six nuns excommunicated for heresy!

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:eek: OH MY GOD,I know these sisters,or at least my great aunts did. My great grandparents came to Hot Springs,Ark. in 1911 from Milwaukee.They helped found St.John’s there,in fact I think my dad said great grandpa helped in the construction of the church.I mention this since their chaplin is a pastor at St.John’s.
Some how our family got invovled with these nuns.I don’t know if Great Aunt Helen went to school there or what,but my great aunts would mention the sisters from time to time.
Since they supposedly were members of the Army of Mary or whatever for 20 or 30 years,that was when my great aunts were still living,though our family’s invovlement with them probably goes
back to the 1920s or a little earlier.
Never once did my great aunts say anything about these sisters belonging to a heritical group.They may not even have been aware of this fact.I’m sure great grandma and the girls are spinning in their graves right now.
My dear German aunts if they had known would certainly have tried to steer them back onto the right path.
Quite a shock indeed,and i feel even sorrier for the people
whose children go to the day care.WOW!
 
:eek: Another thing bothers me.If the sisters have been for 20 or 30 years members of the Army of Mary,then what brought all this into the open? How did the Bishop find out?
 
HollyDolly said:
:eek: Another thing bothers me.If the sisters have been for 20 or 30 years members of the Army of Mary,then what brought all this into the open? How did the Bishop find out?
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Well, one thing is for certain those poor nuns will not be getting any HollyDolly money soon. However, the mormons will gladly give them food and shelter if the nuns ever need such things.

No problem. 😉
 
PaulDupre said:
We see on this thread one of the chief strategies of Mormonism: when a non-Mormon or ex-Mormon relates some experience that the Mormons wish had never happened, the Mormons call him a liar and impugn his character.

Typical cult behavior.
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It is pretty obvious, isn’t it? (Not to mention, more than a little rude…).
I find it http://bestsmileys.com/sad/6.gifhttp://bestsmileys.com/sad/6.gif very sad, that so many people are caught up in what they have been led to believe is a Christian Church, only to find themselves enmeshed in something completely foreign to the teachings of Christ.http://bestsmileys.com/sad/10.gifhttp://bestsmileys.com/sad/10.gif
 
LaudemGloriae said:
Just to be sure to post here, lest anyone get these two confused …

Between Condemned Army of Mary and Authentic Lady of All Nations: An Ocean of Separation by Dr. Miravalle

Also from the Bishop Punt of Haarlem

de-vrouwe.net/downloads/english/070918_Army_of_Mary.pdf

ewtn.com/expert/answers/our_lady_of_all_nations.htm
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Seems like these poor nuns are being shunned away from the church. Or at least the stress is on separation from the nuns until their heresy is done away with and they come back into the church.
 
Zooey said:
It is pretty obvious, isn’t it? (Not to mention, more than a little rude…).
I find it http://bestsmileys.com/sad/6.gifhttp://bestsmileys.com/sad/6.gif very sad, that so many people are caught up in what they have been led to believe is a Christian Church, only to find themselves enmeshed in something completely foreign to the teachings of Christ.http://bestsmileys.com/sad/10.gifhttp://bestsmileys.com/sad/10.gif
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And yet, it does seem that the person in question who told her story has modified it just alittle. It is becoming more believable after the modification and explanations.

I wouldn’t feel sad for Mormons. Many are doing just fine in their religion. They are as happy as a turnip in a turnip patch.

Define Christian and lets see if the mormons fit the definition. How should a christian act toward his or her fellow human beings? What traits or characteristics should a christian possess? 🙂
 
why_me said:
And yet, it does seem that the person in question who told her story has modified it just alittle. It is becoming more believable after the modification and explanations.

I wouldn’t feel sad for Mormons. Many are doing just fine in their religion. They are as happy as a turnip in a turnip patch.

Define Christian and lets see if the mormons fit the definition. How should a christian act toward his or her fellow human beings? What traits or characteristics should a christian possess? 🙂
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Basically, you define Christian as one who subscribes to the Nicene Creed. If you do not know the Nicene Creed, here it is:
We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, light from light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary
and became truly human.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father [and the Son],
who with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen.

Mormons do not belive in the Nicene Creed. They are not Christians. It is not just how you behave, but how you BELIEVE. If you claim to be Catholic, you should know that. Also, I am sure that the good Sisters will lack for nothing, and they most likely will not be calling on the mormons. Even though they are heretics and excommunicate, they are not totally stupid.
 
Jodi said:
Zerinus has a point when I was a member of the lds church I often visiting taught women who wanted nothing to do with the church at present but still loved having their visiting teachers come and visit. If you pick up any lds church publication (ensign) you will find faith promoting stories about inactive members being reactivated through faithful consistant home and visiting teachers.
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Yes, it’s true. The women enjoy the social aspect of the Visiting Teachers probably more than the men but there are a lot of inactive families who’ve not been inside of the church for years, neglect observance of many gospel principles but still have a strong Mormon identity. My own wife’s two brothers are good examples. They were raised that way and it’s part of them. They just don’t want to go to all the trouble of pursuing it.

This might provoke you all (so what else is new?) but it’s much more demanding to be a Mormon than a Catholic. It’s way more than an hour on Sunday morning/Satuday night. It’s three hours on Sunday, Wednesday night for your teenages, there’s scouts and young women and your calling. As well as home teaching, conferences, priesthood meetings. Most Mormon families have many of their weekends filled with some sort of church activity or responsibility. But people can believe in the Book of Mormon and the Gospel of JC without wanting all that. So the inactives are a lot of those people. It’s a mixed bag really, but there are a lot of people who are LDS but just don’t want it to take over their lives. They’d rather be like you (slacker) Catholics! 😉
 
rmcmullan said:
Yes, it’s true. The women enjoy the social aspect of the Visiting Teachers probably more than the men but there are a lot of inactive families who’ve not been inside of the church for years, neglect observance of many gospel principles but still have a strong Mormon identity. My own wife’s two brothers are good examples. They were raised that way and it’s part of them. They just don’t want to go to all the trouble of pursuing it.

This might provoke you all (so what else is new?) but it’s much more demanding to be a Mormon than a Catholic. It’s way more than an hour on Sunday morning/Satuday night. It’s three hours on Sunday, Wednesday night for your teenages, there’s scouts and young women and your calling. As well as home teaching, conferences, priesthood meetings. Most Mormon families have many of their weekends filled with some sort of church activity or responsibility. But people can believe in the Book of Mormon and the Gospel of JC without wanting all that. So the inactives are a lot of those people. It’s a mixed bag really, but there are a lot of people who are LDS but just don’t want it to take over their lives. They’d rather be like you (slacker) Catholics! 😉
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You’ll be surprised to know that for most Catholics, it is much more than an hour a week. Mindless activity does not translate to authentic spirituality. The mormons had to inaugurate Family Home Evening to allow the poor mormons to spend one night a week at home, intead of providing cheap labor to the org. You are correct in one respect though, it is much more demanding to have to suspend disbelief in order to swallow mormon doctrine.
 
Hosemonkey! In previous posts I have called your voice here on the Catholic forums unpleasant and hostile. Let me add insulting too. I do not take anything you say as representative of Catholics in general. I think you are a bad example.
 
rmcmullan said:
Hosemonkey! In previous posts I have called your voice here on the Catholic forums unpleasant and hostile. Let me add insulting too. I do not take anything you say as representative of Catholics in general. I think you are a bad example.
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Thank you, just tellin’ it like it is, old son.😉
 
Hosemonkey, when the kids are fighting too much we sometimes make them sit in a circle at the table and have them tell each other something positive about each other. Maybe it’s time for you to do that. Is there anything nice you can say about Mormons? How about the Morg?

Now this will be interesting. Usually the kids’ first replies are, uh, not exactly what we’re looking for. Can you say something nice?
 
rmcmullan said:
Hosemonkey, when the kids are fighting too much we sometimes make them sit in a circle at the table and have them tell each other something positive about each other. Maybe it’s time for you to do that. Is there anything nice you can say about Mormons? How about the Morg?

Now this will be interesting. Usually the kids’ first replies are, uh, not exactly what we’re looking for. Can you say something nice?
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I’m sorry that the truth about mormonism is not nice. But, that is not of my making. You spend a lot of time and effort trying to sell the idea that you are just another “christian” denomination with no particular agenda, just nice folks who mean no harm. And this would be fine as far as it goes, but you are flying false colors. Your doctrine and beliefs are not Christian and your proselytising techniques are dishonest. That’s what sets me against mormonism. I have studied mormonism for too long to be able to avoid those facts. I am not going to make nice when the truth is involved, sorry.
 
hosemonkey said:
The mormons had to inaugurate Family Home Evening to allow the poor mormons to spend one night a week at home, intead of providing cheap labor to the org.
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Family Home Evening was instituted to show the importance of spending at least one night a week doing family activities. Of course the more nights the better but at least one evening was family night. In this world of ours, a world where families may no longer eat together and where each family member has their own hobby away from the family, such a night was a true revelation about the importance of family. Lets hope that catholics will also have at least one night reserved for family.
 
why_me said:
Family Home Evening was instituted to show the importance of spending at least one night a week doing family activities. Of course the more nights the better but at least one evening was family night. In this world of ours, a world where families may no longer eat together and where each family member has their own hobby away from the family, such a night was a true revelation about the importance of family. Lets hope that catholics will also have at least one night reserved for family.
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“Show the importance of?” No, it was done for just the reason that I stated. mormons were getting so burned out by the constant demands of the “church”, that something had to be done. How do I know? One of our local mormon “bishops” let it slip to a co-worker of mine who was dating a mormon girl. He subsequently married her and converted her to Catholicism. I don’t know about you, Why me, but we dedicate at least five nights a week to our family. Don’t need the “church” to tell us that it is important.
 
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