Sikhs won’t give up daggers for U.S. meeting with Pope

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“Sikh leaders have been excluded from an upcoming interfaith meeting with Pope Benedict XVI during his visit to the United States because their ceremonial daggers were forbidden by the Secret Service, the Washington Times reports.”

Aww, I say let 'em keep them on. Did I mention that in that case the pope should be allowed to carry his ceremonial “Pope 'gat”?:

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A Desert Eagle is a lot of gun for an 80-year old. I would think he would do a James Bond .380 with a spring device in the sleeve of his robe for quick access.

BLAM!

“Meeting ahhjourned.” 😃
 
I have no problem with Sikhs. The ones I have know have been very friendly. I trust them.

Now if I made one angry, watch out.
 
I don’t think anyone should fear that a Sikh will kill the pope with a ceremonial knife. They’re probably not even sharpened. A Sikh security guard did kill an Indian PM (Ms. Ghandhi) some years back, but he shot her, he didn’t stab her. Let them keep there ceremonial knives and attend the session. Roanoker
 
Anyone can dress up like a Sikh :ehh: !!
I’m all for the Secret Service and for the rules of this meeting!
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peregrinus_WA said:
I have no problem with Sikhs. The ones I have know have been very friendly. I trust them.

Now if I made one angry, watch out.
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There was that whole airliner thing a few years back. I’m sure this has nothing to do with Sikhism altogether, which AFAIK is a recently modern hodgepodge of religions.
 
Let His Holiness bring along a passel of those Swiss Guards with the honkin’ big halberds!

“That’s not a knoife…THAT’S a knoife!”😃
 
Those Sikh kirpans are meant to be used to:

“protect the weak from tyranny and slavery, to maintain a state of harmony and security, to allow for the free development of trade, craftsmanship, arts & literature and to safeguard and protect the universal right of all beings to live their lives in a peaceful, stable and sheltered environment.”

The more the merrier, I say.
 
homoreus said:
Those Sikh kirpans are meant to be used to:

“protect the weak from tyranny and slavery, to maintain a state of harmony and security, to allow for the free development of trade, craftsmanship, arts & literature and to safeguard and protect the universal right of all beings to live their lives in a peaceful, stable and sheltered environment.”

The more the merrier, I say.
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Hear hear!

ਜੋ ਬੋਲੇ ਸੋ ਨਿਹਾਲ ਸਿਤ ਸ਼੍ਰੀ ਅਕਾਲ
Jo bole so nihāl, sati śrī akāla
“He that says God is Truth, shall be forever happy.”
–Sikh motto (and battlecry). Incidentally I think akāla means literally “timelessly”.

Now if they were Gorkhas (one of the other “warlike tribes” the English used as soldiers during the Raj), there might be cause for concern.

See, they worship Kali, and can’t sheathe their knives after drawing them without shedding blood (their own if nobody else’s), lest their blades be cursed and become “thirsty.”
 
Hastrman said:
Hear hear!

ਜੋ ਬੋਲੇ ਸੋ ਨਿਹਾਲ ਸਿਤ ਸ਼੍ਰੀ ਅਕਾਲ
Jo bole so nihāl, sati śrī akāla
“He that says God is Truth, shall be forever happy.”
–Sikh motto (and battlecry). Incidentally I think akāla means literally “timelessly”.

Now if they were Gorkhas (one of the other “warlike tribes” the English used as soldiers during the Raj), there might be cause for concern.

See, they worship Kali, and can’t sheathe their knives after drawing them without shedding blood (their own if nobody else’s), lest their blades be cursed and become “thirsty.”
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I wouldn’t worry about Gorkhas, either. A Gorkha once told me a story of how they got into the British Army. Back in the early 1800s during the Gurkha Rebellion, a small group of British officers, armed only with sabres, were surrounded by a much larger and well-armed group of Gurkhas. The Gurkhas ordered the Brits to surrender, and they would be spared. The leading officer apparently drew his sabre, said something to the effect of “Not bloody likely”, and prepared to order a (suicidal) charge. The Gurkhas were mightily impressed by such a display of bravery/craziness, and brokered a truce.

I wouldn’t worry about a background-checked Sikh. If I were the Holy Father, I’d be worried more about running into one of those uber-sedevacantist types deciding to take out the “antipope” to “save the Church.”
 
homoreus said:
Those Sikh kirpans are meant to be used to:

“protect the weak from tyranny and slavery, to maintain a state of harmony and security, to allow for the free development of trade, craftsmanship, arts & literature and to safeguard and protect the universal right of all beings to live their lives in a peaceful, stable and sheltered environment.”
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And to a Sikh who has gone through the Amrit ceremony it is required attire, one of the five Ks: Kesh (remain unshaven), Kangha (a special comb) Kachera (particular undergarments) Kara (a steel bracelet) and, as mentioned before, a Kirpan. Along with this the wearing of a dastar (turban) is mandatory amongst serious Sikhs.

Did nobody notice during the funeral of His Holiness Pope John Paul the Sikh representative with a full length sword?
 
I’m surprised that the Secret Service aren’t worried that some Catholics might be carrying Roman “missiles”!😃

Weren’t these the same guys who thought Canada was putting surveillance/listening devices in our quarters?:rolleyes:
 
It’s too bad that the Sikhs won’t give up their daggers in order to meet with the pope. Safety first is what I always say.
 
I can just picture the body search…“Sikh and ye shall find.”

Sorry. Back in my hole now.

DaveBj
 
Holly3278 said:
It’s too bad that the Sikhs won’t give up their daggers in order to meet with the pope. Safety first is what I always say.
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Its too bad that it still hasn’t been recognised that these kirpan are symbolic of the Sikhs defense of the religious rights of all. His Holiness is in no danger.
 
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