six nuns excommunicated for heresy!

[Montalban]

Doesn’t this statement fall under moral relativism? Sorry… not trying to derail…

You’ve hit the spot; that’s the purpose of the OP!

 

[BlestOne]

I am not going to make this thread into a mormon bash. The catholic church has excommunicated six nuns. Some are rather old. From whence do they get food and funds? What about pensions etc. What about livelihood?

My point is: all churches excommunicate. Period. Don’t cast a stone at mormons if catholics do the same.

Well… since you asked…
The nuns that were excommunicated still live where they were living, still eat and are fed and sheltered by the Catholic Church with the only exception being that they may not receive the sacraments… we are not cold heartless people, they were excommunicated as a last resort to bring them back in communion with the Church.

 

[kage_ar]

Well… since you asked…
The nuns that were excommunicated still live where they were living, still eat and are fed and sheltered by the Catholic Church with the only exception being that they may not receive the sacraments… we are not cold heartless people, they were excommunicated as a last resort to bring them back in communion with the Church.

To add to this (since this is literally in my neighborhood). These nuns are not Diocesian, they were originally from Canada - they own the property they live on. The Diocese does not own the property. They are supported by the pre-school they run, through fundraisers and private donations.

They are still living and operating the business, it is the same today as it was three days ago. The biggest difference, the Diocese will not longer permit any Priest to say Mass at their chapel, where they used to have daily mass and a perpetual adoration chapel.

 

[why_me]

I’m not Catholic, either. I don’t have to be Catholic to see, that these are two entirely different situations.
The man who was excommunicated by the Mormons, had done nothing more than discuss with his family the fact, that he had decided to leave the church because of what he had learned about it.

Now Zooey, please do me a favor. I want you to read the extract from the newspaper that posted the news of the mormon’s excommunication. And please point out to me jus where he was excommunicated for talking to family members. I suppose that if one repeats a lie often enough it suddenly becomes a truth.

**He said he learned that his five brothers “were doing the same research and arriving at the same conclusions” and doubts, he said. The same was true for his best friend since childhood. In a meeting earlier this summer with Molina, Lamborn acknowledged that he wanted to give up his church membership.

“I was planning to leave the church quietly, but was denied that opportunity, presumably because I was speaking openly to other members about my findings and (was) writing things down,” Lamborn said**

Now please show me where he was excommunicated for talking to family members? Other members are not family. They were other members of the lds church. It is ‘mormon’ talk.

 

[why_me]

To add to this (since this is literally in my neighborhood). These nuns are not Diocesian, they were originally from Canada - they own the property they live on. The Diocese does not own the property. They are supported by the pre-school they run, through fundraisers and private donations.

They are still living and operating the business, it is the same today as it was three days ago. The biggest difference, the Diocese will not longer permit any Priest to say Mass at their chapel, where they used to have daily mass and a perpetual adoration chapel.

This is all well and good. But I will bet a dollar that the community was in support of them because they were nuns in the catholic church. Now that they have been excommunicated, it will be interesting to see if the community support continues. There could be an exodus of catholic support and an influx of other support from the greater community. Or it all could dry up. Who will pay their bills?

 

[iamrefreshed]

This is all well and good. But I will bet a dollar that the community was in support of them because they were nuns in the catholic church. Now that they have been excommunicated, it will be interesting to see if the community support continues. There could be an exodus of catholic support and an influx of other support from the greater community. Or it all could dry up. Who will pay their bills?

I’m not sure I see your point.

Maybe they should pay their bills. I pay mine.

I also help pay those of my religious community as they are working to help me become closer to God.

I don’t pay the bills for the Jewish or Hindu Temples or for that matter the local mosque.

 

[why_me]

I’m not sure I see your point.

Maybe they should pay their bills. I pay mine.

I also help pay those of my religious community as they are working to help me become closer to God.

I don’t pay the bills for the Jewish or Hindu Temples or for that matter the local mosque.

I am sure that they received support from the catholic community. But now they may be cut off from that community due to the fact that they were excommunicated as heretics.

That was my point.

 

[estesbob]

I am sure that they received support from the catholic community. But now they may be cut off from that community due to the fact that they were excommunicated as heretics.

That was my point.

I didnt see where they were going to read a letter of excomunication at evey mass this weekend-IRC that is what the Mormons were going to do.

Personally i wish our Bishops would publicly excomunicate a whole slew of “catholic” politicians but that does not take away form the fact there is a huge differnce between the way this Bishop handled this excommunication as compared to the Mormon leadership did.

 

[ApostateRLDS]

Actually, the lds church does not excommunicate members for questioning the history of their church. There is nothing wrong with questioning such things. However, if one begins to speak false doctrine and teach it, then excommunication can occur. Not not for questioning church history or even for questioning doctrine. It is in the preaching and not the questioning. Likewise for scientific research.

My point is simple: members of both groups know what is excommunicable and what isn’t. In the end, both excommunicate.

Your statements are as disengenuous as they are hypocritical. Dr. Simon Southernton was excommunicated by an LDS ‘court of love’ for publishing his findings that DNA evidence doesn’t support the BOM. Nobody was preaching there, just a scientist exercising his right to report and discuss his findings.

I guess in the LDS mind discussing research or investigation, whether it’s scientific or historical, is the same as preaching. So if any LDS discovers something that isn’t ‘faith promoting’, he better keep it to himself. What a despicable mentality!

 

[ApostateRLDS]

I am sure that they received support from the catholic community. But now they may be cut off from that community due to the fact that they were excommunicated as heretics.

That was my point.

…and maybe they won’t be. Funny you mention that. Is that a common motive for LDS excommunications? I suspect that’s what that LDS bishop was trying to do.

 

[iamrefreshed]

I am sure that they received support from the catholic community. But now they may be cut off from that community due to the fact that they were excommunicated as heretics.

That was my point.

They are not cut off from the community. They are cut off from sacraments.

However, they no longer hold the same beliefs as the community so that may very well have an impact on donations. This is not news to them. They knew that would happen.

BTW, I’m in 100% agreement with you vis a vis Mormon and Catholic excommunication.

 

[kage_ar]

I am sure that they received support from the catholic community. But now they may be cut off from that community due to the fact that they were excommunicated as heretics.

That was my point.

I’ve posted the link to the official Diocese coverage on this issue. The local parishes have been/will be informed, this is all over the local news. Everyone knows about it, this is a public matter.

The school will most likely lose very few students, as most students are not Catholic.

I am certain that the community will not allow these nuns to be destitiute and hungry. They would also be well supported by the Army of Mary group.

The Catholic community does not “shun” people, we pray for them and continue to love them - and do all we can to assist them in coming back to the Catholic Church.

 

[why_me]

Your statements are as disengenuous as they are hypocritical. Dr. Simon Southernton was excommunicated by an LDS ‘court of love’ for publishing his findings that DNA evidence doesn’t support the BOM. Nobody was preaching there, just a scientist exercising his right to report and discuss his findings.

Simon was excommunicated for adultery. I am surprised that you missed that information. It had nothing to do with his findings. However, as someone who knew the case from the beginning I can say that he wasn’t excommunicated for his findings. Simon is an interesting individual. He wanted to remain a member even though he didn’t believe in the book of mormon. Why? I think that he wanted to be excommunicated for his findings. But he wasn’t. It was for adultery.

At least that is what I remember.

 

[why_me]

They are not cut off from the community. They are cut off from sacraments.

However, they no longer hold the same beliefs as the community so that may very well have an impact on donations. This is not news to them. They knew that would happen.

BTW, I’m in 100% agreement with you vis a vis Mormon and Catholic excommunication.

I wish the best for the nuns. I also agree with their excommunication. Thanks for agreeing with me on the Mormon and catholic excommunication.

 

[estesbob]

Simon was excommunicated for adultery. I am surprised that you missed that information. It had nothing to do with his findings. However, as someone who knew the case from the beginning I can say that he wasn’t excommunicated for his findings. Simon is an interesting individual. He wanted to remain a member even though he didn’t believe in the book of mormon. Why? I think that he wanted to be excommunicated for his findings. But he wasn’t. It was for adultery.

At least that is what I remember.

He was not excoommunicated for Adultery. he was excommunicated for having an "inappropriate relationship with a with a woman” although the woman was never identified and no evidence was presented that any such relationship took place.

You can read about it here:

exmormon.org/mormon/mormon412.htm

 

[why_me]

He was not excoommunicated for Adultery. he was excommunicated for having an "inappropriate relationship with a with a woman” although the woman was never identified and no evidence was presented that any such relationship took place.

You can read about it here:

exmormon.org/mormon/mormon412.htm

I believe that he admited that he did. You have used very diplomatic language for adultery. I believe that a family member finked on him. However, I needed to set the record right because of what apostaterlds said. The woman would not be identified in such a case. Privacy is very important.

The point is: I believe that Simon wanted to be excommunicated for his findings to be turned into a martyr. Why else would he not resign his membership if he did not believe in the book of mormon?

 

[catechumen08]

I want to bring this into the discussion because of the high profile excommunication of a mormon on this section of the forum. As we can see all churches excommunicate members. And yes, these nuns are receiving publicity.

My point: one can not criticize the mormons for excommunicating a high priesthood holder when the catholic church does the same for its members who are classified as heretics.

news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070926/ap_on_re_us/nuns_heresy

This is so very sad. The nuns have devoted their entire lives to Christ, and now this. I pray that they will realize the error of their thinking. I can imagine how hard it must be to be denied the Eucharist. Simply so very sad.

 

[why_me]

This is so very sad. The nuns have devoted their entire lives to Christ, and now this. I pray that they will realize the error of their thinking. I can imagine how hard it must be to be denied the Eucharist. Simply so very sad.

Good point! Denying them the Eucharist is to deny them the body of Christ which for nuns is to deny them life.

 

[water]

Good point! Denying them the Eucharist is to deny them the body of Christ which for nuns is to deny them life.

The nuns chose their way of life.

 

[Apryl]

one can not criticize the mormons for excommunicating a high priesthood holder when the catholic church does the same for its members who are classified as heretics.

Could you give us further description of the mormon that was excommunicated, and exactly what was the defense offered by Catholics on this board?

It probably matters.