Sister is transgender and insists on being called male and by a male name - what can I do as a Catholic?

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Has your sister legally changed her name from Debbie to Dante? If so, that is her legal name, and you can call her by that name.

I will have to agree that when someone tries to change their sex to the opposite sex, it is very upsetting for friends and relatives. Apparently, they only care about their own pain and don’t give a rip about anyone else’s pain. My own opinion is that your physical body tells you what sex you are, and whether you “feel” like you’re a man or a woman is completely besides the point.

The only exception I would make to that is if the person had a genetic test and found they had an odd mixture of X and Y chromosomes and were not physically normal when they were born.

You normally don’t call someone “she,” when you are talking to her, so I don’t think that the pronoun is a big problem.

I think you should be nice to your sister and very polite when you see her, even though this upsets you. You can also tell her you are sorry and didn’t mean to upset her, and that you both need to “agree to disagree”.
 
Use your heart. If she wants to change her name to Dante, then call her Dante. What if you refuse to use Dante as your sister’s preferred name and this causes a permanent rift between the two of you? Is it worth it to forgo a relationship that might grow and develop over the years? Sometimes being stubborn is useful, in other cases it just causes more problems. 🤷
 
Apparently, they only care about their own pain and don’t give a rip about anyone else’s pain.
This statement is grotesquely presumptuous.

Many who are transgender repress their condition for years or even decades, because they do “give a rip” about everyone else’s pain. Often to the point of virtually ceasing to exist as a person - many experience being reduced to an empty shell as the years go. But sooner or later, it invariably comes to the point where one’s own pain becomes unbearable - it becomes a matter of life and death.

Parents, siblings and loved ones of those who are transgender and choose to transition are lucky. In 40% of cases, transgender people die from suicide before they even get to that point. Those who are near to someone who transitions should be glad the person chose life. It is not an obvious choice.

To the OP: Contrary to popular belief, the Church does not condemn transgender people, and the medical treatments (hormones, surgery), are allowed for as a last resort. Most importantly, there is no doctrine on this. There is a disciplinary document (SMGS linked to an article about it earlier), and it is cautionary, but does not condemn such treatment - to the contrary, it allows for it. So you are in no way prohibited by the Church to call your sibling by the male pronoun and chosen name.

Additionally, charity and just simply common courtesy dictates that we respect people’s wishes when it comes to how we address them (except when compliance would involve idolatry, but that is hardly the case here I think 🙂 ). The charitable choice is to address your sibling like they ask to be addressed; perhaps even more so when it’s about something as deeply personal as this. For someone who is transgender, being called by the wrong (from their own perspective) pronouns or name feels like being cut by a sword. Respecting their wishes costs you so little (other parts of the process may cost you more, but seriously, switching names/pronouns takes no effort at all), and will gain you so much in terms of trust and respect.

And that last part is essential: If you ever want to evangelize your sibling, transgender or not, a sour relationship isn’t a good place to start, especially not if the relationship was soured because of your perception of what the Church teaches on the issue. He needs you now - please be there for him.
 
Use your heart. If she wants to change her name to Dante, then call her Dante. What if you refuse to use Dante as your sister’s preferred name and this causes a permanent rift between the two of you? Is it worth it to forgo a relationship that might grow and develop over the years? Sometimes being stubborn is useful, in other cases it just causes more problems. 🤷
I agree, if your sibling is in fact transgender there is very little chance that this will change. You need to decide what you want long term out of your relationship with your sibling, your stand is not going to change any thing, how ever if you reach out to your sibling in love and with a charitable heart, both of you have much to gain.

Perhaps try and make a examination of conscience to find the root cause of your opinion, if it is not based on catholic doctrine pray for the strength to reach out in love.

I understand it is not easy, but to quote our Pope, “who am I to judge?” Leave that to God.
Take care
 
Maybe I would understand this condition better if I could understand what it is like to be a man trapped in a woman’s body or a woman trapped in a man’s body.

I’m a woman, and I don’t have a clue what a woman is supposed to feel like in a woman’s body. I am even more clueless about how a man feels in his “man” body.

As far as I am concerned, I am just a person who happens to have a woman’s body. That makes me a woman.

It might help me if I could figure out just what upsets these people so much.
 
Thank you for sharing, with all Christian Charity the article referenced is NOT official Catholic Church teaching. It is printed by a newspaper that has been against the official church on many matters. This is no secret, it is right in their mission statement! They do not claim to be an official church newspaper but an “alternative Catholic voice.”

I am not criticizing this newspaper. This is a free country and they are free to print what they wish. Just making sure that people are aware this is not official church teaching.

Naturally people with disagree with the Church and always will. However if the original poster was seeking a Church document on this matter, this is not it. God bless.
The article was originally printed by CNS, but they don’t archive that far back. This is clearly stated above the article. So unless you mean that CNS is heterodox, your argument fails.

You are however correct that the document is not teaching - something I, by the way, did not state. But you see, there is no teaching on or relevant to this issue. There is only discipline - and the discipline isn’t even official.

In said, unofficial discipline, SRS (and by implication HRT) is allowed for, with caution. It is most certainly not condemned. You are as a Catholic free to disapprove of the condition (which would require rejecting an increasing amount of scientific data, but then the Church does not condemn ignorance either), but you are not free to claim that the treatment is condemned by the Church. Such insistence is anything but orthodox.
 
If neither ‘Debbie’ nor ‘Dante’ works for both of you, how about ‘Sib’, short for “sibling”? That applies to both sexes.

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My husband does this, with his brother, who is currently living as a woman.

(I’m sort of stuck, as I don’t think “sibling-in-law” is an actual phrase, and I just can’t bring myself to address him in the feminine. The English language needs more gender-neutral terms!!!)
 
The article was originally printed by CNS, but they don’t archive that far back. This is clearly stated above the article. So unless you mean that CNS is heterodox, your argument fails.

You are however correct that the document is not teaching - something I, by the way, did not state. But you see, there is no teaching on or relevant to this issue. There is only discipline - and the discipline isn’t even official.

In said, unofficial discipline, SRS (and by implication HRT) is allowed for, with caution. It is most certainly not condemned. You are as a Catholic free to disapprove of the condition (which would require rejecting an increasing amount of scientific data, but then the Church does not condemn ignorance either), but you are not free to claim that the treatment is condemned by the Church. Such insistence is anything but orthodox.
I’m sorry Rin, what do you mean by “unofficial?” As I would understand it, the document is most definitely binding on Bishops unless they receive dispensation for a special case.
WOW! I was very, very surprised to read this. Fascinating that the Church can condone treatment for transsexuals.
Most people don’t know that the Church allows for the surgery. It’s an issue that the Church is taking a very cautionary route on, which is very smart in my opinion. She doesn’t want to bless same-sex marriages, for example. If the condition is licit, then marrying a transgender person to a person of their identified sex would be a homosexual marriage. And if the condition is illicit, marrying a transgender person to a person opposite to their identified sex would be a homosexual marriage. So it was very prudent at the time, with no scientific research done on the issue at that point, to just issue a blanket ban on marriage [and Holy Orders, which also requires one be a certain sex].

Only the most conservative Protestant religions currently absolutely bar consideration of transsexualism as licit. Islam accepts it (and draws a huge distinction between those with the medical condition [transsexuals], whose treatment is paid for under Sharia law, and crossdressers/paraphiles [transvestites], who can be executed), orthodox Judaism allows for individual consideration I believe, most Eastern and tribal religions accept it, and Catholicism has cautionary bans on the Sacraments of Holy Orders and Matrimony in place but allows for surgical treatment of the medical condition (while affirming that everyone must be male OR female, and that one’s sex is unchangable).
 
Maybe I would understand this condition better if I could understand what it is like to be a man trapped in a woman’s body or a woman trapped in a man’s body.

I’m a woman, and I don’t have a clue what a woman is supposed to feel like in a woman’s body. I am even more clueless about how a man feels in his “man” body.

As far as I am concerned, I am just a person who happens to have a woman’s body. That makes me a woman.

It might help me if I could figure out just what upsets these people so much.
Same here. What I think is that people have bought so thoroughly into gender stereotypes, they look at the stereotype of their own gender and say, “Well, that’s nothing like me. Therefore, I must be the opposite sex, in reality.”

They don’t realize that nobody is like that. Real girls don’t like pink (or don’t care one way or the other about it) so not liking pink doesn’t make you “a boy in a girl’s body.” Actually, it makes you a perfectly normal girl. Just as an example.
 
I love people for who they are as people (kind, thoughtful, compassionate etc.) not for their gender identification and certainly not for their name. If someone I loved wanted me to start calling them by a dog’s name I’d do it … here’s my friend Fido, because if that’s what makes them happy, what does it matter to me?

Love your sister and don’t break off ties with her. She is fighting a battle you and I can’t imagine.
 
I’m sorry Rin, what do you mean by “unofficial?” As I would understand it, the document is most definitely binding on Bishops unless they receive dispensation for a special case.
I simply mean that it’s not known to the public, or at least shouldn’t be, in theory; it was issued sub secretum. Perhaps “not public” would be a better choice of words - I’m afraid the terms are conflated in my own language.

The document is most definitely binding on Bishops, but it can also be easily changed, or even denied, by Rome. This is a good thing really, for two reasons. First, it means they were aware that the document would not be the final word on the issue - if else, it would have been released open to the public. Second, given the attention the document received when it was leaked, we can be certain that it is indeed real, as Rome would have denied it immediately if it wasn’t (especially since it was reported on by reputable sites like CNS) - or, in some cases, if they realized they’ve missed the mark so to say.

This wouldn’t be the first time something like that happened - a guest professor (and priest) I had who has worked in Rome for decades once said in class that it is a fairly common phenomenon. According to him, such leaks even happen intentionally for this exact purpose (testing the waters), regularly in the newspaper L’Osservatore Romano. The Italian concept of “semi-public” (or pretty much any term preceded by “semi”) is quite interesting and at times entertaining.
 
Same here. What I think is that people have bought so thoroughly into gender stereotypes, they look at the stereotype of their own gender and say, “Well, that’s nothing like me. Therefore, I must be the opposite sex, in reality.”

They don’t realize that nobody is like that. Real girls don’t like pink (or don’t care one way or the other about it) so not liking pink doesn’t make you “a boy in a girl’s body.” Actually, it makes you a perfectly normal girl. Just as an example.
I’m sorry, but this is too superficial.

Transsexualism has nothing whatsoever to do with gender stereotype. It has to do with how the brain handles hormones produced by the gonads. The condition would persist if stranded alone and naked on a deserted island.

Most transgender people are very much aware that nobody is like the gender stereotypes. It’s actually a source of frustration for many, since they themselves (including me) aren’t, but many of the traditional (and useless) psychometric tests traditionally used by many gender clinics are based on gender stereotype. So in countries where such tests are still used, transgender people have to adapt to said stereotypes to receive treatment - this again reinforces the idea that trans women are overly feminine and trans men are overly masculine. It’s stupid.

In reality, trans women are everything from extremely feminine to tomboys. Trans men are everything from extremely masculine to very feminine (for a man). Trans people fill the entire spectrum (not to be confused with gender spectrum theory - I just didn’t find a better word) of personalities belonging to either gender. Their only common trait is gender dysphoria - extreme distress caused by one’s physical traits, especially caused by the gonads producing the wrong hormones. Many trans women feel comfortable as “butch” women, while many trans men feel comfortable as effeminate. Transsexualism has nothing whatsoever to do with gender stereotype.

Personally, I have traits that are stereotypically female, and traits that are stereotypically male. This is why such stereotyping doesn’t work. The facts that in the end made me “give up” and pursue transgender treatment are on a much deeper level.

It has to do with social traits; especially for a “male” with Asperger’s, I am abnormally good at reading female social cues but still completely hopeless at reading male social cues - this is why I simply hate going to “guys’ nights out”, while I enjoy “girls’ nights”. In addition to disliking the typical activities in the former, I also just don’t connect with the people there. This is also why I can count my male friends on one hand, while my female friends are far more numerous.

But even social traits are in my view not enough; there are men who may interact socially that way too. The deciding factor was the long-term, complete distress caused by testosterone poisoning during puberty. The horror at seeing my body change into something that wasn’t me; it’s far worse than simply “not liking” the changes - I was completely horrified. I once found myself in the kitchen with a kitchen knife, trying to find the courage to correct myself - thankfully, I didn’t, as it would most probably have killed me.

Now if this distress had passed, it would be one thing - but it didn’t. I managed to repress it for years due to fearing the social ramifications of pursuing transition - after a few years, I had repressed it to the point of not even being consciously aware of my struggle, it only returned in dreams and “weak” moments. However, in my late twenties, I finally got body hair (had close to none before then), and the dysphoria rebounded like crazy. At one point, I came close to dissociative depersonalization - my body just felt like a sort of attachment to my head, and not something that really belonged to me. At that point I was truly in danger of suicide - that I currently live is due to luck, or God, or both.

In addition, to even make repression possible, I numbed myself by disconnecting from emotion, to the point of my parents sometimes asking me where I disappeared to - they in many ways felt they could no longer see the happy, albeit troubled, child I used to be. I still had the occasional autistic tantrum (though thankfully rare and never in public or among friends, so most people actually don’t know about my condition), and I could enjoy things, but I was never really happy. My parents in many ways felt they had lost their child - which is why they’re happy to accept the changes I’m making, if it can help restore some of what I used to be as a little girl.

The above is what gender dysphoria is about. I may like pink (and insisted on wearing it as a child), but it really has nothing do do with me liking pink. There’s no need to grow breasts to wear pink. I wore pink shirts to my suits even in my repressed period. I only stopped when people made me aware that I looked like a Lutheran bishop.

It has to do with extreme suffering and pain, which can only be dealt with by removing its cause, which is hormonal. Preferences in toys and clothes may indicate a problem, since such preferences have been shown to be, to an extent, biological - children generally do choose toys “appropriate” to their gender even when presented with both. But erasing such gender differences would not erase the transgender condition.

I kind of digressed a bit here, but I hope at least this makes it somewhat easier to understand how transgender people feel - it’s probably impossible to understand for someone who isn’t in the same situation, but at least people should know that it is a lot deeper than wanting to wear pink. I have in many ways lost two decades of my life to trying to repress this condition - and I’m among the lucky ones.
 
Same here. What I think is that people have bought so thoroughly into gender stereotypes, they look at the stereotype of their own gender and say, “Well, that’s nothing like me. Therefore, I must be the opposite sex, in reality.”

They don’t realize that nobody is like that. Real girls don’t like pink (or don’t care one way or the other about it) so not liking pink doesn’t make you “a boy in a girl’s body.” Actually, it makes you a perfectly normal girl. Just as an example.
I would like to add that if someone thinks she’s a man in a woman’s body, I hope she isn’t using Victoria’s Secret as her example of womanhood. I used to watch “Leave it to Beaver” on TV years ago. On that show, Mrs. Cleaver wore a nice dress all of the time, and she cooked and ran the vacuum cleaner in her high heels! I used to think that was very funny.

When I was growing up in the 1950’s, I knew old ladies who were born in the late 1800’s. Some of them came from foreign countries. They wore dumpy looking dresses and sensible shoes. They usually wore their hair in a bun. They were very much overweight, and they didn’t even know what makeup was! They wore undershirts instead of bras. They had large families and were excellent cooks. They grew huge gardens, and they weren’t afraid to go out and help their husbands plow the fields.

My idea of a feminine woman is definitely not a Barbie Doll!
 
Here is a recent headline regarding allegedly how the Pope feels about gender theology:

lifesitenews.com/news/austrian-bishop-pope-francis-told-me-gender-ideology-is-demonic
First of all, CAF moderators have advised against using LSN as a source, as they have heavy biases that taint their articles.

However, ignoring that, gender ideology has nothing to do with transsexualism; they are actually polar opposites of each other. Gender ideology (or gender spectrum theory or genderqueer theory, as it is also known as) teaches that our genders are fluid and purely the product of social conditioning, that our genitalia are physical constructs defined for us by society, that anyone can choose their gender at any time, and that gender is malleable. It also holds that gender has no inherent meaning.

Transsexualism, however, is a medical condition where someone has a birth defect in-utero that causes their genitalia to proceed in the wrong direction. It has a scientific basis for it, with conclusive evidence that transsexuals have dichotomous brain structures consistent with their identified sex and inconsistent with the sex their genitalia are associated with. Transsexuals vehemently deny gender ideology and would largely agree that it is a ridiculous theory. In fact, you are significantly more likely to find gender ideology defenders amongst opponents of transsexualism (including on this forum!!!) who use it to try to argue that it is impossible for transsexualism to exist, as transsexualism could only exist in a world where gender has meaning.

Be careful about confusing Pope Benedict’s harsh words (and now potentially Francis’s words too, if the article is actually correct, though I don’t usually operate on hearsay, especially not from lifesitenews) regarding genderqueer theory. They are not the same thing as transsexualism at all. Radical feminists support genderqueer theory and oppose transsexualism (you should read up on the “womyn born womyn” movement, for an example). On the flip side, transsexualism is proof that Catholic teaching on gender is correct, as it proves that gender has inherent meaning, that we are all male or female, and that our genders are not malleable.
 
“First of all, CAF moderators have advised against using LSN as a source, as they have heavy biases that taint their articles.”

I did not see anything in the “sticky” notes of this forum banning use of this particular news source.

If the moderators choose to remove it, that is their decision.
 
“First of all, CAF moderators have advised against using LSN as a source, as they have heavy biases that taint their articles.”

I did not see anything in the “sticky” notes of this forum banning use of this particular news source.

If the moderators choose to remove it, that is their decision.
LSN isn’t banned. It’s just been advised against.
 
Hello! My sister Debbie is insisting that we call her by her chosen male name, “Dante,” and refer to her in male terms. I explained to her, that as a Catholic, I could not do this or support her decision to live in this way, nor her intimate relationship with another transgendered woman living as a male. I told her that she was born my sister, and will always be my sister, and that I will always love her, but that I could not go along with or support this. She is now refusing to speak to me and calling me “disrespectful” because I told her the truth of what the church teaches and my feelings about her decision. (Though my sister is not Catholic, I felt that I should explain the churches stance on this, regardless, as my Catholic faith is a huge part of my identity.) What do I do in this situation?

Sincerely,

Samantha
If your sister was born a biological female then that’s what she is forever no matter what she thinks, says or feels, or how she dresses or acts, or what medication or surgery she might have. She is not a male. I agree with the others who recommend praying for her
 
Would you be okay calling her ‘D’ and avoiding third person pronouns? Especially at family functions. I don’t think this would be embracing her choice, rather, it would keep the door open to her.

You have given her the Church teachings. Unfortunately, at the moment her mind is made up. Arguing with her will make her feel like a martyr and possibly impede her acceptance of God. It may also cause problems for others when they feel they have to take sides.
I talked to her about this option, and thankfully she accepted and agreed to these terms. That way, both of us are happy, and I’m not forced to call her by male terms and a male name in public.👍
 
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