Yes as i mentioned earlier, an Ahmadi would reject them as authentic - since a majority of them disregard the Hadith. They only pick and choose when necessary to back their claims of being an Ahmadi or to refute non-Muslims. When non-Muslims use it to oppose their view, they reject it. See how conveniently it works?
I think you get me wrong. I do respect Hadith, though it was not dictated by Muhammad. Muhammad only didtated Quran and hence Hadith cannot take its place. Threre are Huffaz of Quran who memorize Quran and recite it so frequently.
Thank you for taking time to explain your position. The Hadiths are essential for a Muslim to fully understand the Qu’ran, correct? One can call the Hadith a compendium to a convert’s guide to the Qu’ran. It is also essential because the Hadith compliments the Qu’ran in many aspects and confirms what Mohammad taught. No doubt, there are certain teachings found only in the Qu’ran but not in the collection of Hadiths, but many Muslims also use the Hadiths as guides for establishing Islamic laws and treatises on Sha’ria as well as guided teachings based on Mohammad’s sayings. If the woman felt paranoid, who can blame her since this is what is found in Islamic writings. Just because something isn’t found in the Qu’ran but found in the Hadiths, does not mean it is not part and parcel of Islamic thought.
My friend,Good list but murder is not sin sometime if Kafirs will not convert or will not pay jizyah then muslims can murder.And oppression?Islam always do it to women
But it does exist in Islam. If you please, let us know which hadiths you disregard, and which you accept.
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What do you expect to find out if you set your own standard to your judgement?
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It’s #2 on the list. How did you miss it?
**Drinking Khamr (wine) **
But wine (especially red wine) in considerable amounts can be a good anti-oxidant. Why is wine prohibited on earth but allowed in Syurga?
Well, to a certain extent, i can understand this prohibition. I think this may be referring to cross-dressers?
What about people with bladder problems?
What about a man’s bad conduct towards his wife? It takes two to tango.
Why is this subject (the wife) categorized together with servants, the weak and animals? I know it may look like a stupid question, but why do i get the feeling the wife is not at all as important as being up there with the husband?
Why is wearing gold and silk ha’raam to men? Is this applicable to Muslim women too? I know you don’t know the answers, but i am hoping maybe you could ask your sheikh for one.
Mind asking your sheikh? Who is supposed to be Allah’s righteous friends?
Ask your sheikh, perhaps he knows?
Thanks, nice to see you back as well.
I don’t know the meaning of the word ‘Syurga.’ Haven’t got a clue what you’re talking about, sorry. Wine is prohibited because Allah says there is some benefit in it, but more harm! There are also anti-oxidants in grape juice, which does not intoxicate. So it’s not like by avoiding alcohol you’re denying yourself anti-oxidants, which are found in many other places than red wine. Like grape juice.
I really don’t understand what the sin is supposed to be. People with bladder problems are obviously excused, though.
It’s mentioned next.
First of all, both are considered sins. The difference is that a woman is in a position slightly below her husband–she does not have (in most cases) the physical position to abuse him, while he does have that position. Just like he also has the position to abuse a child. And also, it’s just as forbidden for a woman to abuse or oppress a child as it is for a man. Or a servant. But since men tend to be stronger and have the role of protecting women, the analogy is there.
Wearing gold and sild is haraam for men (what is ha’raam anyway?) because it was prohibited by the prophet Muhammad. And because Muslim women are not men, it’s obviously not applicable to them too. And if something is prohibited in Islam it’s because it is in the best interest of the people that they avoid it. In what sense is does it harm the people? That’s what I don’t know. Some scholars have speculated: read here.
My sheikh didn’t make the list, did he?
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Syurga means heaven.
Does the Qu’ran mention people with bladder problems are excused from this ‘sin’? Why is it a sin to begin with? Who would want to pee on themselves in the first place? Mohammad told his followers to drink urine as a form of medicine (MW’s own words), so i am truly perplexed with this ‘sin’.
I think Wikipedia did organize the list as according to Muslim sources. It may not bother you but it did raise my eyebrow, because i saw it as placing the woman as an inferior being.
Not trying to egg on, but did you know the national costume of Malaysia is made of silk? Malay-Muslim men wear it, even members of their Parliament. It is also common to see Malay-Muslim men here wear silk and gold chains or bracelets and rings. Another question also arises, is silk supposed to be an exclusive material reserved only for women? Why should gold also be reserved only for women? Muslim merchants used to buy silk from China and Muslim men wore it as they crossed the Silk Trade route as silk was a cooler fabric for the desert sun.
I wasn’t trying to be patronizing. I really do want you to ask your sheikh for his explanations since you do not know them. It would also be educational for us forumers to read from his perspective.
I know, brother. How do I know it is true? Answer : Because Muhammad said so. How do I know Muhammad is right? Answer : Quran said so.
In what language?
What is the sin in the first place? Do you even know?
Then perhaps someone could find me the Muslim sources and I could learn a thing or two. But as a woman I didn’t feel inferior at all.
I really could care less. If people choose their own desires over the mandates of the Almighty, then they will have to answer for it.
I have no intention of wasting his time with silly questions like these.
In the Malay language.
Beats me. I was hoping you knew. You are the Muslim here, not me.
Ironically, most Muslim women say the same. However, some groups of women in Islam have complained about being treated as inferior beings. One such group exists in Malaysia.Then perhaps someone could find me the Muslim sources and I could learn a thing or two. But as a woman I didn’t feel inferior at all.
So are you implying all Malay-Muslim men who wear the national costume of Malaysia are apostates of Islam?
Hmmm. Is this the kind of answer a potential convert to Islam would face if he/she asks the same questions in religious classes?
And out of curiosity, why did you decide to use the Malay language?In the Malay language.
Sheikh Wiki fails us again.Beats me. I was hoping you knew. You are the Muslim here, not me.
Non-Muslim women in the USA complain about being treated as inferior beings. They get paid less for the same work (given same experience/qualifications). They complain about being viewed as sexual objects. They deal with harassment in their workplaces. They work at their careers just as hard as men do but then are expected to be perfect mothers, cooks, wives all the time.
I said I really could care less. If you want to call people apostates, then you deal with it. I certainly never suggested it, nor do I agree.
Is what the kind of answer? “No, I won’t ask my sheikh?” No that’s not the answer. That’s the answer you get since you specifically asked me to ask him and I told you I won’t because the questions are too silly for that–and you’re acting like he might reveal something profound.Hmmm. Is this the kind of answer a potential convert to Islam would face if he/she asks the same questions in religious classes?
Why not? Whether you call it Syurga, Swurgh/Swurga, Jannah, Tien-Tang or whichever language, Heaven is still Heaven. I speak 4 languages, one of them is Malay.
Maybe, but i was being sincere in asking for explanations.
How is it different from Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Morocco, Yemen? Women in some of the countries mentioned are not even allowed to drive a car, or be seen with men after dark (unless you were her husband, brother or a male relative), etc.
Isn’t that how orthodox Islam would defy them as? What do you not agree with? I’m curious.
When i was in RCIA, i asked the priest several questions - some which were beyond what normal RCIA classes usually teach. Some initiates were too afraid to ask them but i wasn’t. I will never forget what he told me - No question is a silly question. Of course, questions asked have to be sincere and not of mischevious intent. I certainly wasn’t trying to be mischevious. I know its hard to believe since you and i have been in heated arguements before, but give me the benefit of the doubt, will ya?
I wasn’t asking God to explain himself. I am asking you, the follower of your prophet to help me understand what your religious text, the scripture you believe to have been God-breathed, that inspired your prophet to have his scribes write it down. I am asking what knowledge your sheikh, a fellow Muslim, has imparted unto you.
The quest for knowledge has always been an intergral part of human civilization. Humans are capable of intelligence (as God would have intended) and also naivety (Syaitan’s best weapon). Rationalization of God’s commandments means you want to follow His teachings as closely as possible without comprimising His mercy and grace. Of course, this also means only an experienced teacher and a holy man would be the best person for the job.
There is always a reason behind every commandment from God.
God forbids alcohol in this earth & allowed it in heaven. Believers must not challenge God why He did it. We must hear & obey God. Anyway , a logical explanation is there will be no harm from wine in heaven like headache ; people won’t become drunk after taking heavenly wine.
some people in the desert were suffering from a specific decease. Then Prophet (p) told them to drink camel’s urine as a medicine . In the normal time , we are not told to take urine of camel or human being.
too bad . Just because some or many Muslims are disobeying the commands of God and His messenger , does not mean the order is invalid . All will get due punishment on the last day if die without repentance or God forgives them for their some good deeds.
to my knowledge , not all kind of silk is prohibited for men. InshaAllah I will browse for details leter.