Shroud of Turin: fake once again?

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Hello everybody. It seems that a new research proved the blood is fake.


Moreover, I would be very interested if anyone has any information on Bishops Pierre D’Arcis and Henri of Poitiers, who (respectively?) discovered the forgery before the year 1400 and forbade its veneration after the artist’s confession.

If you read French: https://www.jschweitzer.fr/la-religion/les-evêques-de-troyes/henri-de-poitiers/

The Pope still permitted that the Shroud be venerated, however with the mention that it isn’t genuine. [here, I might have put another French source].

But nothing seems definitive. As I understand, this last reasearch wasn’t on the nature of the blood itself.
 
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Sadly, there will always be those who cast doubt. Saint Thomas had to put his put his finger in our Lord’s side before he believed Jesus had risen. It’s just human nature, I guess.
 
Well, sure. It’s not as if the authenticity of the Shroud of Turin is something we’re required to believe.
 
MarcoPG said:
It seems that a new research proved the blood is fake
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That’s not what the study said. The study focused on the bloodstain pattern, not the blood itself. It stated that the bloodstain pattern was unrealistic, but made no comment on whether the blood was real.
 
The articles I have read - in Italian - quote the researchers saying since their position and path are unlikely, they are painted,bit so it seems,bad they look like brushed on a canvas.

It seems that the old arguments come back over and over
 
Your comment is correct. This is a Devotion not Dogma or Doctrine. We are not required to accept it. My point was skeptics always seek a loophole when it comes to faith.
 
But in this case, isn’t that appropriate? Our faith is not based on the Shroud of Turin, and there could very well come a time when it is proved to be an artistic representation and nothing more. Shouldn’t we have a healthy skepticism until we know more? I think that’s why the Church takes so long to determine that apparitions are worthy of devotion.
 
Based on blood Patterns? No scientific testing.

What a pseudo science coffee table assessment.

In other words what a load of rubbish
 
That is the choice one makes with a Devotion. The Rosary is a Devotion as well, and there is no requirement to say the Rosary., the Liturgy of the Hours, Stations of the Cross, Divine Mercy Chaplet, or participate in Eucharistic Adoration. A Devotion may be highly encouraged by the church as it it believed to enhance our faith. They are felt to be a blessing we are free to choose. Specifically regarding the Shroud, I sometimes think that science oftentimes time takes more of a position of disproving it instead of substansiating it’s authenticity. Are they objective? I don’t know. Perhaps my bias but in this instance the headline is s little misleading as it is more about the pattern the blood flows in a given position of the body than the blood itself.
 
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No one - at least not I - said our Faith is based on any object, artifact or what have you. I am simply asking more information about it. No one on the Bishops I mentioned? Thank you
 
Thank you for your reply, but I don’t see how this applies to the Shroud. Would you explain?
 
The argument against the authenticity seems to be some proclaimed expert in blood patterns say the patterns are unrealistic. I’m saying the whole blood pattern discipline is a fraud. In North Carolina the state presented a so called expert on blood patterns. He was just making things up and as a result many people went to prison.
 
MarcoPG said:
Hello everybody. It seems that a new research proved the blood is fake.

Moreover, I would be very interested if anyone has any information on Bishops Pierre D’Arcis and Henri of Poitiers, who (respectively?) discovered the forgery before the year 1400 and forbade its veneration after the artist’s confession.
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If you’re looking for information on these Bishops, or the history of the shroud, or historical veneration of the shroud, why don’t you just do a Google search? Why ask us for information?

Or were you just looking for an argument?

Personally, the authenticity of the shroud has absolutely nothing to do with my faith in Christ, and I don’t care what one believes about it.
 
So even basic physics saying blood cannot go up because of gravity is a fraud? Certainly not. That is why I would be more cautious.
 
Because I did a Google search (as you can see from my links) but I would like to have more information (links to documents and so on).
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Or were you just looking for an argument?
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Why do you ask?
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Personally, the authenticity of the shroud has absolutely nothing to do with my faith in Christ, and I don’t care what one believes about it.
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This is a false problem repeated by many posts. No one is doubting the Faith because of this research on the Shroud.
 
I am, here. If anyone can supply the documents where it is shown that Pierre D’arcy and/or Henri of Poitiers were against its veneration, I (we?) would have some insight on how it was seen some centuries ago. Exactly what I cannot find anywhere, but i might be that someone knows how to access these infos.
 
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