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term: Pastoral Planning
translation: We’re going to combine parishes in order to better use our resourses and make a stronger faith community.

term: combine
translation: We’re closing your church and you will become members of the church we want to keep open.
 
Parish Clustering: meaning that 2 out of 4 parishes in an area need to be closed and the 4 must decide which 2 are shutting down.
 
Parish Clustering: meaning that 2 out of 4 parishes in an area need to be closed and the 4 must decide which 2 are shutting down.
I feel for you. This is a difficult issue right now around here. Pray for wisdom and peace. I do hope that you realize how necessary this process is, even if it is, unfortunately, very hurtful.
 
I feel for you. This is a difficult issue right now around here. Pray for wisdom and peace. I do hope that you realize how necessary this process is, even if it is, unfortunately, very hurtful.
My parish is definitely staying open, since we have a large congregation and the second largest school. The parish I was baptised, received First Communion and Confirmation in closed last fall. It was in another of those “Parish Clusters”.
 
Apparently, there are some people who refuse to use the word “Mass” or ackowledge it as the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. They prefer to use the word “liturgy” instead.
 
Apparently, there are some people who refuse to use the word “Mass” or ackowledge it as the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. They prefer to use the word “liturgy” instead.
Hi Joya,
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       I am not one of those to refuse to say Mass. In fact I use both terms. Admittedly, I might favor liturgy a little bit more.
Definitions Mass and liturgy.
Mass - Ite missa est - The Mass is ended (Dismissal)
Seems like why should the Mass be named for an ending.
When it’s not an end, but a beginning. A renewal.

Liturgy - Leitourgia (Greek)- Public worship or the work of the people. Jesus said, " The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath. That is why the Son of Man is lord even of the sabbath." Mark 2:27-28
 
“Director of Religious Education (DRE)” – isn’t the true DRE of any parish really the pastor? He has the final responsibility of the religious education of all of the people in his parish (I’m not saying that he doesn’t need qualified people to help him, I just think the DRE title as typically used is misleading)
The Director of Religious Education is a valid administrative position. It is not the same as Pastor.

In fact, religious education is not the responsibility of the Pastor, but of the parents.

The parish provides the support system to the family.

What has happened is many parishes is that there are Directors of Religious Education who do not have the academic credentials, because of a shortage of such professionals. Under normal circumstances, the Director of Religious Education is a gradute of a school of theology with a Master of Arts in Religoius Education (M.A.) or a Master of Religious Education (M.R.E.).

The study of religious education is not part of the formation of a priest or deacon. In their curriculum there is a one semester course on catechetics or catechesis depending on the seminary. It is a broad course on the goals of religious education. It does not include pedagogy, spirituality for children, methodology, formaton of parents and sponsors (other than to mention that they must be informed and formed), nor does it train clerics on scope and sequence of theology at the appropriate level for children and adolescents.

This is why most priests and deacons teach RCIA or other adult forms of catechesis, such as marriage preparation. They have the theology, but do not have the training on how to deliver it to children and youth using a methodology that is consistent with the way children of today learn.

Many clerics will say, “I don’t know how to teach theology to kids.”

Because there is a shortage of these trained professionals, many parishes will use professional teachers as Directors of Religious Education and hand them text books to guide them on the content.

JR 🙂
 
It was just plain Catechism when I was growing up. Or was that something else??🤷
It is also important to remember that many of these terms are only used by the English and Americans.

Most countries have never heard of CCD or called religious education Catechism Class. The common term around the world is Catechetics. If you go to a Spanish, French, German or Portuguese speaking country they say that they are going to the catechesis class.

CCD means Confraternaty of Christian Doctrine which was responsible for oversight of religious education. How Americans came to call the education process by the name of the organization is unkown to me. Does anyone know?

The catechism is the book that is used in catechesis. The name comes from the ancient Greek term catechumens, those who were preparing to enter the Church.

No all who study the faith are preparing to enter the Church. Some are already members of the Church and others study it as an academic subject. That’s why it is called Religious Education or Education in the Faith. Those who study it at the graduate level of university study Theology which is more systematic and has its own areas of specialization. Catechesis is one of those areas.

It is incorrect to assume that every cleric has a degree in Catehesis. They must have a Master’s Degree or its equivalent in Theology, but the seminarian is free to choose an area of theology in which to major, just like a physician chooses an area of medicine. There is a core curriculum, just like medicine and law and there is the major that the student chooses.

We often assume that a deacon, priest or bishop knows everything in theology. This is not the case. Some clerics will use the initials after their name, to let the reader know what they specialize in.

STD = Sacred Theology Doctorate, but can be one of many areas of theology

MA or M. Div = Master’s degree in one of many areas

I recently met a priest who majored in Canon Law. He was ordained with a Licentiate in Canon Law, not a Master’s of Theology.

The problem is that in the USA we have strayed away from much of the language that other Catholics use in other countries. There has been an effort to unify the Catholic terms, so that everyone knows what we’re speaking about. Some of these terms are foreign to Americans.

JR 🙂
 
“Pastoral leader” --pardon if this has been posted before. While searching for the priest that married us, my husband and i found him at a church where, on the staff page, he was listed as “Chaplain” below the “Pastoral Leader”—a nun, apparently. :confused:
There are situations where there is no pastor, for whatever reason. However, there is a priest on the team or staff. His superior would be a Pastoral Leader or Director of Pastoral Care and the preist or deacon is properly called a chaplain. To have a parish it must be canonically erected. If it is not conanically erected, it is a faith community, unless it’s a retreat house, school, college, hospital, nursing home or other type of institution where pastoral care is provided and sacraments are celebrated.

My parish is administered by a religious community of Brothers. Two of the Brothers are priests. However, their community tradition is to call all of their members either Brother in English or Friar in latin. On the parish bulletin the Superior’s name is above the Pastor’s name, even though the Superior is not ordained. He is still the Superior and according the the rule of the Order, he is the boss. Though I have to clarify that the Superior does not interfere with any parish affairs that pertain to the pastor. He only assigns the priests and governs their daily life, not the parish. For example, they have to ask for permission to miss community recreation to attend a parish meeting. But what is decided at the parish meeting is completely under the responsibility of the Pastor, not the Superior. The only time that I have seen the priests excuse themselves from parish functions is when there are community functions that overrule parish functions, such as a community meeting, which by law they must attend or a special celebration of the community or the community retreat.

But this is how they list themselves

Brother X: Religious Superior
Brother Y: Pastor

According the Constitutions of their Order they must use the terms clerical-brother and non-clerical-brother.

But you don’t know who is ordained unless you ask. They wear Roman collars or habits.

At the university that the Dominicans run nearby. The Director of Pastoral Care is a Lay Man and the Priest is the chaplain.

Those are just organizational names that take nothing away from the Church or the priesthood.

JR 🙂
 
How about Religious Education Congress? :rolleyes:
I’ve never heard of that one. Is it like a convention of religious educators?

I know that in the Romance languages the word “convention” is rarely used. They use “congress” more than they do convention. Could that be a literal translation from another language? Got me …🤷
 
I’ve never heard of that one. Is it like a convention of religious educators?

I know that in the Romance languages the word “convention” is rarely used. They use “congress” more than they do convention. Could that be a literal translation from another language? Got me …🤷
It’s a convention.
 
Hey that was fun 😛

It’s like jeopardy. I got the question right. LOL

It’s a translation from one of the Eurpean languages, probably from Spanish.

In Spanish and Italian it would be a congress not a convention.

Convention in Romance languages means tradition.
 
Hey that was fun 😛

It’s like jeopardy. I got the question right. LOL

It’s a translation from one of the Eurpean languages, probably from Spanish.

In Spanish and Italian it would be a congress not a convention.

Convention in Romance languages means tradition.
Unless it’s French and followed by the word ‘collective’ in which case it’s a union contract.

But the word ‘congress’ as in ‘Eucharistic Congress’ means a gathering, yes?
 
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  It's been my experience that Eucharistic Ministers are used in large parishes where people don't want to have to "wait" for Communion.  I suppose you could say this is a shame, and really, it is.  But people are so conditioned outside of Mass to getting what they want in a timely manner, that getting 500 people to wait in line for two people to distribute Communion will not go over well.  (The two people being a priest and a deacon like at my church.)  The only answer to this problem is more priests and/or deacons, but we all know that recruiting religious personnel is a problem in and of itself.
My priest said that it is okay to have Eucharistic Ministers if they are commissioned (I think that’s the word.) by the parish priest himself. And this commission has to be renewed every so often. You have to wonder how many of these “progressive” churches bother with that requirement.

Tracy
 
I’ve never heard of that one. Is it like a convention of religious educators?

I know that in the Romance languages the word “convention” is rarely used. They use “congress” more than they do convention. Could that be a literal translation from another language? Got me …🤷
It’s held annually in Los Angeles.

Let’s just say it would be wise to avoid it.
 
Unless it’s French and followed by the word ‘collective’ in which case it’s a union contract.

But the word ‘congress’ as in ‘Eucharistic Congress’ means a gathering, yes?
Congress comes from the verb to congregate or to gather

Convention comes from the verb to convene or to call together

I guess if Americans were to be sticklers for proper English, it would be a Congress, because it’s a gathering, not really a response to a call or convention.

The Founding Fathers used it correctly when they called the two houses of the legislature the Congress. It is a congregation or gathering of the representatives

Many of these terms that seem silly to us are not so silly. The sound silly to us because we are Americans and until the arrival of the Asians and the Hispanics, we rarely used any other language except English. But our English is not standard English. It’s American English. So many of these terms that the Church uses come from Standard English or from other languages where they were first used and then translated into English. So it sounds weird to us.

For example, someone said that the presider sounded strange or silly, instead of priest. But the word presider has been in Catholic jargon for centuries. Because in monasteries the person who presides at a service, except the mass, can be a priest, brother, sister or nun.

For example, a deacon can preside over the marriage liturgy. It would be incorrect to call him the celebrant, because the minister does not do the marrying. The couple does the marrying. The minister is the Church’s witness. What else do we call him? In mission lands often lay people replace priests and deacons at weddings, usually catechists. Because the couple marries themselves through the vows and the consummation of the marriage, you don’t need an ordained minister. It is preferable, but canon law allows for another Catholic to witness the marriage, the same with baptism. That’s how the term presider slipped out of the monastery into the parish.

The same with the term Associate Pastor vs. Assistant Pastor. They are not the same. Legally they are different. An Associate Pastor has certain legal rights in the Church that an Assistant Pastor does not have. We did not have Associate Pastors in the USA until after Vatican II, because we are considered a young church. We didn’t need them. Now we do.

One term that no one mentioned which has been incorrectly used in the USA for hundreds of years, NUN.

There are Sisters and there are Nuns and they’re not the same.

Sister can be a title in front of a woman religious: Sister Mary

Bust Sister Mary can be either a Sister or a Nun.

Most are Sisters.

Nuns live in cloisters and do not perform any ministry in the Church. They never leave their cloister. They also take different vows. They take solemn vows and they belong to religious orders.

Sisters live in convents, perform all kinds of apostolic ministries from teaching to gardening. They can live outside the convent. They do not take solemn vows. They take simple vows and they do not belong to religious orders. They belong to Congregations.

There is a BIG difference between an order and a congregation. Those are two other words that we use incorrectly.

Most religious belong to congregations, not to religious orders. Religious orders have certain rights and obligations that congregations do not have.

While some words sound silly to us. Our use of some words sound silly to Canon Lawyers, bishops and theologians.

JR 🙂
 
CCD means Confraternaty of Christian Doctrine which was responsible for oversight of religious education.

JR 🙂
I was told that CCD stands for Catholic Christian Doctrine. This is the class for kids before Confirmation in high school. Adult converts take RCIA, or Rite of Christian Initiation for Adults. None of this is “silly”, just what I’ve been told.

Tracy
 
I was told that CCD stands for Catholic Christian Doctrine. This is the class for kids before Confirmation in high school. Adult converts take RCIA, or Rite of Christian Initiation for Adults. None of this is “silly”, just what I’ve been told.

Tracy
No, it was the Confraternity of Christian Doctrince. They were responsible for religious education in the Church, established in the Diocese of Rome in 1562 and spread around the world.

newadvent.org/cathen/03711b.htm

Hope this citation helps.

JR 🙂
 
What is the big deal about using the word congress? I found this on a different thread. thedivinemercy.org/

Most of the terms I’ve read through out this thread, I don’t find silly or meaningless. It seems to be a very slanted thread, only for those who dislike anything that came after 1960. 🤷 😛
 
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