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hey, been following this thread a bit. It brought up a question in my mind. Someone said earlier that blasphemy against the holy spirit is unforgivable. Surely that can’t be the case? What if you have already done it and then later in life want to be a Catholic. If you truly did want to be a Catholic you would have to confess this, is the priest just going to boot you out? Maybe this doesn’t happen too often, but it has to come up sooner or later.
 
Last Rites Which have the same total cleansing action, as does Baptism. And like Baptism, if one were to die after proper and “worthy” [desire / not merit] receiving this sacrament, and before commiting any other sins, this person too would itmediately access heaven.
Just a clarification, the sacrament I think you intend to refer to here is Anointing of the Sick. It is not something only celebrated when a person is near death. There’s no sacrament called “last rites.”
The fact that these sacraments can and are only validly administered and received in the confines of the ONLY Church Christ Founded, is the precise Will of God.
One more clarification: The Church considers marriages between non-Catholics as valid (barring any impediments that would invalidate the marriage). If they are both Christians (i.e. baptized) then the marriages are also sacramental.
 
hey, been following this thread a bit. It brought up a question in my mind. Someone said earlier that blasphemy against the holy spirit is unforgivable. Surely that can’t be the case? What if you have already done it and then later in life want to be a Catholic. If you truly did want to be a Catholic you would have to confess this, is the priest just going to boot you out? Maybe this doesn’t happen too often, but it has to come up sooner or later.
Yes,Greebus the Catholic church teaches that all sin is forgiven If we repent, turn to God for fiveness. Catholics do this through the Sacrament of reconcilliation, , (Sacramental confession.) Thank you Lord for your Mercy!:signofcross: Carlan
 
In Christianity, the ten commandments serve as a general guideline for what is wrong in the eyes of God. Similarly, Buddhism has the Five Precepts which serve as a general guideline for lay followers to live by.
  1. I undertake the training rule to abstain from taking life.
  2. I undertake the training rule to abstain from taking what is not given.
  3. I undertake the training rule to abstain from sexual misconduct.
  4. I undertake the training rule to abstain from false speech.
  5. Code:
    I undertake the training rule to abstain from fermented drink that causes heedlessness.
These precepts, actually, were not formulated by the Buddha himself but rather, an interpretation of one of his sermons.

From the Book of Tens, in the Anguttara Nikaya:
"And how is one made impure in three ways by bodily action? There is the case where a certain person takes life, is a hunter, bloody-handed, devoted to killing & slaying, showing no mercy to living beings. He takes what is not given. He takes, in the manner of a thief, things in a village or a wilderness that belong to others and have not been given by them. He engages in sensual misconduct. He gets sexually involved with those who are protected by their mothers, their fathers, their brothers, their sisters, their relatives, or their Dhamma; those with husbands, those who entail punishments, or even those crowned with flowers by another man. This is how one is made impure in three ways by bodily action.

So, from that sermon, early Buddhists created the Five Precepts. (Actually, false speech and drunkenness is mentioned in another sermon)
 
I was responding to PJM’s post.

He said 5 of the 7 sacraments relate to salvation and were only validated by the catholic church.

I asked if baptism was one of the 5.

You need to ask PJM what 5 he/she was refering to.#

I was interested in baptism as the catholic church says christian baptism in other churchs is valid and they dont rebaptise if you have been baptised properly elsewhere.

That seems to contradict the claim that the sacrament of baptism is only valid if done in the catholic church.

Thats why I aked PJM if baptism was one of the 5 he was referring to.

If you read my post properly you would have seen that,

Do you still think I’ll make a good protestant :rolleyes:
I do not know what you are good at, if you are going to be a protestant I hope you make a good.smile
 
On the contrary.

I’m responding to an error.

I know when the sabbath is.

And I know what the catechism says about it.

Some catholics clearly don’t, and contradict their own catechism and claim to know better and tell others they are wrong, when they dont even know what their own church teaches.

They don’t represent the teaching of the catholic church.

If a non catholic didnt know better, they could be easily misled by these self professed catholics into error.

There was a reference to keeping holy the sabath day - which was pointed out as a saturday. As in a breach of the 10 commandments.

OTCA said the sabbath was a Sunday, and disparaged protestants for believing it was a saturday.

Several of us pointed out she is wrong (again :rolleyes:).

Readers should be clear about what the catechism of the catholic church says on the matter, and is crystal clear that the sabbath is NOT the same as the Lords Day, as claimed by OTCA.

When dealing with sin, it’s important to have the churchs teaching straight, dont you think!
Fair enough, Guy but my point was that we are not dealing with deadly sin in this case. The mortal sin, and the real concern would be if a person delibertly did not attend Mass , on the vigil or Sunday.

I’m not sure if the confusion is even a sin, BTW, I realy like you and I think it is wonderful that you are being so thorough in your search for the whole truth.😃 Carlan
 
Carlan, I to some time make a mistake too (can you believe that), I do not think that a misstake is a sin so do not let some one make amountain out of a mouse hole, Most on this borad are human and other (think) they are perfect. Have a glass of wine and smile,wow did I say wine(now I have all the Baptist on my back) Let me get out of here B4 I get in trouble,PEACE
 
On the contrary.

I’m responding to an error.

I know when the sabbath is.

And I know what the catechism says about it.

Some catholics clearly don’t, and contradict their own catechism and claim to know better and tell others they are wrong, when they dont even know what their own church teaches.

They don’t represent the teaching of the catholic church.

If a non catholic didnt know better, they could be easily misled by these self professed catholics into error.

This thread is about sin.

There was a reference to keeping holy the sabath day - which was pointed out as a saturday. As in a breach of the 10 commandments.

OTCA said the sabbath was a Sunday, and disparaged protestants for believing it was a saturday.

Several of us pointed out she is wrong (again :rolleyes:).

Readers should be clear about what the catechism of the catholic church says on the matter, and is crystal clear that the sabbath is NOT the same as the Lords Day, as claimed by OTCA.

When dealing with sin, it’s important to have the churchs teaching straight, dont you think!
**GOTS,
Passages of Scripture like Acts 20:7, 1Cor 16:2, Col 2:16-17 and Rev 1:10 indicate that even during New Testament times, the Sabbath is no longer binding and that Christians are to worship on the Lord’s Day Sunday instead.
the following Early Church Fathers and such show that the first Christians understood this and gathered for worship on Sunday.
The Didache
The letter of Barnabas
Ignatius of Antioch
Justin Martyr
Tertullian
The Didascalia
Origen
Victorinus etc…

I would listen to them before I’d ever listen to you.**
 
=Guyonthestreet;5733279]Im confused.
First you say the church accepts all christian baptisms done with water to the trinitarian formula, then you say the sacrament can only be validly administered and received in the catholic church :confused::confused:
My oops 😊

I meant what I said, but didn’t say what I want.

Baptism is the one exception:thumbsup: SORRY!
 
**GOTS,
Passages of Scripture like Acts 20:7, 1Cor 16:2, Col 2:16-17 and Rev 1:10 indicate that even during New Testament times, the Sabbath is no longer binding and that Christians are to worship on the Lord’s Day Sunday instead.
the following Early Church Fathers and such show that the first Christians understood this and gathered for worship on Sunday.
The Didache
The letter of Barnabas
Ignatius of Antioch
Justin Martyr
Tertullian
The Didascalia
Origen
Victorinus etc…

I would listen to them before I’d ever listen to you.**
OTCA you said
That’s because the Sabbath is Sunday, not Saturday.
That was not truth.
No one argued about what days to worship. Quit trying to change the topic. A person should admit when they are wrong.
 
I’m 55 years old, born in 1954, so we’re in the same generation. I went to Catholic school with the Sisters of the Holy Union. They could be pretty intense, but we were never taught that eating meat on Friday was a mortal sin. We were very clear on what was mortal and what was not. It has always been Catholic teaching (and it’s in the old Baltimore Catechism) that to be mortal, a sin must involve GRAVE MATTER. Eating meat on Friday is not in the least bit grave, and we all knew that.

I guess I was lucky that I also had a father (now deceased) that knew his faith well and taught it to us in the home. He taught Catholic bible study for 20 years, and was a very good man.

I did not intend anything smirky, btw. Little kids are very prone to imagine all kinds of fearful things, and a pious child may sometimes get carried away with guilt and fear. That’s where a wise parent comes in handy.

God bless,
Paul
I went to school under Sisters of Loretta and they taught it was a mortal sin as it was. Eating meat on Fridays was and is still (during lent) a mortal sin. Let me add one more thing. Mortal sin requires three elements. 1) It has to be grave. It is indeed grave to disobey Church law. 2.) The person has to know it is grave. 3) The person has to do it anyway.
 
Isn’t the Sabbath sundown Friday to sundown Saturday? So that would be part of Friday and part of Saturday.
Yes. That’s by the Jewish reckoning of the day, which begins sundown the night before the calendar day. I wasn’t speaking in terms of the Jewish calendar. Whether one reckons “Saturday” as beginning at 12:00 a.m. or sundown the night before, it’s still the sabbath.
 
**GOTS,
Passages of Scripture like Acts 20:7, 1Cor 16:2, Col 2:16-17 and Rev 1:10 indicate that even during New Testament times, the Sabbath is no longer binding and that Christians are to worship on the Lord’s Day Sunday instead.
the following Early Church Fathers and such show that the first Christians understood this and gathered for worship on Sunday.
The Didache
The letter of Barnabas
Ignatius of Antioch
Justin Martyr
Tertullian
The Didascalia
Origen
Victorinus etc…

I would listen to them before I’d ever listen to you.**
And I’d listen to them too before someone who says this:
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OneTrueCathApos:
That’s because the Sabbath is Sunday, not Saturday.
See that. You said, and then repeated, the sabbath is a sunday. :rolleyes:

Then in the above post you say the sabbath is no longer binding and christians are to worship on **the Lords Day, a Sunday **😃

So you now get it :rolleyes:

Sabbath is a Saturday.

The Lords Day is a Sunday.

That was easy wasnt it.

Now, feel free to apologise to the protestants you disparaged, and move on 👍

I’m really glad for your sake you didnt put me on ignore like you promised, twice, or you wouldnt have the benefit of my catholic instruction 😃

You’re welcome. 👍
 
=Carlan-Fair enough, Guy but my point was that we are not dealing with deadly sin in this case. The mortal sin, and the real concern would be if a person delibertly did not attend Mass , on the vigil or Sunday.
I’m not sure if the confusion is even a sin, BTW, I realy like you and I think it is wonderful that you are being so thorough in your search for the whole truth.😃 Carlan
Jewish sabbath begans at sunset the eve before.

Jesus say’s Mark 2: 27" And he said to them, “The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath; so the Son of man is lord even of the sabbath.”

Saturday is an approved by Rome practice. Amen!
 
I went to school under Sisters of Loretta and they taught it was a mortal sin as it was. Eating meat on Fridays was and is still (during lent) a mortal sin. Let me add one more thing. Mortal sin requires three elements. 1) It has to be grave. It is indeed grave to disobey Church law. 2.) The person has to know it is grave. 3) The person has to do it anyway.
I think we should pose this question on the “Ask An Apologist” forum.
 
Jewish sabbath begans at sunset the eve before.

Jesus say’s Mark 2: 27" And he said to them, “The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath; so the Son of man is lord even of the sabbath.”

Saturday is an approved by Rome practice. Amen!
Even in the Catholic Church, the litugical day begins at sunset. That is why attending the 5PM Saturday vigil mass will satisfy your Sunday obligation.
 
I went to school under Sisters of Loretta and they taught it was a mortal sin as it was. Eating meat on Fridays was and is still (during lent) a mortal sin. Let me add one more thing. Mortal sin requires three elements. 1) It has to be grave. It is indeed grave to disobey Church law. 2.) The person has to know it is grave. 3) The person has to do it anyway.
(#1)I doubt many people think eating meat on Friday is a grave matter.
(#2)I’m even more confident that the (vast?) majority would not consider (know) the issue one of grave matter.

Just my anecdotal observation/opinion. Yes, you give the traditional criteria for mortal sin correctly, and yes obeying Church law is important, though of course some “laws” are more central (important) than others. I just doubt that the majority of Catholics consider this grave matter. I’m not opining on whether they should or shouldn’t, just observing/commenting based on my experience.
 
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