against Catholic teaching as she has and they have incur automatic excommunication, which needs no other person to pronounce it for it to be so.
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I understand the auto excommunication bit but I believe in this case and others there needs to be a formal excommunication.

If this does not occur then the Catholic Church endangers every single catholic because many will believe the way she does.

There is no doubt in my mind that she has been auto excommunicated along with others, but we as a Church continue to allow her and others to take communion, thats if they actually go to Mass.

I have only been in Mass with one political person and he did not take communion and he is a pro life republican
 
The youngest son is ungrateful, selfish and downright wrong! He is going to do himself and others a lot of damage. He is going to upset his brother and break his father’s heart, but does the good father stop him from going? Does he refuse his demands? The good father, like our heavenly father watches his son go, with a broken heart.

Free will my friend, that is why there is no greater rejoicing in heaven than for one lost soul who returns home.
 
FightingFat said:
The youngest son is ungrateful, selfish and downright wrong! He is going to do himself and others a lot of damage. He is going to upset his brother and break his father’s heart, but does the good father stop him from going? Does he refuse his demands? The good father, like our heavenly father watches his son go, with a broken heart.

Free will my friend, that is why there is no greater rejoicing in heaven than for one lost soul who returns home.
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okay if that is the case what are the grounds of a formal excommunication?
 
Reid said:
okay if that is the case what are the grounds of a formal excommunication?
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People excommunicate themselves- excommunication means you’ve put yourself outside the Churches ability to save you- you’re heading for disaster (as Lily said). A formal excommunication is just the Church letting you know!!
 
FightingFat said:
People excommunicate themselves- excommunication means you’ve put yourself outside the Churches ability to save you- you’re heading for disaster (as Lily said). A formal excommunication is just the Church letting you know!!
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Again I understand what auto excommunication is but you still have avoided my question.
 
So you’re saying that there should be strict control over every member of the Catholic Church and they should abide by the rules or be kicked out?
 
So just the ones who publicly lead others a-stray sort of thing?
 
Let’s slow down a bit and take a look at what excommunication is. From Newadvent.org

Excommunication (Latin ex, out of, and communio or communicatio, communion – exclusion from the communion), the principal and severest censure, is a medicinal, spiritual penalty that deprives the guilty Christian of all participation in the common blessings of ecclesiastical society. Being a penalty, it supposes guilt; and being the most serious penalty that the Church can inflict, it naturally supposes a very grave offence. It is also a medicinal rather than a vindictive penalty, being intended, not so much to punish the culprit, as to correct him and bring him back to the path of righteousness. It necessarily, therefore, contemplates the future, either to prevent the recurrence of certain culpable acts that have grievous external consequences, or, more especially, to induce the delinquent to satisfy the obligations incurred by his offence.

Notice that it is not a vindictive penalty but very much a last ditch effort to bring someone home. It is an act of love, tough love, when all else has failed.
 
StCsDavid said:
Let’s slow down a bit and take a look at what excommunication is. From Newadvent.org

Excommunication (Latin ex, out of, and communio or communicatio, communion – exclusion from the communion), the principal and severest censure, is a medicinal, spiritual penalty that deprives the guilty Christian of all participation in the common blessings of ecclesiastical society. Being a penalty, it supposes guilt; and being the most serious penalty that the Church can inflict, it naturally supposes a very grave offence. It is also a medicinal rather than a vindictive penalty, being intended, not so much to punish the culprit, as to correct him and bring him back to the path of righteousness. It necessarily, therefore, contemplates the future, either to prevent the recurrence of certain culpable acts that have grievous external consequences, or, more especially, to induce the delinquent to satisfy the obligations incurred by his offence.

Notice that it is not a vindictive penalty but very much a last ditch effort to bring someone home. It is an act of love, tough love, when all else has failed.
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Yet the Catholic Church allows Pelosi, and others to receive communion
 
Reid said:
In this thread I only pointed towards Nancy Pelosi

She is catholic by name only
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I don’t know how charitable it is to talk about one person and their morality like that. I mean, our Lord never condemned nor did he condone, he simply forgave.
 
FightingFat said:
I don’t know how charitable it is to talk about one person and their morality like that. I mean, our Lord never condemned nor did he condone, he simply forgave.
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Jesus Christ did forgive but only when the person had faith and or were sorry for their sins…

Nancy Pelosi said she is an ardent catholic , studied much on this topic and lied to the american ppl on what the Church says in regards to life.

Bishops have indeed spoken out on this and if she does not retract her comments then it would be wrong for the Catholic Church to not take the correct actions.

At last, it is very charitable to talk about Nancy here even in the case that I believe she should be formally ex communicated, like you said its called “tough love”
 
FightingFat said:
… our Lord never condemned nor did he condone, he simply forgave.
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Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but our Lord forgave repentant sinners. Those who did not repent, well, that is a different matter altogether, yes?
 
Can you please elaborate a bit on this statement that you made.

Thanks:)

“I** have no issue with a person supporting a woman’s choice to choose if that is their belief.”**
 
Sirach said:
Can you please elaborate a bit on this statement that you made.

Thanks:)

“I** have no issue with a person supporting a woman’s choice to choose if that is their belief.”**
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It is not clear to me who you are addressing and who this request is directed toward, but I will answer.

Jesus did eat and travel and interact with sinners all the time, but he also said “Go and sin no more.” We are all sinners, of course. Some of us are repentant sinners. Some are not. Do you think those who do not repent please God? Those who please God and are repentant sinners receive mercy, eternal life and salvation. In contrast, unrepentant sinners receive death and enduring torment in hell.
 
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