Silly, meaningless, inaccurate, overused, dumbed-down, erroneous, or self-contradictory buzzwords and phrases

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Now on to a response. I checked an online dictionary to find the meanings of “LOW” and “HIGH”. I found The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, 4th Edition, 2000, Updated 2003 to be helpful.
I would have consulted a liturgical dictionary; or even better, the New Catholic Dictionary:
LOW MASS: A shortened and simplified form of the High Mass, with priest and server only. If parts of the Mass be sung it is a sung Mass or Missa Cantata.

HIGH MASS: The complete rite of the Mass, the priest assisted by the deacon and subdeacon, and all the rubrics of the Order of Mass observed, such as chanting the Gospel, incensing altar, ministers, and people; also called solemn Mass.
Since the 2nd Vatican Council changed the all that to bring back the beauty and high importance of Mass being the Mass, without any degrees or levels of it. (Even if it has singing or not) With that being said, my original post stands just as it is!
But the GIRM talks about degrees of solemnity:
  • “In texts that are to be spoken in a loud and clear voice … the tone should also be suited to the form of celebration and to the solemnity of the gathering.” (n. 38)
  • The Gloria “is sung or said on Sundays outside the Seasons of Advent and Lent, on solemnities and feasts, and at special celebrations of a more solemn character.” (n. 53) Same goes for the Creed. (cf. n. 68)
  • The deacon may omit the dalmatic “on account of a lesser degree of solemnity”. (nn. 119, 388)
  • “In more solemn celebrations, as the occasion suggests, a Bishop may impart a blessing to the people with the Book of the Gospels.” (n. 175)
  • “On more solemn days, sacred vestments may be used that are festive, that is, more precious, even if not of the color of the day.” (n. 346g)
In addition, days are called solemnities, feasts, memorials, or ferial: solemnities have two readings before the gospel, whereas feasts, memorials, and ferials have only one. That’s another distinction in the way Mass is celebrated. And you gloss over whether “it has singing or not”; I think you are unfairly overlooking an important distinction.

The Ordinary Form did, it is true, relax the rules regarding the use of incense… it can be used more freely (basically at the discretion of the priest), but don’t most parishes still reserve it for “solemn” occasions?
 
“Faith Community” aka a PARISH!

“Worship Celebrations” aka LITURGY
 
The terms “Low Mass” and “High Mass” are NOT “silly, meaningless, inaccurate, overused, dumbed-down, erroneous, or self-contradictory buzzwords and phrases”; they refer to TRADITIONAL LATIN MASSES that are either not sung (low) or sung (high). OK?? :tsktsk:
That’s funny, I thought it meant Low=Earlier in the day and High=Later in the Day, in which case you could just say “Early Mass” and “Late Mass” or “11:00 Mass,” or whatever. Maybe “Mass with Song” and “Mass w/o song” translated into Latin or Spanish would be a better choice of nomenclature. For example, “Misa Canto” means “Mass I sing,” literally in Spanish. (I forgot all my verb conjugations from school. I only know the present tense.) “Misa no Canto” means “Mass I do not sing.” In this particular case using one of these two languages would sound better than English if you ask me. Getting everybody to go along with that would be a whole different story. Really though, if I had it my way, I’d change it in this way simply because it would be more accurate.

Tracy
 
I don’t believe anyone has mentioned: “When we sing, we pray twice.” Poor St Augustine, if only he knew what way too often passes for both songs and singing today. Every time I hear someone say that, I know the music will be terrible and the cantor tone deaf - and of course NO ONE in the congregation will sing the noteless, syncopated, unfamiliar, near heretical, feel good, asinine, dreck proferred by the aging hippie priest or music director who mandates this stuff.
 
I don’t believe anyone has mentioned: “When we sing, we pray twice.” Poor St Augustine, if only he knew what way too often passes for both songs and singing today. Every time I hear someone say that, I know the music will be terrible and the cantor tone deaf - and of course NO ONE in the congregation will sing the noteless, syncopated, unfamiliar, near heretical, feel good, asinine, dreck proferred by the aging hippie priest or music director who mandates this stuff.
That’s the same argument my pastor uses when he’s trying to get us to sing the junk from Spirit and Song (OCP hymnal). No one really sings it, though.🤷 They do much better with Traditional stuff. 👍
 
I’m probably spoiled by my wife’s excellent cooking. But has it ever occurred to anyone that “fellowship” and “fellowshipping” has a sort of, well, paternalistic aura about it? How it has escaped the diocesan “inclusive terminology” people all this time is a mystery. Likely they will wake up one day and change it to “personship” and “personshipping”, though the latter term sounds a little too much like a violation of the Mann Act. So, maybe that’s why “fellowshipping” remains unchanged, though some collective “ministry” has undoubtedly spent a “discernment” session considering it but hasn’t yet come up with a “prophetic” solution.
Actually there IS a joke about that, and it goes on to say that no, we can’t say person-ship because THAT has the word ‘son’ in it, and that again has implication. I think it ends by saying that the only acceptable word is offspring!!!lol

When I worked for a Methodist congregation as a choir director, they had a minister who was a woman who refused to acknowledge God as He. She insisted on calling Him ‘It’, or 'The Being" and such. She even pressured me to change hymn wording, and insisted that women were offended and turned off by the church’s use of masculine words:confused: :eek: . I told her, “The last time I checked, Jesus was a Man, a Son, and a Savior. He referred to His Father in Heaven”. I then told her perhaps she hadn’t noticed that I was a woman, and I wasn’t offended a bit.

I left that position!
 
Maybe “Mass with Song” and “Mass w/o song” translated into Latin or Spanish would be a better choice of nomenclature. For example, “Misa Canto” means “Mass I sing,” literally in Spanish. (I forgot all my verb conjugations from school. I only know the present tense.) “Misa no Canto” means “Mass I do not sing.” In this particular case using one of these two languages would sound better than English if you ask me.
That’s the other thing… “Low Mass” and “High Mass” are English phrases, not Latin phrases, so they’re not even the official names for the varying degrees of Masses.

From “highest” to “lowest”, there’s: Pontificalis (by the bishop), Solemnis (“solemn” – high), Cantata (“sung”), and Privata (“private” – low).

(See Liturgy of the Mass in the Catholic Encyclopedia.)
 
“Gathering Space” - A local church uses this term to mean the main body of the church where the pews are.

“Faith Sharing” - When I see retreats that have “faith sharing” scheduled, all I can think of is “psychobabble group therapy.” Pass the kleenex.
 
“Faith Sharing” - When I see retreats that have “faith sharing” scheduled, all I can think of is “psychobabble group therapy.” Pass the kleenex.
I’d like to know exactly what “faith-sharing” is intended to mean, because outside the context of catechesis (“faith formation”), it could very well just mean “sharing an incorrect faith”.
 
Feel free to add your own.

“Eucharistic Minister” – only the ordained are eucharistic ministers.
True. Although I must say that I don’t think that the term “Eucharistic minister” is part of some conspiracy to blur the line between ordained and lay Catholics; people say it simply because it is shorter and easier to say than the much more cumbersome, “Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion.”

I fully admit, however, that “Eucharistic minister” is inaccurate.
“Reconciliation Room” – not to be confused with the Romper Room, this was formerly known as the “confessional”.
Actually, there’s a difference. Not every confession is heard in an actual confessional. It would be inaccurate to call a room in which the Sacrament of Penance is celebrated a “confessional” if it is not.
“Catholics and Christians” – implies that Catholics are not Christians. A better alternative would be “Catholics and other Christians.”
Very good point. I must say, however, that in my experience Catholics don’t usually speak of “Catholics and Christians.” Usually Protestants use that phrase.

And most of the time, the Protestants who use that phrase do so because they do not think of themselves as “Protestants,” but rather as merely Christians. They are, of course, Protestant, but especially with the non-denominational types, they often just call themselves “Christian” and don’t realize what kind of Christian they are.

So in the vast majority of cases, the Protestants who use that term are doing so out of honest ignorance, not out of a desire to imply that Catholics are not Christian.

But I agree nonetheless that it is a misleading phrase.
“Worship Space” – as compared to what, “Outer Space?” Why not simply call it the “church,” or more accurately, the “nave”?
Well, sometimes Mass is not celebrated inside an actual church. Perhaps someone should come up with a better name for “a place Mass is celebrated that’s not a church” besides “worship space,” though.
“Roman Catholic Church” – there is no such thing. See here:
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I agree that it’s irritating - and rather demeaning to Eastern Rite Catholics - when people use the term “Roman Catholic Church” to refer to the Catholic Church. Still, I think in its proper context (i.e. as a reference to the Latin Rite), it is appropriate.
At least Pope Benedict (even as Cardinal Ratzinger) cleared up the “seperated brethren” by calling them what they really are: Protestant ecclesial communities. He does refer to the Orthodox as Sister Churches.
You make a good point that Protestant Christian “churches” are technically “ecclesial communities.”

Still, the term “separated brethren” is perfectly accurate. You may not like the fact that it’s associated with an attempt to give warm fuzzies, but there’s nothing untrue about it.

And one mustn’t deny that validly baptized Protestants (in other words, most of them) are true Christians.
Please re-read what I said carefully this time: I said that the word “heretic” is a technical distinction, not a pejorative. Do you disagree with this? Moreover, I didn’t suggest anything about the merits of its use. It is a canonical term, and hence it has its use. There are heretics today – it’s not just a historical term
He didn’t misunderstand you.; he was simply trying to explain that even though “heretic” is not a pejorative, that does not negate the fact that today it is almost always interpreted as one. We would do well, then, not to give unintended insult by referring to Protestants as heretics, especially since a typical modern-day Protestant was - in all likelihood - never actually a Catholic in the first place. Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, et al, can be fairly considered heretics.
I had a priest stand in my office and argue with me that EMHCs are now the ordinary ministers of Communion. Say what??? This same priest stood up enraged at a liturgy committee meeting when I said that having 2 priests sit down and watch 3 EMHCs distribute communion flew in the face of at least 3 Vatican documents. “We’ve never paid attention to those documents and we’re not about to start now!”
Wow. That’s absolutely horrendous. Why would such a man even want to be a priest in the first place? He clearly doesn’t take his job or the faith itself very seriously.
I’m not sure what you’re getting at here. The GIRM refers to them as ministers and to ministries as does Redemptionis Sacramentum. If it’s good enough for the documents, it’s good enough for me.
Good point. Even if a term is overused or trite, that doesn’t make it inaccurate. I personally get bored to tears by all the talk of different “ministries” and agree that the word loses its value when thrown around so much today, but there’s nothing incorrect about it. As you put it, “if it’s good enough for the documents, it’s good enough for me.”
 
That’s the other thing… “Low Mass” and “High Mass” are English phrases, not Latin phrases, so they’re not even the official names for the varying degrees of Masses.

From “highest” to “lowest”, there’s: Pontificalis (by the bishop), Solemnis (“solemn” – high), Cantata (“sung”), and Privata (“private” – low).

(See Liturgy of the Mass in the Catholic Encyclopedia.)
You forgot Papal High Mass. Although it may technically be a Pontifical High Mass, there are some signifigant differences. Wikipedia actually has a good article on Papal High Masses (which is first for them…).

Excellent point, though.

Quite similar to the argument some Evangelicals raise about calling priests “Father.” It is the custom of only a few languages. In French, priests are rightly called “Abbe”, although “Pere” is sometimes used due to English/German influence. In Latin, a priest is rightly called “Dominus.” When in the Eternal City, Father John becomes “Dominus Iohannes”.

Mat.
 
pretending to know more than the Church = self-annihilation 😛
I agree, though a distinction must be made between the Church, and the visible head of the Church, when he is not speaking infallibly or is not exercising the Ordinary Magisterium. Do you agree with the following statement? To think that every word that the Pope speaks is infallible, that all of His Holiness’s actions are above reproach, and that the Pope cannot sin, by virtue of being the Pope, is a caricature of true Catholic doctrine.
 
To think that every word that the Pope speaks is infallible, that all of His Holiness’s actions are above reproach, and that the Pope cannot sin, by virtue of being the Pope
That would be the heresy of ultramontanism.
 
I agree, though a distinction must be made between the Church, and the visible head of the Church, when he is not speaking infallibly or is not exercising the Ordinary Magisterium. Do you agree with the following statement? To think that every word that the Pope speaks is infallible, that all of His Holiness’s actions are above reproach, and that the Pope cannot sin, by virtue of being the Pope, is a caricature of true Catholic doctrine.
No, I do not agree with that statement.
 
Why? Do you think that every word that the Pope speaks is infallible, and that he cannot sin?
Let me clarify. The Pope is a living breathing human being. Every word out of his mouth is not always right and yes he is capable of sin. Because he is human. As far as Church Doctrine is concerned. I believe he gets together with folks in the know and thinks long and hard on decisions he believes are necessary for Catholics to hear and follow. The Catholic religion has several absolutes which make sense on a human rights perspective. Life as being the most important. We cannot begin until we begin.

But he can make a boo-boo…he is human.
 
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