Simple question regarding alleged Marian worship?

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We were talking about Marian worship, and the fact that it is wrong, and should not be done - right?
We were talking about it, and many may not think it should be done, perhaps. I’m just saying what I think it actually is, or could be, beyond the hampering of belief.
I did not see an actual answer to the following:
So, the teaching office of the Catholic Church, in your opinion, is not a valid, true, or especially useful standard by which to measure reality, regarding only the teachings of Jesus the Christ. OK.
What is, specifically? 🙂
Truth. And no book or man can say what that is. It can only be pointed to.
 
We were talking about it, and many may not think it should be done, perhaps. I’m just saying what I think it actually is, or could be, beyond the hampering of belief.
Truth. And no book or man can say what that is. It can only be pointed to.
If no book or man can say what that is, then how does one point to it?
 
If no book or man can say what that is, then how does one point to it?
Love.* Look in the mirror; ask deeply “Who am I?” Read from those who have gone past the orthodox definition of Sainthood for encouragement, Catholic or not. Love. Know that your rational mind, as useful as it is, is excruciatingly limited. Know by self discovery that while your ego is excellent for navigation on this plane, if it is disciplined, it isn’t, so question it constantly, for it is the deceiver you have been warned about without being given its proper identification. Love. Feel what makes you happy at the deepest level beyond thoughts about it. Do that, even if you mess your pants doing it. Make honest mistakes. Thousands of them. Be in the company, if you can find even one of the few of them, of those who have gone past discursive religion and spirituality. Be with them as you would with a celestial symphony. Constantly ask “Who am I?” not accepting any personal qualification as an answer. Find your own way. The God you seek already has you closer than in a full embrace.
  • For most this means an emotional entanglement. I mean impersonal, dispassionate, all encompassing indifferent compassion, at least.
 
Novart;10227841]Love.* Look in the mirror; ask deeply “Who am I?”
OK.
Read from those who have gone past the orthodox definition of Sainthood for encouragement, Catholic or not.
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Love. Know that your rational mind, as useful as it is, is excruciatingly limited. Know by self discovery that while your ego is excellent for navigation on this plane, if it is disciplined, it isn’t, so question it constantly, for it is the deceiver you have been warned about without being given its proper identification.
OK.
Love. Feel what makes you happy at the deepest level beyond thoughts about it. Do that, even if you mess your pants doing it.
So far, no answer to my question…
Make honest mistakes. Thousands of them.
No problem with that request. LOL
Be in the company, if you can find even one of the few of them, of those who have gone past discursive religion and spirituality.
Avoid ramblers. Ok. You seem to be rambling. LOL. Just joking around brother.
Be with them as you would with a celestial symphony. Constantly ask “Who am I?” not accepting any personal qualification as an answer. Find your own way. The God you seek already has you closer than in a full embrace.
I seek the Trinitiarian God, defined by the CC in the 4th century, and accepted by almost all Christians regardless of denomination.
For most this means an emotional entanglement. I mean impersonal, dispassionate, all encompassing indifferent compassion, at least.
You said: the teaching office of the Catholic Church is not a valid, true, or especially useful standard by which to measure reality, regarding only the teachings of Jesus the Christ.

What you have said is deep but it did not answer the question: Did Jesus the Christ leave the world with a valid, true, useful standard by which to measure reality, (BTW, the context is Marian worship so I will wait for one more answer and then digress:)) regarding only His teachings, so that every generation has access to them, as opposed to just the generation of His apostles? 🙂
 
Since becoming catholic, (and long before) I have been told by some non-Catholics (with the exception of EO Christians) that the Catholic Church teaches Marian worship. I have been witnessing these claims recently right here at CAF. In light of said accusations, could anyone making such claims please show me the official magisterial teaching (or unofficial teaching) to back up said claim? 🙂
Non-Catholics tend to leave me alone on certain things after a while. Usually, online maybe after a few posts. I’ll try and explain how Catholics view and approach X best I know how, best of how I comprehend it at least, at times depending on the question and its tone.

On the other hand–and this is why they usually leave me alone quickly–If I really don’t appreciate the question, assertion, and tone I’ll respond like any Protestant accused of loving God or any atheist accused of not believing in God and being wholly rational.

That is to say… the issue isn’t why I pray or bend knee to the Holy Madonna that has touched my heart at Holy Hill in Wisconsin and advocates for me to her beloved Son, but why you don’t? That’s the issue. Let’s not get it twisted.

holyhill.com/
 
Actually in my case I have seen them us the “Hail Holy Queen” more than the Hail Mary.
The phrasing in this prayer IS more troubling - more easily misunderstood due to issues with translation from the Latin.

Peace
James
She’s my Queen.
 
I seek the Trinitiarian God, defined by the CC in the 4th century, and accepted by almost all Christians regardless of denomination.
Yes, very worthy, on the face of it. But it is already a conclusion and therefore a filter. Good luck.
You said: the teaching office of the Catholic Church is not a valid, true, or especially useful standard by which to measure reality, regarding only the teachings of Jesus the Christ.
What you have said is deep but it did not answer the question: Did Jesus the Christ leave the world with a valid, true, useful standard by which to measure reality, (BTW, the context is Marian worship so I will wait for one more answer and then digress:)) regarding only His teachings, so that every generation has access to them, as opposed to just the generation of His apostles? 🙂
My apologies. for some reason I was not getting the question as you spell it out in this form.

Imho, no, He left a methodology by example of discovering it for oneself, and that methodology has been occluded by the exigencies of time, politics, translation, and interpretations of those yet on the side of the coin of seeking that has not found, and who have not discovered the substance of the coin as distinct from its faces. However well intended and thought to be protected and inspired the records may be, they are extrapolations, and weakened, to put it as kindly as possible. And yet they live and are available today, but unrecognizable to those deeply invested in the Christian view, as that purports to be the Truth, and has in its Catholic version the weight of astounding and profound, but finally nearly useless, intellection behind it.

Imho, the Catholic mystics that gained the ultimate insight did so despite the intellectual structure, which served chiefly as a koan, though the idea of the Son of God and that Sacrifice is a true story, but whose personal (not in the Protestant way) implication is almost invariably missed due to the assumptions surrounding it, assumptions made by some who didn’t make a necessary leap. It is so to this day, and there is therefore a standoff between dogma and experience that in the Church, for the most part, is nearly insurmountable.

Is that more in the line of an answer? As for the Marian part of it, that is relatively but not absolutely a factor. Just that if it was taken more seriously and in a more Universal sense, it could be “…right, just, and helpful to our salvation.” That last word is also hyper misunderstood in the Christian context, again hinging on the understanding of the original Teaching.
 
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