Sin to live with girlfriend?

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Is it a sin to live with my girlfriend? We are NOT engaging in sexual activities. We sleep in the same bed but it is not sexual. I do not think of anything sexual when we sleep together either. I just see it as sleep.
 
Is it a sin to live with my girlfriend? We are NOT engaging in sexual activities. We sleep in the same bed but it is not sexual. I do not think of anything sexual when we sleep together either. I just see it as sleep.
Not saying you are lying, but isn’t that impossible?
 
Not saying you are lying, but isn’t that impossible?
:confused: Odd, anyway…

Two big problems:
  1. You are putting yourself in a near occasion of sin.
  2. You are creating scandal–this means that people who know that you are living with her assume that you are having sex. They look at a good Catholic man, assume that you are having sex (I would, too) and think then it must be okay. It makes it easier for them to justify their own weaknesses in having premarital sex.
Don’t play down the influence your life has on other people. At the general judgement, we will see how our actions led other people to sin or to virtue.

You should move out immediately. God bless you for not living your life “unexamined.”

Also, as man you should want to protect your girlfriend’s reputation. Men used to fight duels to when others suggested lack of purity…it’s hard to accept that you deliberately ruin her reputation this way.

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I agree. And until you move out, I suggest you sleep on the couch or somewhere else.
 
Why do you assume I am lying? I asked a question and stated the facts, do not assume I am lying. It is not impossible. A near occasion of sin is not Sin. I am asking IS IT A SIN?

It is NOT scandal because no one knows she is living with me. She does not live with me everyday actually, just 1 or 2 days a week and we do not have any kind of sexual intercourse. We do kiss though, but not even passionately. No, I am not lying, please do not assume I am. Also, I don’t understand how assumptions on other peoples part could mean scandal. So if you decide to “assume” someone stole and got away with it, even if they didn’t, and then go steal something yourself, it is that person’s fault?

If someone were to know about this, and I specifically told them we were not sexually active, but they refused to believe me and assumed we were sexually active, how could that be scandal? He chooses to not believe me even though I stated the truth. Just like the first poster here. I can’t believe assumptions which are wrong are my fault. Anyway, this is not important as NO ONE knows.

I am not ruining my girlfriends reputation. Okay let me elaborate more.

If we are not having sex, and we are not living scandal (no one knows) then is it a sin?

No I am not going to move out, it is my apartment and I would not tell her to leave either. I don’t want opinions, I want some facts. (Also don’t say now people know because I posted on the internet so it is a scandal because I don’t think that applies since none of you know who I am.)
 
  1. You are creating scandal–this means that people who know that you are living with her assume that you are having sex. They look at a good Catholic man, assume that you are having sex (I would, too) and think then it must be okay.
Maybe you should stop making assumptions…
 
Yes it is a sin. You should not be giving the level of intimacy that belongs to your wife to this woman. Not the physical kind, not the sexual kind, not the emotional or psychological intimacy . We reserve parts of ourselves in life that are gifted only to our spouses. She should not be giving any of this to you either.
 
Weird. Really weird.
Why share a bed?

Maybe you aren’t attracted to her that way.

So why is she your girlfriend?

Do you expect that by living together your intimacy will increase, and you will become MORE attracted to her?

Something’s really weird here.

It is possible that you aren’t attracted to her that way, so why are you using her? Why is she your girlfriend?

What keeps you from having sex with her? If you’re not concerned what people think of Catholics co-habitating, what is it that keeps your concupiscence in check?

It’s not saintly, that’s for sure. Saints know that it would cause scandal if they were to shack up. Saints are concerned for other’s souls.

I know some sexually disordered people who can sleep with the opposite sex and cuddle without having sex. But they are disordered. They are not attracted that way to the opposite sex.
That’s what it sounds like to me.

Something’s very odd about this situation.

I hope you both choose to do the right thing.
 
If you haven’t had sex with her or participated in other activities that could easily lead to sex, than you haven’t sinned. We are advised to avoid the near occassion of sin. We even say that in an act of contrition. We pray to God with the help of his grace to avoid the near occassion of sin. So I would advise you to at least sleep in seperate beds.

However you already stated that you are not going to change anything so why do you come here for answers if you are not going to change. It is pointless.
 
It is NOT scandal because no one knows she is living with me.
When we do the right thing, we want to share that with our community, friends and family. The fact that you are keeping this as a secret says that you know it is somehow wrong.

Here is the Catechism section on scandal:

Respect for the souls of others: scandal
[2284](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/2284.htm’)😉
Scandal is an attitude or behavior which leads another to do evil. The person who gives scandal becomes his neighbor’s tempter. He damages virtue and integrity; he may even draw his brother into spiritual death. Scandal is a grave offense if by deed or omission another is deliberately led into a grave offense.
[2285](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/2285.htm’)😉 Scandal takes on a particular gravity by reason of the authority of those who cause it or the weakness of those who are scandalized. It prompted our Lord to utter this curse: "Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened round his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea."86 Scandal is grave when given by those who by nature or office are obliged to teach and educate others. Jesus reproaches the scribes and Pharisees on this account: he likens them to wolves in sheep’s clothing.87
[2286](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/2286.htm’)😉 Scandal can be provoked by laws or institutions, by fashion or opinion.
Therefore, they are guilty of scandal who establish laws or social structures leading to the decline of morals and the corruption of religious practice, or to "social conditions that, intentionally or not, make Christian conduct and obedience to the Commandments difficult and practically impossible."88 This is also true of business leaders who make rules encouraging fraud, teachers who provoke their children to anger,89 or manipulators of public opinion who turn it away from moral values. 2287 Anyone who uses the power at his disposal in such a way that it leads others to do wrong becomes guilty of scandal and responsible for the evil that he has directly or indirectly encouraged. "Temptations to sin are sure to come; but woe to him by whom they come!"90

In addition, I’d suggest you read the Catechism section on the 6th Commandment, it begins here scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2c2a6.htm#2331
 
I don’t want opinions, I want some facts.
Do the references to the Catechism satisfy your request for facts? Otherwise you are going to be getting a lot of opinions here. 🙂

One thing I don’t think I got from the OP is his age. Perhaps he and the girlfriend are (like me) senior citizens. Believe me, that can make a difference. But not always. 😛

(Not that it still wouldn’t give scandal, not matter what the age!)
 
First I’ll give you the orthodox take. At the end my own unorthodox take.
I am asking IS IT A SIN?
It is not a sin in itself, not intrinsically sinful. Thus as with anything else not intrinsically sinful, it would be sinful, neutral, or laudatory according to the right judgment of prudence (wisdom).
It is NOT scandal
Unquestionably it gives scandal to some people. But giving scandal isn’t necessarily sinful. Most of our actions will scandalize at least some people. Deliberately giving scandal with an aim to leading others to sin would be evil. Likewise knowingly giving scandal needlessly (i.e. imprudently) would be a sin too. Being affectionate in a chaste way with your girlfriend is something of great value so that would not be a case of needlessly giving scandal. The more relevant issue is how needlessly tempting of a situation it would be for you or her. If that’s not an issue for you or her, then it wouldn’t IMO be a sin. Scandal and a sin known as “adulation” as well as “seduction” would arise however if you were to pretend to others that you were having sex with her, of course.
I am not ruining my girlfriends reputation.
This is an issue of charity for your gf. However again more than her reputation, chaste affection and time spent together is something of value. That is not to say it necessarily doesn’t come with dangers as I’ve already mentioned. (Also note that these dangers may also correspond to health dangers which can occur even without intercourse and even with the use of a condom, not to mention the risk of pregnancy and the moral temptation that may afford you or her and health risk it may additionally entail regardless of the choice she makes since pregnancy itself introduces health risks to the woman)
No I am not going to move out, it is my apartment and I would not tell her to leave either. I don’t want opinions, I want some facts.
I think people are not understanding the bottom line behind scandal and occasion of sin. The bottom line is a cost-benefit analysis with different elements weighted according to how you would rightly value them. So for example, even if you were chaste and so forth, if you had a little brother who wouldn’t be so successful as you and he were encouraged by your action to do as you do and he gave in to temptation, then that’s a possibility to consider. Ultimately however, in orthdox Catholic ethics here’s what they would say:

The nearer an occasion of sin and/or the greater the potential for leading others on a path to sin, the greater importance or value being pursued must be to justify the situation.

If you have been sleeping with your gf for a long while and you both have remained chaste for the most part, then that’s a point in favor of doing as you do. OTOH, if this has just been a few days, then you really won’t know how good you will be at resisting temptation until later.

NOW: my own opinion

If you truly love her and her, you, it should not be a problem. Also, IMO you should only sleep in the same bed if you wouldn’t regret having had intercourse should that end up happening. If you aren’t at that stage in your relationship, then IMO, in our culture it is not fitting to be in the same bed except maybe just occasionally. Additionally, I would recommend speaking with your doctor and her, hers, so that you might elect to follow their advice in terms of any eventualities or present things (remember it’s not just intercourse that can spread disease; some disease can be spread just through kissing or even holding hands in certain circumstances)
 
Well, most of you don’t know the exact circumstances of this. I am not keeping a secret nor do I feel like I need to keep it a secret. I would have no problem telling others we sometimes live together in a chaste way. It just hasn’t ever been brought up as there was no need.

I am not sexually disordered, of course I am attracted to the opposite sex. Again, don’t assume. Please don’t insult me by saying I am using her. How do you figure? I am not using her in any way at all. We can’t spend that much time together due to our schedules and so 1 or 2 nights a week (usually 1) she will stay at my home so we can spend more time together. I want to remain chaste and not have sex until we are married and so we do not have sexual relations.

I suppose I simplified it by just saying we live together, but we don’t actually live together just 1 or 2 nights depending.

After reading the Catechisms, I do not think they apply to me as I have led no one into thinking it was okay to sin and I have done no sin as far as committing fornication or lust. How do I do this? I pray to God for strength to resist.

I do not have any diseases, sexual or otherwise. I am not concerned about spreading disease I have been fully checked by doctors and am completely healthy. It is the same for her.
Yes it is a sin. You should not be giving the level of intimacy that belongs to your wife to this woman. Not the physical kind, not the sexual kind, not the emotional or psychological intimacy . We reserve parts of ourselves in life that are gifted only to our spouses. She should not be giving any of this to you either.
Wow, I never heard of this before. I of course know about not having sex until marriage but I never heard there was a degree to how much we could be emotionally or psychologically close with someone. Please show me something that states this so I can make a more informed decision.

Anyway, I am not saying I wouldn’t change some things if it were in fact necessary, but I wanted facts not opinions and it seems like a lot of people are just sharing their opinions and no actual church teachings. I saw the info from the Catechism but in this situation none of those apply. jfhh gave me a lot of good information though at least on perceptions and such. However, since we are not engaged in any sexual activity, and no I have no issues with my sexuality, I still see no real issue of sin. In the past I was sexually active, but I have since gone to confession, and with God’s strength will remain chaste until I marry. My g.f. and I will be engaged soon so we are going to get married in the near future.

Now my question is, if this was a sin, what degree of sin would it be? Is it grave matter? I am in fact evaluating my life and trying to determine what in my life is sinful, that is why I ask. I do not ask because I think it is a sin. I want to live a good life in accordance with God’s law. If something is shown to me to be a sin I would change my life accordingly because nothing comes before God to me but there are a lot of things I am unsure of. That is why I came here for answers, thanks.
 
My music teacher (from grade school) remarried after her first husband had passed away. The man courting her would not even enter her house until after the wedding. That is a very high level of respect from a man to a woman.

Now I would guess that the original poster would state that he respects his girlfriend. I base this on his prior posts in this thread.

What happens when the relationship falters and the two go their seperate ways? I am only asking, “What if?” Then if the young lady has trouble building trust in a future relationship with a man. So she makes a bad decision with the type of future man she picks and children are born. These children end up with a lousy role model as a father, and so on.

Yes it is a sin.
Playing house can have tremendous affects on people. I am not “throwing stones” if you will. I am posing these question to prompt some thought.

God bless
 
I understand it is your opinion it is a sin but I have yet to see anything from the church teachings or bible that shows me it is a sin. Perhaps we will break up but I doubt it since we are getting engaged and are making plans to marry.

Also remember, she only stays in my house for one or two nights a week and mostly that is just one.
 
I was tempted the same situation about a year and a half ago with my fiance (now husband).

I was going through some serious mental health issues at the time and he thought it would be better for us to live together, even if not sexually active, so that he could care for and keep an eye on me.

Although it sounded like heaven, my conscience told me absolutely not, so I listened and there was no moving in together until we were married.

Now that I’m married I fully understand why God helped me make that decision… the co-living of married people is a priveledge in itself. There is more to being married than being in bed, and hence, more to keep sacred out of the bed. The whole co-existance, living in the same house, seeing each other for hours everyday, sharing chores and bills, seeing each other’s face as the first thing upon waking up in the morning, is something I was not worthy of before I was married.

Although you seem to not want opinions, I’ll offer you my advice:
Hold it off now, and it will be better than you could ever imagine days to come. Don’t assume you have a right to anything until you have the martial blessing and grace, then it’ll feel like you have the world.

Good luck to the both of you and God bless. 🙂
 
Well, most of you don’t know the exact circumstances of this. I am not keeping a secret nor do I feel like I need to keep it a secret. I would have no problem telling others we sometimes live together in a chaste way. It just hasn’t ever been brought up as there was no need.

I am not sexually disordered, of course I am attracted to the opposite sex. Again, don’t assume. Please don’t insult me by saying I am using her. How do you figure? I am not using her in any way at all. We can’t spend that much time together due to our schedules and so 1 or 2 nights a week (usually 1) she will stay at my home so we can spend more time together. I want to remain chaste and not have sex until we are married and so we do not have sexual relations.

I suppose I simplified it by just saying we live together, but we don’t actually live together just 1 or 2 nights depending.

After reading the Catechisms, I do not think they apply to me as I have led no one into thinking it was okay to sin and I have done no sin as far as committing fornication or lust. How do I do this? I pray to God for strength to resist.

I do not have any diseases, sexual or otherwise. I am not concerned about spreading disease I have been fully checked by doctors and am completely healthy. It is the same for her.

Wow, I never heard of this before. I of course know about not having sex until marriage but I never heard there was a degree to how much we could be emotionally or psychologically close with someone. Please show me something that states this so I can make a more informed decision.

Anyway, I am not saying I wouldn’t change some things if it were in fact necessary, but I wanted facts not opinions and it seems like a lot of people are just sharing their opinions and no actual church teachings. I saw the info from the Catechism but in this situation none of those apply. jfhh gave me a lot of good information though at least on perceptions and such. However, since we are not engaged in any sexual activity, and no I have no issues with my sexuality, I still see no real issue of sin. In the past I was sexually active, but I have since gone to confession, and with God’s strength will remain chaste until I marry. My g.f. and I will be engaged soon so we are going to get married in the near future.

Now my question is, if this was a sin, what degree of sin would it be? Is it grave matter? I am in fact evaluating my life and trying to determine what in my life is sinful, that is why I ask. I do not ask because I think it is a sin. I want to live a good life in accordance with God’s law. If something is shown to me to be a sin I would change my life accordingly because nothing comes before God to me but there are a lot of things I am unsure of. That is why I came here for answers, thanks.
Read Arch. Fulton Sheen’s Three to Get Married. Also read some Theology of the Body stuff.

The marital relationship is very special and it is a reflection of Christs relationship with his church. We have a commandment that says we can’t have other Gods. Right? That means we can’t worship other Gods and give to them what belongs to our one true God. It’s kind of like that. We do not give what belongs to our Sacramental spouse to another. Our human nature craves the closeness with a human being that is reflective of our closeness with our God. That’s why God gave us marriage. As a way for us to grow in salvation together through service. Those acts of service are restricted within the sacrament of marriage. You don’t want to gift them to anyone before making that lifetime vow.

From a secular point of view- studies show that couples who have lived together have a higher rate of divorce. It’s even higher in couples where more there has been more than one instance of cohabitation. This has to do with bonding in a spousal way and then breaking up and moving on to another and the wounds that cause. Not just the sex but the psychological and emotional. This stems from giving parts of oneself to one that is not your lifelong companion and spouse. Sorry no trustworthy links. I’m sure you can search it out. It’s been researched plenty.
 
Sharing the same bedroom, let alone bed, is living as man and wife.

If there were separate bedrooms, not as much an issue.
 
Spend time in front of the Blessed Sacrament, ask Jesus about this. Be open and LISTEN to what He says.
 
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