Sign of Peace at EWTN

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nice2000 said:
For as long as I have remembered attended my first mass, I enjoyed saying to my neighbor (person standing next to me in mass) “Peace Be With You”. Please do not take this away.
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But this is the problem: When people go beyond saying “Peace be with you” to their neighbors so that the moment takes more like 5 solid minutes, it’s a distraction.:mad:

I am so glad you came into the Church.🙂

As a Cradle Catholic, I recall visiting Church (we didn’t go regularly), and the Sign of Peace was something we did with those around us. Today, when it’s time for the Sign of Peace, I see people going up one side of the Church, down the other, sharing grocery lists, making plans for lunch/dinner and then some. When it’s time for the “Lamb of God”, there is continued conversation, which bleeds over nearly to the time for us to kneel for Communion. 😦

I agree that the Sign of Peace is a beautiful action and it does help us to prepare for the Sacrament of Eucharist, but the sad thing is that PEOPLE have taken away that beauty. The priest can address it, but when it’s during the Mass and the ravelry goes on, how can he address that during that time? Since it’s a problem, because it’s been/being abused, I think it may serve us all better to remove the moment from the Mass.😊
 
Apryl said:
But this is the problem: When people go beyond saying “Peace be with you” to their neighbors so that the moment takes more like 5 solid minutes, it’s a distraction.:mad:

I am so glad you came into the Church.🙂

As a Cradle Catholic, I recall visiting Church (we didn’t go regularly), and the Sign of Peace was something we did with those around us. Today, when it’s time for the Sign of Peace, I see people going up one side of the Church, down the other, sharing grocery lists, making plans for lunch/dinner and then some. When it’s time for the “Lamb of God”, there is continued conversation, which bleeds over nearly to the time for us to kneel for Communion. 😦

I agree that the Sign of Peace is a beautiful action and it does help us to prepare for the Sacrament of Eucharist, but the sad thing is that PEOPLE have taken away that beauty. The priest can address it, but when it’s during the Mass and the ravelry goes on, how can he address that during that time? Since it’s a problem, because it’s been/being abused, I think it may serve us all better to remove the moment from the Mass.😊
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I never seen anyone take 5 minutes to say “Peace Be With You”. Telling someone Peace Be With You is no distraction. I just counted. It takes two seconds, three seconds at the most. 🙂
 
I think we should have a clearly defined Sign of Peace rubric much like the Chaldeans. This would cause less confussion, less commotion and would not distrub the flow of the Mass.
 
nice2000 said:
I never seen anyone take 5 minutes to say “Peace Be With You”. Telling someone Peace Be With You is no distraction. I just counted. It takes two seconds, three seconds at the most. 🙂
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Again… 😊

This is the point

It DOES just take two seconds, three at the most to say to those near you, ‘Peace be with you’… but some people do not just say it to those near them. They try to use that time (and of course, more) to approach those all over the church, and use the time for chatter and conversation. :mad:

Take a moment and read the thread Maybe someone else has said it more clearly. 🤷
 
ByzCath said:
Its not in the EF Mass at all.
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Well, it is in the Traditional Latin Mass, but between the priest and deacon (and I think perhaps sub-deacon), and not amongst the laity. Having the laity/congregation do it is an innovation to the Latin Rite that was introduced with the Novus Ordo.
 
bayernfan said:
Well, it is in the Traditional Latin Mass, but between the priest and deacon (and I think perhaps sub-deacon), and not amongst the laity. Having the laity/congregation do it is an innovation to the Latin Rite that was introduced with the Novus Ordo.
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But its been done in the Eastern Rite in the past. So its not an “innovation”. I don’t know the history of the Roman Rite pre-Tridentine, its quite possible that it was there in the past.
 
Well, even though I don’t care for it, since tomorrow is Christmas, I’m going to shake hands with a smile. Maybe on Easter too…
 
nice2000 said:
Heeeey. I like the “Sign of Peace”. The “Sign of Peace” is one of the many things that drew me to the Catholic faith. I think we should keep it in the mass. This is my personal opinion**…“Keeping tradition is the key to keeping the faith**”. For as long as I have remembered attended my first mass, I enjoyed saying to my neighbor (person standing next to me in mass) “Peace Be With You”. ** Please do not take this away**.
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Interesting statement. Please do not take it away. Do you feel the same way about the thousands of us who said the same thing after Vatican II when the Mass we knew was stripped away from us, taken away with virtually no explanation at all? We sure didn’t want it taken away, but it was nonetheless.

You also say keeping tradition is the key to keeping the faith.:confused: We have said that same thing for fifty years and very few people have paid any attention to us. We faced hostility at just about every turn. In fact tradition was seen as an impediment to the implementation of the new era, the new springtime as it were… It is curious that tradition can be used as justification for a practice that didn’t even exist fifty years ago except in High Masses, and then only among the Clergy. I would think the scrapping of the Traditional Rite wholscale was much more hurtful and offensive.

Just an opinion.
 
ConstantineTG said:
But its been done in the Eastern Rite in the past. So its not an “innovation”. I don’t know the history of the Roman Rite pre-Tridentine, its quite possible that it was there in the past.
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The Eastern Rite is NOT the Latin Rite. Hence, it is an innovation in the Latin Rite, which is what I said.
 
TRAD1936 said:
Interesting statement. Please do not take it away. Do you feel the same way about the thousands of us who said the same thing after Vatican II when the Mass we knew was stripped away from us, taken away with virtually no explanation at all? We sure didn’t want it taken away, but it was nonetheless.

You also say keeping tradition is the key to keeping the faith.:confused: We have said that same thing for fifty years and very few people have paid any attention to us. We faced hostility at just about every turn. In fact tradition was seen as an impediment to the implementation of the new era, the new springtime as it were… It is curious that tradition can be used as justification for a practice that didn’t even exist fifty years ago except in High Masses, and then only among the Clergy. I would think the scrapping of the Traditional Rite wholscale was much more hurtful and offensive.

Just an opinion.
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This.
 
bayernfan said:
The Eastern Rite is NOT the Latin Rite. Hence, it is an innovation in the Latin Rite, which is what I said.
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a. Innovation means pulled out of thin air. Since its being done somewhere within the Church then its not an innovation.
b. As I mentioned I am unfamiliar with the pre-Tridentine history of the Roman Rite. If there was a sign of peace done before, then again it is not an innovation.
 
ConstantineTG said:
a. Innovation means pulled out of thin air. Since its being done somewhere within the Church then its not an innovation.
b. As I mentioned I am unfamiliar with the pre-Tridentine history of the Roman Rite. If there was a sign of peace done before, then again it is not an innovation.
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They took it from a Rite foreign to the Latin Rite, and stuck it in there. I don’t see how in the WORLD that isn’t an innovation.
 
TRAD1936 said:
Interesting statement. Please do not take it away. Do you feel the same way about the thousands of us who said the same thing after Vatican II when the Mass we knew was stripped away from us, taken away with virtually no explanation at all? We sure didn’t want it taken away, but it was nonetheless.

You also say keeping tradition is the key to keeping the faith.:confused: We have said that same thing for fifty years and very few people have paid any attention to us. We faced hostility at just about every turn. In fact tradition was seen as an impediment to the implementation of the new era, the new springtime as it were… It is curious that tradition can be used as justification for a practice that didn’t even exist fifty years ago except in High Masses, and then only among the Clergy. I would think the scrapping of the Traditional Rite wholscale was much more hurtful and offensive.

Just an opinion.
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There is nothing wrong with keeping tradition. I have elderly family members who have been Catholic all their lives (before Vatican II). For as long as they have known they have been saying “Peace be with you”. I agree, Vatican II was/is a disaster. We should have stayed with Vatican I.
 
bayernfan said:
They took it from a Rite foreign to the Latin Rite, and stuck it in there. I don’t see how in the WORLD that isn’t an innovation.
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Notice my point B. Prove first that the Sign of Peace did not ever in the 2000 year history of the Church exist in the Roman Rite.

Also, just because its in another Rite doesn’t mean its an innovation. If its being done within the Catholic Church, then it is part of the Catholic Church. Rites doesn’t mean we don’t do what the other does.
 
I´ve been to Mass many times, when the sign of peace was really necessary for me. Especially with my wife. God bless:thumbsup:👍👍
 
ConstantineTG said:
Notice my point B. Prove first that the Sign of Peace did not ever in the 2000 year history of the Church exist in the Roman Rite.

Also, just because its in another Rite doesn’t mean its an innovation. If its being done within the Catholic Church, then it is part of the Catholic Church. Rites doesn’t mean we don’t do what the other does.
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It was not in the Traditional Latin Mass - it dates back for at least 500 years. If it DID exist, bringing it back was antiquarianism, something condemned by a pope in the early 1900s.

Also, if it DID exist, then it was the Roman peace, nothing at all like the hand-shaking back-slapping that goes on nowadays.

As to your Rites don’t mean we don’t do what others do - talk with an Easterner about Latinizing their liturgy. I’ll betcha any money they’ll be upset about it.
 
My understanding is that the modern sign of peace-giving is an offshoot of the kiss of peace given in the TLM by the Priest to the Deacon (if present). The problem that many parishes recognise is that, by turning the kiss of peace into a giant round of congregational hand-shaking, it can become a huge distraction that disrupts the flow of the Canon. I have heard one Priest in particular object to the sign of peace being used during Mass because he notices that the people will use it as an excuse to chat about golf scores or other unrelated nonsense when the focus should be fixed on the altar for the Conscration and not on chatting with our neighbours. This can be exacerbated if people start leaving their seats and running around the pews to hug friends, etc, or, in some cases, where the Priest leaves the Altar to give the sign of peace to the parishioners, thereby instilling the idea that this is somehow a bit, social event.

So perhaps the omission in the EWTN Mass may be linked with providing a more reverent atmosphere during the Canon.
 
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