Silly, meaningless, inaccurate, overused, dumbed-down, erroneous, or self-contradictory buzzwords and phrases

[Phemie]

Hello, Everybody

  It's been my experience that Eucharistic Ministers are used in large parishes where people don't want to have to "wait" for Communion.  I suppose you could say this is a shame, and really, it is.  But people are so conditioned outside of Mass to getting what they want in a timely manner, that getting 500 people to wait in line for two people to distribute Communion will not go over well.  (The two people being a priest and a deacon like at my church.)  The only answer to this problem is more priests and/or deacons, but we all know that recruiting religious personnel is a problem in and of itself.

My priest said that it is okay to have Eucharistic Ministers if they are commissioned (I think that’s the word.) by the parish priest himself. And this commission has to be renewed every so often. You have to wonder how many of these “progressive” churches bother with that requirement.

Tracy

It’s just that Eucharistic Minister is the wrong term for the laity. Only priests & bishops can be Eucharistic Ministers. They, along with deacons, are also ordinary ministers of Communion. The lay people who distribute Communion are properly called ‘Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion’.

 

[LRThunder]

What is the big deal about using the word congress? I found this on a different thread. thedivinemercy.org/

Most of the terms I’ve read through out this thread, I don’t find silly or meaningless. It seems to be a very slanted thread, only for those who dislike anything that came after 1960.

What’s wrong with congress?

Consider this:

Con is the opposite of pro…therefore, is congress the opposite of progress?

 

[JReducation]

What’s wrong with congress?

Consider this:

Con is the opposite of pro…therefore, is congress the opposite of progress?

They’re two different words. c o n in congress is not a prefix.

 

[Julianna]

What is the big deal about using the word congress? I found this on a different thread. thedivinemercy.org/

Most of the terms I’ve read through out this thread, I don’t find silly or meaningless. It seems to be a very slanted thread, only for those who dislike anything that came after 1960.

I think you are on to something there. It seems there is nothing to look forward to…if we keep looking back. It is much easier for some folks to have a rigid “tell me what to do” type life…

What I find meaningless, overused, silly and innacurate are the “scare tactics” and “fear mongering” slant. It like, “if I have made you scared enough…then you will be more obiediant to the faith”. I don’t recall Jesus scaring the cr*p of out people to make them follow Him.

 

[jmcrae]

OTOH, I’d never heard of CCD until I started coming to these boards. In fact, although I did look it up once, and I now know that it refers to religious education, the initials still don’t bring words to my mind.

Officially, “Confraternity for Christian Doctrine.”

Unofficially - “Cut, Colour, and Draw.”

 

[kristie_m]

They’re two different words. c o n in congress is not a prefix.

pretty sure that was a joke JR

 

[Lepanto]

Hi Joya,

       I am not one of those to refuse to say Mass. In fact I use both terms. Admittedly, I might favor liturgy a little bit more.

Definitions Mass and liturgy.
Mass - Ite missa est - The Mass is ended (Dismissal)
Seems like why should the Mass be named for an ending.
When it’s not an end, but a beginning. A renewal.

Liturgy - Leitourgia (Greek)- Public worship or the work of the people. Jesus said, " The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath. That is why the Son of Man is lord even of the sabbath." Mark 2:27-28

Please note that liturgy encompasses much more than the Mass. The Mass is only one form of liturgy. Liturgy is defined as any ritual regulated by Church norms and documents. The blessing of rosary beads is liturgy (since the priest would use a specified ritual), for example, whereas how the rosary is prayed is not (since it is not regulated).

 

[LRThunder]

They’re two different words. c o n in congress is not a prefix.

It was a joke. Hence the

 

[ac_claire]

I’d like to add one more phrase: “we are a Resurrection People”.
I don’t know if it’s silly or erroneous, but all of a sudden I’m hearing it everywhere (Easter season, I know), but I never know exactly what is meant by it. Apparently the meaning differs from context to context. I guess I’m just turned off by anything that sounds like a buzzword.

I was told that CCD stands for Catholic Christian Doctrine. This is the class for kids before Confirmation in high school. Adult converts take RCIA, or Rite of Christian Initiation for Adults. None of this is “silly”, just what I’ve been told.

I went to CCD every Wednesday growing up, and it was more of a catechism/religion class. Confirmation class was a seperate thing.

 

[JReducation]

Please note that liturgy encompasses much more than the Mass. The Mass is only one form of liturgy. Liturgy is defined as any ritual regulated by Church norms and documents. The blessing of rosary beads is liturgy (since the priest would use a specified ritual), for example, whereas how the rosary is prayed is not (since it is not regulated).

The Catholic, Anglican and Orthodox churches recognize only three forms of liturgy and they’re all inerconnected. Anything else is ritual.

The Liturgy of the Word.
The Liturgy of the Eucharist.
The Liturgy of the Hours.

For example a wedding, baptism, profession of vows or funeral that take place outside of mass are called rituals or rites, not liturgy. The Good Friday services are called liturgy because they take place within the Liturgy of the Word. What follows is called the communion service or the distribution of communion. It’s not an essential part of the Liturgy. In fact, it was not always there. It was added less than 500 years ago and the provision was that it communion could be distributed as long as it was not within the Liturgy. That’s why it’s at the very end and there is no blessing.

JR

JR

 

[JReducation]

I’d like to add one more phrase: “we are a Resurrection People”.
I don’t know if it’s silly or erroneous, but all of a sudden I’m hearing it everywhere (Easter season, I know), but I never know exactly what is meant by it. Apparently the meaning differs from context to context. I guess I’m just turned off by anything that sounds like a buzzword.

I went to CCD every Wednesday growing up, and it was more of a catechism/religion class. Confirmation class was a seperate thing.

The Church’s calendar is divided into seasons, but not by climates. The seasons are determined by the liturgical time of year. The Easter season begins with Easter and runs up to and including Pentecaust Sunday. Then begins the Ordinary season until the Advent season which is four weeks before Christmas and then the Christmas season which runs up to the Epiphany and then Ordinary season until Lent and then until Wed of Holy Week. Interestingly enough, the Triduum is not part of Lent. It begins with Holy Thursday and Ends with the Easter Vigil. That’s why the purple disappears on Holy Thursday and Good Friday.

JR

 

[JReducation]

I think you are on to something there. It seems there is nothing to look forward to…if we keep looking back. It is much easier for some folks to have a rigid “tell me what to do” type life…

What I find meaningless, overused, silly and innacurate are the “scare tactics” and “fear mongering” slant. It like, “if I have made you scared enough…then you will be more obiediant to the faith”. I don’t recall Jesus scaring the cr*p of out people to make them follow Him.

I think that you and Ana raise a valid point here. As the father of two young adult Catholics (18 and 23) I know that they roll their eyes every time they hear a Catholic complain about some thing that is not really essential to Catholicism.

My children and I are converts to Catholicism, from Judaism. This was a long time ago that we entered the Church. My son doesn’t even remember not being Catholic. He was four-years old.

I don’t know if other converts have this same experience or if it’s more common to converts from Judaism. I was listening to a Jewish Catholic who lectures on EWTN, I can remember his name right now. He’s a Catholic theologian. He was speaking about the same thing. To us Jewish Catholics anti post 1963 Catholicism is almost like whining. It’s a big turn-off, not an inspiration at all.

People like Mother Teresa, Dorothy Day, Catherine Doherty, Charles de Facould, the Little Brothers of the Poor, and many others have spent much more time thinking about prayer, contemplation, asceticism, service to the poorest of the poor, evangelizing through charity and teaching good theology rather than picking at every little thing that they dislike in the Church. These people attract the attention of those looking at the Catholic faith from the outside.

Even someone as conservative as Mother Angelica spends most of her time trying to bring sinners back to Jesus by her life of contemplation. She appears on TV one hour a week and speaks about the things that we as Catholics must focus on and what we have to correct; but she spends the rest of the week behind a wall of a cloister in prayer, solitude and doing what St. Francis and St. Clare dictated, living the Gospel by embracing the cross.

We really need less of the negative and more of the spirit of Francis, Clare, Vincent, Louise de Marillac, Elizabeth Ann Seton, John XXIII, Mother Teresa, John XXIII, Padre Pio, Miximilian Kolbe and John Paul II. The Church needs more mystics and less critics.

JR

 

[Lepanto]

The Catholic, Anglican and Orthodox churches recognize only three forms of liturgy and they’re all inerconnected. Anything else is ritual.

The Liturgy of the Word.
The Liturgy of the Eucharist.
The Liturgy of the Hours.

For example a wedding, baptism, profession of vows or funeral that take place outside of mass are called rituals or rites, not liturgy. The Good Friday services are called liturgy because they take place within the Liturgy of the Word. What follows is called the communion service or the distribution of communion. It’s not an essential part of the Liturgy. In fact, it was not always there. It was added less than 500 years ago and the provision was that it communion could be distributed as long as it was not within the Liturgy. That’s why it’s at the very end and there is no blessing.

JR

JR

The Book of Blessings is a repository of “small” liturgies.

Please refer to Book of Blessings prepared by International Commission on English in the Liturgy A Joint Commission of Catholic Bishops’ Conferences, The Liturgical Press, Collegeville, Minnesota, 1989

 

[BHooper]

“Faith journey”–overused.

“Dialogue”–used by dissenters (usually as a verb no less) to mean, “We keep talking until you cave and start marrying homosexuals and ordaining women.”

 

[JReducation]

The Book of Blessings is a repository of “small” liturgies.

Please refer to Book of Blessings prepared by International Commission on English in the Liturgy A Joint Commission of Catholic Bishops’ Conferences, The Liturgical Press, Collegeville, Minnesota, 1989

What you’re calling “small” liturgies is not the same as what the Church calls Liturgy.

**1069 The word “liturgy” originally meant a “public work” or a “service in the name of/on behalf of the people.” In Christian tradition it means the participation of the People of God in “the work of God.” Through the liturgy Christ, our redeemer and high priest, continues the work of our redemption in, with, and through his Church. ** Catechism of the Catholic Church

Shorter rituals, such as the blessing of a rosary is not the work of the people of God.

1674 Besides sacramental liturgy and sacramentals, catechesis must take into account the forms of piety and popular devotions among the faithful. The religious sense of the Christian people has always found expression in various forms of piety surrounding the Church’s sacramental life, such as the veneration of relics, visits to sanctuaries, pilgrimages, processions, the stations of the cross, religious dances, the rosary, medals, etc. Catechism of the Catholic Church

If you go to Canon Law and to the Catechism of the Catholic Church you will observe that the Church applies the word Liturgy only to the Liturgy of the Word. Sacramental Liturgy and Liturgy of the Hours.

All other forms of rites and rituals are considered sacramentals according to canons 1166 to 1172. These include blessings etc.

JR

 

[ac_claire]

The Church’s calendar is divided into seasons, but not by climates. The seasons are determined by the liturgical time of year. The Easter season begins with Easter and runs up to and including Pentecaust Sunday. Then begins the Ordinary season until the Advent season which is four weeks before Christmas and then the Christmas season which runs up to the Epiphany and then Ordinary season until Lent and then until Wed of Holy Week. Interestingly enough, the Triduum is not part of Lent. It begins with Holy Thursday and Ends with the Easter Vigil. That’s why the purple disappears on Holy Thursday and Good Friday.
JR

Thanks! Interesting info. I am curious, though…how was this a response to my post which you quoted? (see post #150)

 

[JReducation]

Thanks! Interesting info. I am curious, though…how was this a response to my post which you quoted? (see post #150)

You know what! I think I misunderstood your post. When you said about Resurrection people and being in the Easter season, I thought you were not understanding the Easter season. I’m so sorry.

It’s that so many people think that Easter is over the next day, that I thought that you didn’t understand the concept of an Easter season.

I’m embarrassed

JR

 

[ac_claire]

You know what! I think I misunderstood your post. When you said about Resurrection people and being in the Easter season, I thought you were not understanding the Easter season. I’m so sorry.
I’m embarrassed

LOL, don’t be! Hey, I’m always happy when people respond to my posts.

 

[JReducation]

LOL, don’t be! Hey, I’m always happy when people respond to my posts.

Thanks. You’re very sweet.

 

[PatrickJT914]

It’s held annually in Los Angeles.

Let’s just say it would be wise to avoid it.

Hi LRThunder,
What do you mean when you say to avoid the L.A. Religious Education Congress? I’ve been going since 1983 (Although I’ve missed 1984,1985,1987) That’s a total of 23 Congresses. I don’t know if you’ve ever been to a single one. From my experiences I find it very fulfilling, spiritually uplifting, faithfilled,a personal retreat, renewing my faith, learning more about my faith,a true meaning of a CATHOLIC (young,older,all shapes,all sizes, all colors,all nationalities,all ethnicities, all cultures,first time attendees, veteran attendees, et al), different forms of prayer;(A Labyrinth,Lamentation service,peace prayer, Morning praise,chapel w/adoration,Sacrament of Reconciliation), various types of Catholic music; (Gospel,Contemporary,Praise,
Rock, Contemplative, Choral ,Jazz, Celtic, Worship and others)

At Congress, there are about 216 Workshops in English
52 Workshops in Spanish
5 Workshops in Vietnamese
182 Total speakers
38,000+ Attendees
Workshop topics: Adult Catechesis, Asian Pacific, Black Perspective, Catechesis, Christian Initiation, Detention Ministry, Early Adolescents, Early Childhood, Ecclesiology, Evangelization,
Ecumenism, Elementary, Family, Sexuality, Human Growth and Development, Junior High, Justice & Peace, Life Issues, Liturgy, Media, Morality, Music, Multicultural, Leadership, Sacraments, Scripture, Social Apostlate, Spirituality, Theology, Youth Ministry,
and Young Adult.
Eucharistic Liturgies: Contemplative, Jazz, Nigerian, Spanish, Black Culture, Celtic, Young Adult, Vietnamese,Sunday Morning and the Closing Congress liturgy.
Exhibitors: Books, Bibles, Vocations, Videos, Software, Religious Jewlery, Vestments, Church Goods, Peace & Justice, Sacred Art & Enviroment, Missionaires, Candles, Liturgical Books
& Materials and plenty more.
Anyway I just wanted to touch a little bit on this topic. I can provide more information if need be.