Sister's abortion approval draws automatic excommunication

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Zatzat said:
I think the issue is that she chose to make a decision. She wanted to make a decision and I would suspect that she thought she was certain that she was doing the right thing.
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ABSOLUTELY…Sister chose to make a “statement”…That "statement’ came at the cost of 1; Not defending the Baby 2: Bringing scandal to Catholic Teachings.

A pretty sickening venue IMHO to make a “statement”.

Sister, was no hero to sanctification / reverence of ALL life … nor Catholic Teachings IMHO…She placed her “statement” Above these…in this case
 
phoenixrrt62 said:
So, under the tenants of your religion, you do not kill a child, no matter what? Right?
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Yes, you do not bring directed harm. to innocent life.
I think I am understanding this.
So, if the sister didn’t have to vote…I’m guessing here that not all on the committee are RC.
That, yeah, I can understand. I am guessing she wanted to make a point that it was something that needed to be done, and that she was in agreement, and therefore she broke the tenant of your religion?
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She absolutely knew It involved a Direct abortion Directed attack ] She knew it was to treat innocent life, as the disease…BOTH very much anti-Catholic Teachings.
and now she is no longer RC?
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It is my understanding that The Good Sister has since repented …As a repentant sinner she is now in full Communion with Catholicism
(darn, I have to get, my battery is dying on the netbook…)
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Ohhh oh:)
 
Zatzat said:
Perhpas something along the lines of;

I lived a good life, now let us enjoy eternity in heaven.
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Wouldn’t it be more accurate to say,

“Sorry I had to kill you in order to live a good life. No hard feelings?”
 
FidesSpesCarita said:
Protection of others comes into play only when there is a threat of physical violence. If someone has a gun to your head and is about to pull the trigger, I would be licitly allowed to stop them by any means up toi and including their death.

If someone is passing a disease (no threat of imminent death) it would be morally illicit to kill that person except as an ABSOLUTE last resort (i.e. if there is no way to contain them and they are doing it purposefully).

In this case, as kimmie put it, the child was not a disease, not the primary cause, there was no intent to harm on the baby’s part, etc. etc. Therefore it is NEVER morally licit to kill the baby.

Essentially it comes down to intent. Does the one being killed INTEND harm? If so it is morally permissible in some situations to kill them and spare another. If there is no INTENT of harm, it is never permissible to end their life. The ends cannot justify the means, else all things be allowed.

But thats just one man’s opinion.

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👍👍
 
Ockham said:
Wouldn’t it be more accurate to say,

“Sorry I had to kill you in order to live a good life. No hard feelings?”
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It’s not up to the child to forgive,it’s up to God,and if one dies with an unrepented mortal sin blackening one’s soul.,I wouldn’t hol;d up much hope.But all this is moot as athiests know there is no afterlife,nor punishment,nor reward,so they are free to live their lives according to their own relative morality.Good luck with all that.👍
 
kimmielittle said:
ABSOLUTELY…Sister chose to make a “statement”…That "statement’ came at the cost of 1; Not defending the Baby 2: Bringing scandal to Catholic Teachings.

A pretty sickening venue IMHO to make a “statement”.

Sister, was no hero to sanctification / reverence of ALL life … nor Catholic Teachings IMHO…She placed her “statement” Above these…in this case
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She saved a life.
 
Ockham said:
Wouldn’t it be more accurate to say,

“Sorry I had to kill you in order to live a good life. No hard feelings?”
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I’d think not. Heaven is paradise, there are no hard feelings, only bliss.
 
Soutane said:
.But all this is moot as athiests know there is no afterlife,nor punishment,nor reward,so they are free to live their lives according to their own relative morality.Good luck with all that.👍
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Luck is an illusion.
 
Zatzat said:
She saved a life.
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Actually, there is no logic to this statement, as I proved it false. Until you offer evidence contrary to what I stated…

If anything , she promoted talking Direct Action against life.
 
Zatzat said:
I’d think not. Heaven is paradise, there are no hard feelings, only bliss.
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How convenient. Of course this is assuming God overlooks that whole, “Thou shall not kill” thing He wrote.

The blissful nature of Heaven is exactly why we should not sin on Earth.
 
Ockham said:
How convenient. Of course this is assuming God overlooks that whole, “Thou shall not kill” thing He wrote.

The blissful nature of Heaven is exactly why we should not sin on Earth.
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The question was solely based upon the woman meeting her baby in heaven. If the woman is in heaven and meeting her aborted baby…that means she’s been accepted into the Kingdom and all her sins have been forgiven.
 
No clarification necessary. Moral relativism isn’t that hard to understand.

Perhaps you’ve forgotten the Last Four Things: Death. Judgement. Heaven. Hell.
 
Ockham said:
No clarification necessary. Moral relativism isn’t that hard to understand.

Perhaps you’ve forgotten the Last Four Things: Death. Judgement. Heaven. Hell.
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Are you sure it’s a Catholic teaching that damned souls go to heaven first where they are subjected to interogation from those they’ve siined against?

If yes, please provide your sources that support this theological position.

Thank you.
 
The Church teaches we are judged after death. There are two permanent destinations and one temporary (Purgatory). Judge yourself accordingly.
 
Ockham said:
The Church teaches we are judged after death. There are two permanent destinations and one temporary (Purgatory). Judge yourself accordingly.
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Hold on here…you’ve made a very strong assertion that the woman is going to have to answer some tough questions in heaven from the baby she aborted or at the very leastl she’ll have to explain herself…to the baby.

I’ve asked you to provide sources to back up your claim, proving that your belief is both Catholic and theologically sound.

You’ve not done that, you’ve completely avoided my challenge.

Is it a Catholic belief that when people die, they go to heaven where they are questioned by the souls of all who they’ve sinned against while on earth? Pleaser provide your source if yes.

You are forgetting one thing. This woman can repent and receive her reward, eternity in heaven with God.

Lastly, how is it you are certain that this baby is in heaven, when even your own Cathokic Church cannot make any such guarantee?
 
Zatzat said:
Hold on here…you’ve made a very strong assertion that the woman is going to have to answer some tough questions in heaven from the baby she aborted or at the very leastl she’ll have to explain herself…to the baby.

I’ve asked you to provide sources to back up your claim, proving that your belief is both Catholic and theologically sound.

You’ve not done that, you’ve completely avoided my challenge.

Is it a Catholic belief that when people die, they go to heaven where they are questioned by the souls of all who they’ve sinned against while on earth? Pleaser provide your source if yes.

You are forgetting one thing. This woman can repent and receive her reward, eternity in heaven with God.

Lastly, how is it you are certain that this baby is in heaven, when even your own Cathokic Church cannot make any such guarantee?
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Only you are saying that.
Ockham didn’t even imply it.
 
Zatzat said:
Hold on here…you’ve made a very strong assertion that the woman is going to have to answer some tough questions in heaven from the baby she aborted or at the very leastl she’ll have to explain herself…to the baby.

I’ve asked you to provide sources to back up your claim, proving that your belief is both Catholic and theologically sound.

You’ve not done that, you’ve completely avoided my challenge.

Is it a Catholic belief that when people die, they go to heaven where they are questioned by the souls of all who they’ve sinned against while on earth? Pleaser provide your source if yes.

You are forgetting one thing. This woman can repent and receive her reward, eternity in heaven with God.

Lastly, how is it you are certain that this baby is in heaven, when even your own Cathokic Church cannot make any such guarantee?
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catharina said:
Only you are saying that.
Ockham didn’t even imply it.
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Ockham said:
What will this woman say to her child if by God’s mercy she meets him or her in Heaven?

St. Gianna pray for her.
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Ockham did imply it, but only as a “What if” statement. The intent was not to say that it will, must, or even may happen. It was a hypothetical. And we cannot be certain that the baby is in heaven, but we can have Hope, the theological version of Hope (i.e. I have certain hope in the salvation attained for me by my Lord Jesus Christ), not the colloquial version of hope (i.e. I dont think the Red Sox will win the world series this year, but I hope so).

There is no need to kick a dead horse here Zatzat, there was no intention of a mandatory meeting in Heaven.

Lets move on to the next topic, like under what circumstances you would say abortion was a good thing.

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FidesSpesCarita said:
Ockham did imply it, but only as a “What if” statement. The intent was not to say that it will, must, or even may happen. It was a hypothetical. And we cannot be certain that the baby is in heaven, but we can have Hope, the theological version of Hope (i.e. I have certain hope in the salvation attained for me by my Lord Jesus Christ), not the colloquial version of hope (i.e. I dont think the Red Sox will win the world series this year, but I hope so).

There is no need to kick a dead horse here Zatzat, there was no intention of a mandatory meeting in Heaven.

Lets move on to the next topic, like under what circumstances you would say abortion was a good thing.

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Still, I see no implication of this:

“Is it a Catholic belief that when people die, they go to heaven where they are questioned by the souls of all who they’ve sinned against while on earth?”

You do, I don’t.
 
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