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Sixtus
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…and enjoy!
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Mom_of_5
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The biggest mistake you made was telling anyone you did this. Something that was meant to be harmless, between you and your wife, is now judged to be a grave and mortal sin. I say shhhhhhhhhh! Enjoy each other!
Love amd peace,
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mdstanzel
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Even without telling anyone else it is a sin. All you have to do is form your concience and the truth would have been revealed to you. Prayer would have also revealed the truth to you had you sought it. By making a film for viewing you have stepped outside the marriage vow and transformed you and or your wife into an object of desire. This post in and of itself is sinful and you should be ashamed for having posted it. You’ve already violated your marriage vows in so many ways that I doubt your sincerity and believe that you are toying with us.
Don’t you believe in the communion of Saints? They and the Angels in heaven are your witnesses. Not to mention that we have witnessed this via electonic media. This distressed me and I will opt out not to participate in this thread and resign to prayer for you and especially your spouse and throw me in there as well so that I do not fall into the grave sin.
Don’t you believe in the communion of Saints? They and the Angels in heaven are your witnesses. Not to mention that we have witnessed this via electonic media. This distressed me and I will opt out not to participate in this thread and resign to prayer for you and especially your spouse and throw me in there as well so that I do not fall into the grave sin.
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StCsDavid
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Lust:
The inordinate craving for, or indulgence of, the carnal pleasure which is experienced in the human organs of generation. (from newadvent.org)
I think the key words here are “inordinate” and “indulgence,” as in self-indulgent.
A husband can certainly have a reasonable, natural craving, without objectifying his spouse. The position you and others argue means that one must sin to be sexually drawn to one’s wife? Doesn’t she deserve better? Where does Christ mention it’s okay to lust after one’s wife?
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water
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I quote what Fr. Corapi said “Marriage is not a license to lust”.
I do not like the idea of watching such video.
I do not like the idea of watching such video.
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Disciple87
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It is a sin. Think about it. If you went up to Christ himself in prayer and asked him if this would be good to do, what would He say? It is no less and no greater than all the hundreds, thousands of different sins we all can commit in a day. It should be repented, just like any other sin. Put faith in Christ, He will lead you on all things. Ask Him in prayer, know who He is and we will not wander from the truth.
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pnewton
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How can this verse be applicable? Can a man commit adultery with his own wife?
I have seen four people adamently declare it sinful, but no one has offered anything evidence from Church teaching or the Bible, except the one verse above. I would say do not listen to the conjectures here. If someone can point out where this has been declared sinful, then you might listen.
Sexual desire for one’s spouse is not only normal, but needed.
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aboverubies
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mdstanzal, if you wish to avoid topics such as these there is a way. Simply roll the mouse over each question and it will bring up a little box giving you an intro into the subject matter. The title of each question will also (generally) alert the reader to a post that they may find offensive. In this way we can all “look before we leap” and avoid the distress you speak of.
It is not a sin to ask a question - how else can we learn the truth and grow in our faith? “One cannot love what one doesn’t know.” God Bless.
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LovedForever
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I think people confuse “desire” of a spouse with “lusting” after a spouse.
There is a big distinction. Lusting focuses ONLY on the other as an “object” - devoid of caring and love and respect for their dignity. This is why pornography is so wrong.
It is right and good that we “desire” our spouse! God designed it this way. It does not mean we are “lusting” after them!
Frankly, this misunderstanding has caused many raised in the Church to internalize a faulty and unhealthy perception of sex. While it (a prudish attitude) may be the “opposite” of a lustful attitude - nonetheless, it veers far off track of God’s design for us just the same! To be “Naked Without Shame” with one another. (Married couples of course)
Much damage has been done in this area. That is why “Theology of the Body” is such a divine blessing on the world! It is tremendous in dispelling wrong attitudes and beliefs - on BOTH ends of the spectrum - when it comes to being male and female, sex and married love.
Through the lens of “Theology of the Body” - a loving, married couple who wish to tape their lovemaking with the proper respect and dignity of each other in mind - is perfectly acceptable! This is a very private thing between just the two of them - just as a senuous love letter to each other might be.
Have you never read “Song of Solomon”? That would be a book in the Bible…
There is a big distinction. Lusting focuses ONLY on the other as an “object” - devoid of caring and love and respect for their dignity. This is why pornography is so wrong.
It is right and good that we “desire” our spouse! God designed it this way. It does not mean we are “lusting” after them!
Frankly, this misunderstanding has caused many raised in the Church to internalize a faulty and unhealthy perception of sex. While it (a prudish attitude) may be the “opposite” of a lustful attitude - nonetheless, it veers far off track of God’s design for us just the same! To be “Naked Without Shame” with one another. (Married couples of course)
Much damage has been done in this area. That is why “Theology of the Body” is such a divine blessing on the world! It is tremendous in dispelling wrong attitudes and beliefs - on BOTH ends of the spectrum - when it comes to being male and female, sex and married love.
Through the lens of “Theology of the Body” - a loving, married couple who wish to tape their lovemaking with the proper respect and dignity of each other in mind - is perfectly acceptable! This is a very private thing between just the two of them - just as a senuous love letter to each other might be.
Have you never read “Song of Solomon”? That would be a book in the Bible…
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Sixtus
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If in doubt, why not ask your PP. 
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Disciple87
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We have Christs mind and can detest what is sin. Watching this movie for pleasure is a sin. Is that pure? Yes you can be attracted to you spouse but in making the movie you are glorifying your sex. In God’s eyes He wouldn’t want this. He wants you to show attention to your spouse not to a video. Don’t watch your spouse like a sexy toy on a tv screen when you aren’t engaged in sex with the sole purpose to love oneanother.
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StCsDavid
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I’m not making this stuff up. Perhaps you should take a gander at what John Paul II had to say on the matter.
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rpp
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Well said. Thank you StCsDavid.
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pnewton
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I read it. It did not say that one could commit adultery with one’s own wife. Again, how is such a thing possible without ignoring the definition of “adultery.”
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pnewton
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I understand you and others are saying this is sin and you think God doesn’t want this. But why do you think this. No one is showing any authoritattive work or scripture to support the opinions. Say this is sin and that God doesn’t like this without authority is only begging the question. If one is to call God as authority, then quote God.
I think Sixtus had some good advice. In an absence of any clear teaching, discuss it with your parish priest.
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water
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Watching such video will eventually do harm to the couple. They first watch it for the love of it, then comes lust …then addicted to this sort of things. This is not to mention that someday their kids accidentally watch the video . 
Is this kind of video to satisfy your sexual life?
Is this kind of video to satisfy your sexual life?
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pnewton
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FYI - Do not think that because I do not see enough evidence to call it sin that I support such a thing. I really never thought about it before. But the poster above, and several others, bring up good points. As a matter of prudence I would have some reservations about it.
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StCsDavid
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Let’s look at that definition of adultery. If you examine the Latin Vulgate, you will see that the word Christ uses here is *moechaberis *which more closely translates “to defile” or “to corrupt.” So if you look at your wife in such a way that you defile her or in such a way that you corrupt her…how can you then believe that it is not a sin?
Christ and John Paul II are not saying that you can’t have sexual longings for your wife…of course you should…but if those longings demean the dignity of your spouse…if you view your wife (or her intimate areas) as a “thing” to be had…if you consider your wife as simply the outlet for you to as we say today, “get some”…you are in the classical sense, committing moechaberis.
So yes, you can commit adultery with your wife.
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mdstanzel
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I just remembered that I said I wouldn’t read this thread. I’m responding to the automatic email sent to me. Sorry, but it never ceases to amaze me how people justify wrong things. I’m new to this board and understanding that asking a question is not a sin. Sure I’ll use your advice in the future, but there are ways to ask a question that hint to toying with people. This smells of it. The following statement is real offensive but makes my point: There are people that “get off” by getting people involved into their “trashy mind/actions”. IOW, this could appraoch sin under certain circumstances. The OP is using it to “get off”, i.e., gratifying hisself while we post. If I had time, I could elaborate, but its not worth it for me. But to intentionally elaborate about a third party on a thread in a board is just plain wrong.
Many Catholics have abandoned their first love, Truth, Morality, etc. I talked to an older couple today that say they are Catholic but admit to attending the local mega church because they have bible classes and the Catholic Church doesn’t. He also recommended 2 books, “The Vatican Exposed” and “Hitler’s Pope”. What! Are we just trying to destroy our own Church’s reputation? My point is that from your reply to my intended message, maybe we all need to read more about moral theology. And this is the sad state of the Church. Thank God we are getting new converts that are filled with excitement, like, Scott Hahn and Marcus Grodi with the series “Journey Home”. They puts us cradle Catholics to shame. That’s why I left for 17 years, i.e., confused with everyone using relativism to make choices.
If this was a theoretical question, that would be different. But this is not the way the OP packaged it. Read some Moral Theology, I am so that I can better equip myself to understand if my post was incorrect thiniking. But this is where I’m at on my journey back home to Catholicism after 17 years of “solo scriptura”. And I’m actually a very funny person about many things. But I would never make my wife the specticle on some very public thread - as if there is no way to figure out who the identy of the OP. I know that I could if I wanted - I’ve done it before after someone threatened me. There are just some things that you do not share. This question should have been addressed directly to a spiritual director IMHO. My wife has shared some pretty strange behavior about certain people in the past. She has a criminal justice degree and lots of psycology. It freightens me. I realize that I may have come across judegemental, but there is a point where we need to draw a line and stand up for good.
I will pray for all of us.
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Disciple87
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I think this because I have Christs mind. He didn’t speak of such things as making a tape of the sacred act of sex, but He did lay a foundation. I know that it’s just a line of film capturing a motion pictures, but it is what is being captured and what it was made for that is worng. People may argue, is it a sin to tape my kids birthday party? It is a fun and great moment so why can’t sex be that way. The reason is that sex is totally different, it is sacred. Its not something to look at later for arousal or pleasure, it’s for love. If this was taped for love then you are going the wrong way with love.
By no means am I attacking the person who made this video. Just saying what needs to be. Remember, ask Christ and valuate every aspect of why you made the tape and you’ll see.
Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
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