Since there are so many threads about homosexuality

[atheistgirl]

I like how gay supporters always call us bigots and homophobes. Following what the bible and Christ teaches **always **equates to us being hateful bigots.

It gets comical after a while.

Don’t you mean some supporters of gay rights issues?

Sarah x

 

[AnthonySorensen]

Don’t you mean some supports of gay rights issues?

Sarah x

Don’t you mean some support[er]s of gays rights issues?

 

[atheistgirl]

Don’t you mean some support[er]s of gays rights issues?

Do you mean did I mean some supporters of gay rights issues?

That’s what I said

Sarah x

 

[CopticChristian]

I’d like to refer you to a few posters on here

Certain well educated doctors and the like believe you’re simply choosing to be a homosexual

Sarah x

Sarah,

Asking one person does not equate to what everyone that has same sex attraction equates to. Asking someone does not take into account other factors. This may humor your belief but it is a far cry from anything other than empiricism. Enjoy the belief.

If you ask an alcoholic if they are diseased, if they can ever take a drink and they say “Oh yes I am diseased…Oh yes I can never drink…” then all you have proved is that you have spoken to someone that is schooled in the disease model and has attended the religion of AA.

So when you get an answer it means that the person has a belief and that belief comes from somewhere and it means nothing more than that.

 

[atheistgirl]

Way to be an internet goon.

Come now, that’s not very charitable calling the good doctor a goon

You are a perfect mirror of the errors of your enemies.

I have no enemies.

If you see error reflected back at you, it belongs to you

Sarah x

 

[Glennford]

Come now, that’s not very charitable calling the good doctor a goon

Whoosh. Right over your head.

 

[AnthonySorensen]

Do you mean did I mean some supporters of gay rights issues?

That’s what I said

Sarah x

You don’t really need me to clarify that I meant “some” as opposed to “all”?

 

[CopticChristian]

This is what the well educated good doctor believes:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=9758733&postcount=464

He believes you can change your sexual orientation, you just have to believe you can, and you have to be rejected by the world in order to do so.

Scarey

Sarah x

Sarah,

I am not alone in this belief. I am of the belief that you can change the way you think and believe and if you don’t think that is true then you may want to study St. Paul.

You are misrepresenting my beliefs and as a Catholic to another Catholic I would say that this is tantamount to character assassination. Aquinas says that a persons good name is a precious as their life and to slander the name of another is as sinful as murder. I know you have morals, I know you have scrouples…do you really want to misrepresent me and slander my name?

This thread is about someone speaking about who they are and what they believe. Do you want to derail this Charitable thread over slander?

If you want to challenge this…I do have a thread about choice and that would be the place to full front disagree…not here

I was observing Lokabrenna and musing at the posting and wasn’t planning on posting much of anything…I found it interesting and there appeared to be no controversy…just someone putting themselves out there.

I suggest you dissuade yourself from personal affrontery and take advantage of the opportunity that was presented rather than for something other than what Lokabrenna asked for…

 

[Lokabrenna]

It seems like a lot of the issues on the list, such as hospital visits, wills and the like can be arranged through simple legal contracts.

Yes, but do you know how much of a hassle it is to file that many legal contracts? Especially when, say, if you were married, no one would question your right to visit your spouse in the hospital? A marriage contract eliminates a lot of legal busywork, as well as enabling a couple to make a public commitment to one another.

I’m also not sure why the fact they’re in a committed relationship means they should have family rights. If it’s wrong that homosexual couple don’t have those rights, how about single people? How about brothers or brother and sister? Or a group of friends? Why can’t they be granted marriage status too?

I don’t think it’s really possible to enter a committed relationship with myself (really, do I have to have permission to visit myself in the hospital?), incest is illegal for several reasons, as for a group of friends, plural marriages have happened a lot historically, but not at this point and time. Besides, same-sex couples do have families. One of my professors adopted two kids with her partner.

Or see here: revelandriot.com/resources/marriage-equality

Here’s a question for you: What do you honestly think of people who oppose same-sex marriage in a non-militant way (as in, who have no problem with homosexuals and have homosexual friends and relatives but still oppose same-sex marriage)?

I’ve talked to several people who are either homosexuals or supporters of homosexual marriage and they’ve told me in no uncertain terms that if you oppose same-sex marriage but don’t have a problem with homosexuals as individuals you are WORSE than militant homosexual bigots, because you really hate homosexuals too and are just passive aggressive and trying to put a “good face” on your bigotry.

This to me sounds a lot like the argument “I have black friends, but I’m not racist,” which really doesn’t work. You could have the most diverse group of friends in the country, but if you make racist remarks, everyone’s going to judge you based on those remarks.

As for the actual question itself, this post sums up my feelings nicely: socialjusticeleague.net/2012/04/the-revolution-will-not-be-polite-the-issue-of-nice-versus-good/

 

[atheistgirl]

Whoosh. Right over your head.

No, it didn’t, it went right over yours, but once this is posted I shall no longer see any of your posts - antagonistic from the off, so whoosh away, I shall be spared the goonery

Sarah x

 

[Glennford]

Score.

 

[Dakota_Roberts]

Sarah,

Asking one person does not equate to what everyone that has same sex attraction equates to. Asking someone does not take into account other factors. This may humor your belief but it is a far cry from anything other than empiricism. Enjoy the belief.

If you ask an alcoholic if they are diseased, if they can ever take a drink and they say “Oh yes I am diseased…Oh yes I can never drink…” then all you have proved is that you have spoken to someone that is schooled in the disease model and has attended the religion of AA.

So when you get an answer it means that the person has a belief and that belief comes from somewhere and it means nothing more than that.

If you sufficiently remove stressors to the point where they no longer feel a need to self medicate or can find them better ways to reduce stress then they probably can drink in moderation again.

 

[stewstew03]

Yes, but do you know how much of a hassle it is to file that many legal contracts?..

So… this is about convenience? Laziness?

Question: do you know how hard marriage is? Filing paperwork is a piece of cake in comparison.

 

[atheistgirl]

I know you have morals, I know you have scrouples…do you really want to misrepresent me and slander my name?

I presented your views exactly, I quoted you, and linked to the post so it could be checked I was repeating exactly what you said. My further questions in that thread clarified your position unequivocally. But not to derail this thread, best keep any further discussion to the appropriate thread.

I asked the OP if they could decide not to be homosexual - a totally relevant question to this thread. She said not. It’s a fair balance. I have someone who claims to be a doctor and a Catholic telling me homosexuals can decide not to be homosexuals on one hand, and a homosexual telling me she can’t just decide not to be a homosexual on the other.

I know who’s opinion carrys the most weight with me.

As you said, let’s keep any further discussion of this out of this thread, and into the relevant thread.

My question here to the OP was totally relevant though, in light of the claims made on the other thread. And I’m grateful for her response.

Sarah x

 

[atheistgirl]

So… this is about convenience? Laziness?
.

Why should they have to?

Sarah x

 

[CopticChristian]

I presented your views exactly, I quoted you, and linked to the post so it could be checked I was repeating exactly what you said. My further questions in that thread clarified your position unequivocally. But not to derail this thread, best keep any further discussion to the appropriate thread.

I asked the OP if they could decide not to be homosexual - a totally relevant question to this thread. She said not. It’s a fair balance. I have someone who claims to be a doctor and a Catholic telling me homosexuals can decide not to be homosexuals on one hand, and a homosexual telling me she can’t just decide not to be a homosexual on the other.

I know who’s opinion carrys the most weight with me.

As you said, let’s keep any further discussion of this out of this thread, and into the relevant thread.

My question here to the OP was totally relevant though, in light of the claims made on the other thread. And I’m grateful for her response.

Sarah x

Sarah,

read all my posts…never…never have I used anything you say or believe as anything…all I ask is that you do unto me as I do unto you…is that asking too much?

Ask all the questions you want however not to prove a point of belief or disbelief as it concerns someone else…use this thread constructively and sensitively without injecting controversy…I know you can…

My beliefs are my beliefs. Your beliefs are your beliefs. See if you can learn something that does not bring controversy to this person or dismiss yourself if you find that you cannot do that.

 

[Marc_Anthony]

This to me sounds a lot like the argument “I have black friends, but I’m not racist,” which really doesn’t work. You could have the most diverse group of friends in the country, but if you make racist remarks, everyone’s going to judge you based on those remarks.

Not what I’m saying though. I’m not making homophobic remarks. I don’t hate homosexuals. I have no problems with homosexuals. I’m just against homosexual marriage.

Anyway, your problem with contracts is the time it takes to write them? Wow.

As for gay couples having families-it depends on how you define family, doesn’t it? The thing about adoption is that being adopted is NEVER ideal. Being adopted by loving parents is making the best out of a bad situation, but ideally you would live with your biological parents.

So with homosexual adoption you’re not only not living with your biological parents, you’re not even living with a mother and father. That’s the reason I find homosexual adoption problematic.

 

[atheistgirl]

read all my posts…never…never have I used anything you say or believe as anything.

I quoted you directly and in context.

I quess it’s too hard for you not to keep this up in this thread where it’s not relevant, so I won’t be responding to anything you say further here.

Keep it for the other thread where it’s relevant.

Sarah x

 

[Marc_Anthony]

Why should they have to?

Sarah x

I don’t know. Why would my best friend and I have to?

That’s what’s at issue here, isn’t it?

 

[atheistgirl]

I don’t know. Why would my best friend and I have to?

That’s what’s at issue here, isn’t it?

Nope.

If your best friend is your wife, you don’t need to write a visitation contract.

Sarah x