Six new cardinals to be appointed, Archbishop Vincent Nichols of Westminster not among them

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English and Welsh Catholics may be surprised to note that Archbishop Vincent Nichols of Westminster is not among those named this time.
It does seem a bit unusual. A common practice is not to elevate a current archbishop to cardinal if his predecessor is already a cardinal and is younger than 80. However, Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O’Connor, the former archbishop of Westminster, turned 80 two months ago.
 
It was announced after the Papal general audience this morning that a consistory is to take place on November, 24 during which Pope Benedict XVI will appoint six new cardinals.

English and Welsh Catholics may be surprised to note that Archbishop Vincent Nichols of Westminster is not among those named this time.

Full details: visnews-en.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/consistory-for-creation-of-six-new.html
I guess this time Pope Benedict is sticking strictly with the cap of 120 Cardinal Electors. Maybe next time. :o

This is definitely a smaller consistory. And the last one was just this past February. That’s only 9 months in between. The last time there was less than a year in between consistories was over 50 years ago.
 
I guess this time Pope Benedict is sticking strictly with the cap of 120 Cardinal Electors. Maybe next time. :o

This is definitely a smaller consistory. And the last one was just this past February. That’s only 9 months in between. The last time there was less than a year in between consistories was over 50 years ago.
Are there any explanations for this unusually timed consistory, I wonder?

I mean, I am very happy that Archbishop Tagle of the Philippines is to be made a Cardinal but it makes me wonder why the Holy Father has dispensed with the usual time-frame for the first time since 1929.

Hmm…is there a sense of urgency? I’m probably barking up the wrong tree, the Pope might just feel that there is a need for six more cardinals to reach the 120 mark for electors 🤷
 
Are there any explanations for this unusually timed consistory, I wonder?

I mean, I am very happy that Archbishop Tagle of the Philippines is to be made a Cardinal but it makes me wonder why the Holy Father has dispensed with the usual time-frame for the first time since 1929.

Hmm…is there a sense of urgency? I’m probably barking up the wrong tree, the Pope might just feel that there is a need for six more cardinals to reach the 120 mark for electors 🤷
Consistories are generally called at the Pope’s leisure, so there probably won’t be an explanatory note in that regard. :o We could always speculate, but that’s probably not productive.

There were three consistories really close together in December 1959, March 1960, and January 1961. That’s three consistories in just over 13 months. It’s not the norm, but there doesn’t seem to be any discernible pattern. As the Holy Spirit moves, I presume.
 
Archbishop Nichols is considered a bit liberal. Maybe that has something to do with it.
 
Archbishop Nichols is considered a bit liberal. Maybe that has something to do with it.
Yes, quite, I think that that has a lot to do with it. I regularly read the columns from Damian Thompson at the Guardian, and though he doesn’t post on religious matters that much anymore, he used to almost solely right about the Church of England, and the Catholic Church in England and Wales [He is a Catholic].

Anyways, calling Archbishop Vincent Nichols “a bit liberal” is an understatement from what I’ve read about him.

I encourage y’all to do your own research… I won’t post any links that might be deemed inappropriate just because they are from a blog from a journalist who has criticisms of an Archbishop [Which I’ve been penalized before for].

Just do the research. From what I’ve read, I wouldn’t be surprised if Pope Benedict never made Archbishop Nichols a Cardinal.
 
Yes, quite, I think that that has a lot to do with it. I regularly read the columns from Damian Thompson at the Guardian, and though he doesn’t post on religious matters that much anymore, he used to almost solely right about the Church of England, and the Catholic Church in England and Wales [He is a Catholic].
Two years ago, Damian Thompson wrote that he thought Archbishop Nichols deserved to be cardinal.
blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100059899/archbishop-vincent-nichols-misses-out-on-cardinals-hat/

Did Thompson change is his mind, or has Abp. Nichols changed dramatically during the past two years?

I have only a passing acquaintance with Damian Thompson’s columns, and know nothing about Archbishop Nichols, so any information would be helpful.
 
English and Welsh Catholics may be surprised to note that Archbishop Vincent Nichols of Westminster is not among those named this time.
I am Scottish and I - and anyone else from the UK who has commented on the new Cardinals to me - am delighted that Nichols has not got a red hat yet.

I have nothing against the man personally, nor have I ever met him and I do acknowledge he does do a lot of good work (especially for the homeless and destitute of London).

However he fails to robustly articulate or defend church teaching on modern contentious issues (homosexuality, abortion etc). He tries to please everyone and find nuanced positions which do not really work/help. His critics call him “quisling” which is a pretty derogatory term for any type of leader.

In my lifetime so far, it has generally been the case that the Scottish Bishops have been far more outspoken and proactive than have their English/Welsh brothers. This was very stark recently during “gay marriage” debates. The main Scottish Bishops are fearless and combatative, probably as a result of Scotland being very hostile to Catholics until quite recently.

Defenders of Nichols and Co say they try to take a more constructive, non-confrontational approach, but really I (and many others) feel they are rather comfortable in their positions and prefer to keep their heads under the parapet, rather than rock the boat on any matter. One might say they are part of a rather cosy English establishment.

The English Bishops have in my lifetime been liberal, anti-tradition and generally gun-shy. However, there seems to be a new breed coming through, such as (new) Bishop Mark Davies. Retired Cardinal Cormac Murphy O’Connor, (Nichols identikit predecessor in Westminster), is said to have commented that he was disgusted that someone like Davies (pro-tradition, outspoken, very loyal), could be made a Bishop in England.

The main thing about Nichols which has got people’s backs up is his toleration of the “soho masses”. These are special “gay masses” held in London (soho) and have led to various outrages which have upset and offended the wider Catholic community.

Now, of course, Catholics who experience same sex attraction should never be marginalsied and are as welcome and entitled to attend masses and receive support as any other Catholic. However, people can not understand why gay Catholics cannot just attend mass with the rest of us. It is widely felt that these “gay masses” undermine Church teaching and give a platform for opponents of the Church who wish to change or harm it. These masses as seen as a trojan horse.

I would never wish to see anyone excluded or hurt, but the organisers of these masses are clearly trying to cause a stir. Things which have caused upset include:
  • transvestites (men dressed as women) doing the bidding prayers during the mass
  • bidding prayers being used to openly deny / challenge / criticise Church teaching on homosexuality
  • rainbow flags being hung in the Church
Videos of all this made it onto you-tube, of course.

Additionally, the organisers are also invovled in gay pride parades and websites which attack and defame the Church and our Pope.

Archbishop Nichols has tolerated all of this without comment and is widely said to simply ignore letters of concern about these.

People regularly protest outside these masses and many letters to the CDF have been written.

This scandal has been running for years and it seemed no-one was ever going to do anything about it, but there seems a bit of movement on it now, it seems the new guy Archbishop Muller in the CDF is the difference:

marymagdalen.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/abp-muller-to-act-on-soho-masses.html

protectthepope.com/?p=5850

mundabor.wordpress.com/2012/10/19/soho-masses-changes-in-sight/

eponymousflower.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/cdf-archbishop-mueller-to-tackle-lgbt.html

I do wonder if Muller sees this as a good opportunity to parade his own credentials. I know many, especially the SSPX, were concerned about him when he was given the CDF gig, so maybe this is a chance for him to robustly defend Chruch teaching on a matter.

I would like to see Nichols replaced in Westminster, with a Bishop like Mark Davies, as soon as possible, but we are probably stuck with him for years to come. 😦
 
Two years ago, Damian Thompson wrote that he thought Archbishop Nichols deserved to be cardinal.
blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100059899/archbishop-vincent-nichols-misses-out-on-cardinals-hat/

Did Thompson change his mind, or has Abp. Nichols changed dramatically during the past two years?

I have only a passing acquaintance with Damian Thompson’s columns, and know nothing about Archbishop Nichols, so any information would be helpful.
Well, at the bottom of that post… which I nearly linked to yesterday, there is a tag of "Archbishop Vincent Nichols… and Damian has probably written 50 articles on him, maybe more.

When Pope Benedict XVI visited the U.K. Archbishop Vincent Nichols and others attempted to add their voice to the itinerary. Namely, one might say, that they tried to water-down the desired Liturgy of the Pope. Actually, Damian Thompson said that in a few of his columns.

The other subject of interest, and which Thompson writes about ad-nauseum is a row over what Archbishop Nichols did concerning a Catholic school in the U.K. Thompson assigns a lot of blame to Archbishop Nichols for the general woeful state of Catholic education in the U.K.

Here’s a link to another post from that very link which you quoted:
blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100058434/archbishop-vincent-nichols-deserves-his-red-hat-%E2%80%93-sooner-rather-than-later/

Basically, Damian is trying to sound magnanimous because he thinks England/Wales should at least have 1 voting age Cardinal at all times… even though he’s been a long time critic of Archbishop Nichols. Even in his reasoning of why Archbishop Nichols should be made Cardinal he says “I wish he would be more relaxed about the Latin mass”…

Which is worded a whole lot softer than in earlier columns on the matter. Again, just click the tag under your article, and get to reading away! While Thompson might want his local Church to have a voting Cardinal, he knows full well that Pope Benedict XVI sees things very differently than Archbishop Nichols does…
Damian Thompson:
Archbishop Nichols isn’t from the same tradition as Pope Benedict – he’s a former protégé of Derek Worlock, after all.

but he will need to act as a bridge between Magic Circle hierarchs who still think we’re living in the aftermath of Vatican II and a future generation of priests whose instincts are more conservative than his own
And again, that’s when Thompson is being nice.
 
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