Sins vs Unloving Choices

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I’ve (slowly) started down the path of returning to the Catholic Church and I have a few questions which I hope you folks don’t mind answering. Anyway here’s the first of many…

When we were taking to my for his first confession (probably 8-10 years ago) the word ‘sin’ was replaced with ‘unloving choice’. Is that still the case, if so what, where, who, why did it change?

Thanks in advance.
 
I’ve (slowly) started down the path of returning to the Catholic Church and I have a few questions which I hope you folks don’t mind answering. Anyway here’s the first of many…

When we were taking to my for his first confession (probably 8-10 years ago) the word ‘sin’ was replaced with ‘unloving choice’. Is that still the case, if so what, where, who, why did it change?

Thanks in advance.
Unloving Choice?! Ahhh… no, that has never been the case. Sin is sin. It’s evil. There’s no liberal sugar-coating it and the Church does not attempt to do so. God bless.
 
My best advice? Buy–or read, online, for free–The Catechism of the Catholic Church (some have ‘searchable’ engines and you can look up ‘sin’).

At time individuals–be they laity or clergy–may have made (and sometimes with the best intentions) changes which they considered made it ‘easier for people to understand’ or ‘more relevant’ in how they EXPRESSED Catholic teachings.

The teachings did not change–but for different people, there were different emphases. At that particular parish, at that particular time, it may have been one particular person or group which THOUGHT that the words ‘unloving choice’ were the best expression to use to explain ‘sin’ to children. . .and while it is certainly TRUE that since God is love, when we choose to sin we are turning FROM God and thus by definition are unloving, therefore any sin IS an ‘unloving’ choice, sin is ‘more’ than ‘just’ an unloving choice.

And yet, since it is not truly ‘wrong’ to say that, among OTHER things, sin IS an ‘unloving choice’ --and since some people will not only find this an adequate but even perhaps a HELPFUL explanation which will lead them further on in the Catholic faith–we can hopefully not ‘dwell’ on the events of the past to the detriment of carrying on into the future. None of us has had perfect and total catechesis our life long, but if we focus only on what may have been less ‘complete’ , less satisfactory, or even flat out wrong, and refuse to ‘let it go’ and to profit by it in actually going on to learn the ‘right’ and the fullness, then we are in error ourselves. At some point we have to stop blaming Father X, Sister Y, DRE Z or whatever group, person, web site or whatever was at ‘fault’ for an imperfect expression, go on ourselves to learn the ‘perfect’ expression, FORGIVE the imperfect, and continue to follow in our faith.

As Catholics, it is our responsibility to KEEP ON LEARNING OUR FAITH. Daily. We will never ‘know it all’, we will never ‘understand it completely’–but we must every day try to deepen our knowledge and understanding. So we must study our faith teachings, in order that we may best carry out our faith teachings. We are so blessed to have so many tools available now so that we do not ‘have’ to accept ONLY what we heard ‘8 to 10 years ago’ in ONE particular place, but instead can read and see in the Catechism, in the Bible, and in the many works of the ECFs (Early Church Fathers) and in the words of our own Popes and their encyclicals, what is the Catholic faith, in its entirety and fullness.

May God bless you throughout this Lent and always.
 
I have to agree with Tamtum ergo on this one. “Unloving choices” ARE sins. Somebody somewhere along the line wanted to make it easier to understand. God still expects them confessed when they are such unloving choices that they involve serious matter, deliberation, and free consent of the will, ie, a mortal sin.

Your whoever (son?) who made his first confession 8-10 years ago would be at least 15 today. I think it is time to upgrade those “unloving choices” to sins.
 
“Unloving choices” ARE sins.
While this terminology is rather bizarre, I think it is important to point out that an unloving choice need not be a sin. We make many choices in the absence of love - e.g. what color “skin” to use for this website, what route to take to church, whether we want fries with that. In most cases such a choice won’t constitute a sin.
 
While this terminology is rather bizarre, I think it is important to point out that an unloving choice need not be a sin. We make many choices in the absence of love - e.g. what color “skin” to use for this website, what route to take to church, whether we want fries with that. In most cases such a choice won’t constitute a sin.
That isn’t considered the absence of loving, at least not philosophically or theologically. It’s considered neutral.
 
A prayer of contrition during Confession can be a traditional prayer or one in personal words, as the penitent chooses. Many youngsters are taught what is seen as an “age appropriate” prayer to use during their first confession. The one my children learned didn’t call sin an “unloving choice,” but I do remember the final lines were something like “I firmly intend, with the help of Your Son, to make up for my sins and to love as I should.”

That would have been the mid-to-late 1980s . . .
 
Sin is detachment from God. God is Love. Unloving choices are the same of choosing detachment from God, thus sinning. The term while still correct from a formal point of view is misleading because its wording appears to be meant to reduce the culpability of an act.
 
Thank you all for your responses they have been most helpful.

Just to get caught up, yes it was my son and he’s 16 now. We left Catholicism and joined a Bible Church, 8-10 years ago. At that time the Catholic Church we were attending was kind of dead. In fact, the Bible Church we were attending was 50% former Catholics many from the same Catholic Church I was from.

Funny thing, the folks at the Bible church had a pretty unusual perception of Catholics and asked questions I couldn’t answer myself so I started researching the questions. Ended up begining to read the ECF and the CCC and realized I made a mistake changing to the Bible based Church. It was this research that made me realize I made a mistake and I’m on my journey back…

I attended mass for this first time in a very long time today with my 13 year old daughter. Come to find out the previous priest has passed on and there is a new priest that appears to have rejuvinated this same parish.

I need to get myself to confession (although I’m scared to call the parish and speak to the priest directly) I’m getting there… I think this starts with me and the rest of my family will follow…

Thanks again for your answers…
 
Welcome home!!!🙂 Just phone the office, ask to speak to the priest, and ask Father if he can hear your confession. If the parish has them, he can meet you in the conessional (Yes, the kind with the screens) by being in his portion of the confessional at the designated time coordinates.
 
Educating someone fully in the rich treasure of our Faith is definitely important, but I have to say, I like the that phrase “unloving choice.”

Doesn’t it seem as if people have an unrealistic idea of sin? As if it is some horrible thing like killing, raping, plundering and what not? There is a philosophy that we step over the “taboo” line of sin and God shoots us down to hell.

In this “choice” oriented society, making it clear that we choose might help a lot.
 
Educating someone fully in the rich treasure of our Faith is definitely important, but I have to say, I like the that phrase “unloving choice.”

Doesn’t it seem as if people have an unrealistic idea of sin? As if it is some horrible thing like killing, raping, plundering and what not? There is a philosophy that we step over the “taboo” line of sin and God shoots us down to hell.

In this “choice” oriented society, making it clear that we choose might help a lot.
I think the problem is that we are not seeing sin for what it really is: a deliberate act that distances us from God. If the doctor told you that you had cancer, would you not invest whatever you had in order to get cured? You treat cancer as a life-threatening disease because that is what it is.

Sin is a life-threatening disease that afflicts your immortal soul. It is darker than some buzzword or catch phrase. It is a cancer that can suck the very life out of your soul. Most of the time when Jesus worked a miracle, he not only healed the physical ailment, but, he took care of the spiritual malady as well.

The sad fact is that we hardly ever hear about the effects of sin on our souls anymore. What little we do hear is sometimes watered down, as in the case of “unloving choices.” No wonder some people don’t have any real notion of the dangers of sin! However, it’s not necessarily their fault. It’s what they hear from the ambo.
 
Thank you all for your responses they have been most helpful.

Just to get caught up, yes it was my son and he’s 16 now. We left Catholicism and joined a Bible Church, 8-10 years ago. At that time the Catholic Church we were attending was kind of dead. In fact, the Bible Church we were attending was 50% former Catholics many from the same Catholic Church I was from.

Funny thing, the folks at the Bible church had a pretty unusual perception of Catholics and asked questions I couldn’t answer myself so I started researching the questions. Ended up begining to read the ECF and the CCC and realized I made a mistake changing to the Bible based Church. It was this research that made me realize I made a mistake and I’m on my journey back…

I attended mass for this first time in a very long time today with my 13 year old daughter. Come to find out the previous priest has passed on and there is a new priest that appears to have rejuvinated this same parish.

I need to get myself to confession (although I’m scared to call the parish and speak to the priest directly) I’m getting there… I think this starts with me and the rest of my family will follow…

Thanks again for your answers…
Praise God! And, welcome home. Why fear the priest? Spend more time with them. They are truly the Lord’s visible blessing unto us. They stand “in persona Christi”. It is Jesus you are confessing to, through the priest. Suggestion: Fear sin more than the Sacrament of Reconciliation, and you will be in the right mindset.

Christ’s peace.
 
Sin by any other name is still sin. Don’t play around, call it what it is.
deacon Ed B
 
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