Silver Challices

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is it ok for the Priest to change the Challices from Gold to Silver? what do you have in your Parish? how about the Wine be changed from Red to pink?

thanks for your imput on this.
 
Even way back when, I have seen silver chalices. What you can’t see from the congregation is that the chalice is lined with gold. I have even seen wood used but it has a gold interior. It is the use of crystal that gets me.

I have seen red, white, and rose wine used over the years. I am not a GIRM expert so maybe someone else can address this.
 
Those are interesting questions. I’ve never thought of them. I mean, why would you “downgrade” on the receptical of the Blood of Christ. I would think you would want something valuable an ornate. Anyway, here is what I found on the Chalice. Maybe someone can post more complete information, if there is any available:

newadvent.org/cathen/03561a.htm
*According to the existing law of the Church the chalice, or at least the cup of it, must be made either of gold or of silver, and in the latter case the bowl must be gilt on the inside. In circumstances of great poverty or in time of persecution a calix stanneus (pewter) may be permitted, but the bowl of this also, like the upper surface of the paten, must be gilt. Before the chalice and paten are used in the Sacrifice of the Mass they require consecration. This rite is carried out according to a form specially provided in the “Pontificale” and involving the use of holy chrism. The consecration must be performed by a bishop (or in the case of chalices intended for monastic use, by an abbot possessing the privilege), and a bishop cannot in an ordinary way delegate any priest to perform this function in his place. Further, if the chalice lose its consecration — which happens for example if it be broken or the cup perforated, or even if it has had to be sent to have the bowl regilded—it is necessary that it should be reconsecrated by the bishop before it can again be used. Strictly speaking, only priests and deacons are permitted to touch the chalice or paten, but leave is usually granted to sacristans and those officially appointed to take charge of the vestments and sacred vessels. *

As to the wine, the last time I was handed the Cup, I thought the one used by my church was light rose? I didn’t know it had to be red. In fact, I’m sure that the churches I’ve attended have used a light rose in the past.

I’m sure someone with better knowledge on this can help us out 🙂
 
In my 1957 Missal it says that the chalice must be Gold on the inside outside Gold plated in times of poverty silver brass or pewter will suffice.
 
Thanks guys for your answers. i hope to get more insight on this.
 
The chalice is supposed to be “noble” metal. Silver is a noble metal. Silver is less expensive so if you were buying new and had a poor parish, I could see using it. But silver is harder to take care of so I am not sure why someone would want to change if they already had gold.

The wine can be red, rose or white. It just has to be wine from grapes and free of additives.
 
As I recall, in the old days there was never a rule that said a chailce must be made of solid gold. A chalice was to be formed of a “noble metal” which of course includes silver. If not made of gold (and even in former times, a solid gold chalice was a rarity due to its cost) it was supposed to be “lined with gold” (interior). I believe that current regulations are similar.

That said, a solid silver chalice is also a rarity, again because of its cost, albeit less than gold. Most chalices I’ve encountered are of bronze or other base metal, lined with gold, and often plated with gold or silver on the exterior.

(As an aside, it’s interesting to note that in ancient Egypt, silver was considered more precious than gold, due to its rarity in the region. There was also what is called “electrum” which is a blend of gold and silver and has a rather ruddy cast to it.)

As for the wine, Corki is correct: red, white, rosé are all fine, as long as it’s pure (without additives). There have been several threads on CAF about this.
 
I love the church and its teachings, but I wish the chalice didn’t have these restrictions in materials. There are so many precious and symbolic materials out there that would make beautiful chalices!

I’m sure everyone has seen Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. I know it is just a silly movie, but the idea behind the Lord’s cup as portrayed in the movie is just as beautiful and perhaps more “noble” than any vessel made by human hands.

Just a thought!
 
I have seen wood chalices (made of “noble” woods like mahogany) but the interior of the cup was gold.
 
It used to be Gold but the new Priest changed to silver and i dont really know why.

i dont know why he woudnt not want to use gold for our Lord’s Blood. he has all these silver Challices brought in in a wood plate with holes in it. to tell you the truth i never seen this before.
 
If the old chalices were high grade gold, it might have been an economic decision, considering these times…

But more likely, he has some sentimental attachment to the ones he brought? Perhaps a gift from an admired teacher, or his old parish?
 
littlequestion said:
If the old chalices were high grade gold, it might have been an economic decision, considering these times…

But more likely, he has some sentimental attachment to the ones he brought? Perhaps a gift from an admired teacher, or his old parish?
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maybe. thanks.
 
wisdomseeker said:
It used to be Gold but the new Priest changed to silver and i dont really know why.

i dont know why he woudnt not want to use gold for our Lord’s Blood. he has all these silver Challices brought in in a wood plate with holes in it. to tell you the truth i never seen this before.
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Perhaps it’s white gold?
 
wisdomseeker said:
It used to be Gold but the new Priest changed to silver and i dont really know why.

i dont know why he woudnt not want to use gold for our Lord’s Blood. he has all these silver Challices brought in in a wood plate with holes in it. to tell you the truth i never seen this before.
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At first I thought perhaps it was his own chalice he was using for sentimental reasons but your comment about multiple chalices in a wooden plate with holes sounds a little peculiar. The plate with holes just made me think of communion in some Protestant churches and the individual cups for the wine.
 
malphono said:
As for the wine, Corki is correct: red, white, rosé are all fine, as long as it’s pure (without additives). There have been several threads on CAF about this.
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I. for one, was relieved when our parish changed to a non-red wine, as then I could receive withourt risking a migraine. We use a light tawny-coloured one.

There is also the point that a non-red emphasises the wonder of transubstantiation ; if the contents of the chalice resemble blood, it is all too easy to forget that the Real Presenece is not related to the accidents of the wine.

I think, maybe, there had also been a problem with children feeling disgust when they saw the redness and were told it was blood. If it doesn’t look like blood, it overcomes that.
 
Phemie said:
At first I thought perhaps it was his own chalice he was using for sentimental reasons but your comment about multiple chalices in a wooden plate with holes sounds a little peculiar. The plate with holes just made me think of communion in some Protestant churches and the individual cups for the wine.
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yes. i have never seen such a thing. the Challices being brought to the altar in a wood tray. that is very stranger. does anyone know if this ok?
 
I can remember that back in the 1970’s, there was a trend toward using earthen chalices and Altar patens. We had a Bishop that sold off all of the Cathedrals precious metals. After we moved to the westside of the state and got a new Bishop things changed. Seems the new Bishop forbade the use of earthen ware. So now gold shows up again. There is currently only one item thats left of the old earthenware set in my old church and that is the Monstrance. Its a pitiful looking thing. Think it was made in some evening ceramics class at the community college. Its tilted slightly and off-center.

But they still use it. 😦
 
corsair said:
I can remember that back in the 1970’s, there was a trend toward using earthen chalices and Altar patens. We had a Bishop that sold off all of the Cathedrals precious metals. After we moved to the westside of the state and got a new Bishop things changed. Seems the new Bishop forbade the use of earthen ware. So now gold shows up again. There is currently only one item thats left of the old earthenware set in my old church and that is the Monstrance. Its a pitiful looking thing. Think it was made in some evening ceramics class at the community college. Its tilted slightly and off-center.

But they still use it. 😦
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what is up with that?
the other i was talking to father, a priest from NJ, i coud not have known until brother introduce him to me. he was wearing a tshit and jeans. we cant tell who is who is anymore. i joked with, father i dont know who is priest anymore. he told me, his garment was in the washer. so i told him, i got to make you some more. we laughed.

but, i was telling him that i truly understand that what is going on in the Church is because the poor Worship that we are given to God. i said many things to him. how poorly the people are being educated in the Faith and how the wolves are stealing the sheeps by the dozen. he agreed with me. but he is one of those liberals Franciscans that wants to tear down the House of God. i took my time to tell him how we feel about what is going in the Church. of course with love and kindness toward the priesthood. i even kissed his hand. like i always do to all priests.
 
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