Six reasons NOT to send your daughter to college

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Same reason that slaves were not taught to read and write, ironically.
Yeeees, and you know the reason why they did/want to do/or do that: so they can exploit them and abuse them without the issue of having the slave/woman/victim confront or rebel against the abuser. That is why abusive men don’t allow their wives to work or have an education. It is a way of keeping control through fear.
 
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Same reason that slaves were not taught to read and write, ironically.
Can’t argue with success… which is something I’ve found Raylan is quick to point out.

None of the girls raised with his method have left the Church, or ever committed the sin of fornication or contraception. They also make subservient wives who respect the authority of their husbands.
 
These arguments are just weak.

I couldn’t believe what I was reading.

Basically…according to this article, a woman is only worth anything if she becomes a wife and mother. That’s it.

What if she isn’t called to the vocation of marriage and wishes to become a nun or be single? Many nuns earn degrees.

A single woman shouldn’t be expected to live at home with her parents waiting for prince charming to come along and scoop her up…regardless of how long it takes.

This article proves that misogyny is just as damaging as feminism.

The only argument I saw that made a little bit of sense was the debt argument. College in the US is expensive and I don’t believe it’s worth it to drown yourself in crushing student loan debt you may or may not be able to start paying off in 6 months. Debt that can never be discharged or go away. Debt that could result in you having your taxes taken away and your wages garnished before you reach the age of 25.

But…that doesn’t mean one can’t earn a scholarship or receive a grant.
My oldest son commutes to his college, which saves quite a lot in terms of student loan debt so there is no room and board to cover. The college he originally planned to attend was another state college 2 hours south of where we live and the room and board there was more than the tuition.
If a parent is that concerned that their daughter will lose her faith by moving off to school or accrue a large amount of debt, they should have her attend a local state or community college and live at home, instead of forbidding her to attend school. Even a vocational school where she learns a trade would be better than not equipping her with skills that can provide something more than a minimum wage job.
That way, she can at least get an education and be able to earn a reasonable amount of money should her husband ever be laid-off or lose his job and not find a replacement within a suitable time. The article failed to address that very valid and more likely concern when the author came up with his "answers"for "A woman needs to have something to provide income in case her husband dies, becomes disabled or leaves her. "
 
University an “occasion of sin”. Sure, instead, let’s lock up our daughters. :rolleyes:
More important than that, make sure their chastity belts are locked up!

It’s not that faithful girls don’t keep themselves out of sin by their own will or anything. The parents need to force them not to sin by not letting them have superior education. That’s a strike of a genius… :rolleyes:
 
Can’t argue with success… which is something I’ve found Raylan is quick to point out.
The only problem with Raylan’s success argument is that the so called called success is the result of fear not because the girls actually believe in non sining. Is pretty much the situation Muslims run to: they don’t drink due to the fear imposed by the family, but the minute they get out from the family’s they run to get drunk. Those girls are pretty much under the same risk. Also, if that method would have really been successful we wouldn’t have radical feminism now a days.
 
What an … interesting … article…

The only way this works at all is if nearly all women are getting married right out of high school. If not, then what? They stay at home waiting to meet a guy…where exactly? Or they go out and get a remedial job where they are far more likely to meet guys that would be of the “lazy” variety.

I think the author does not understand what a “near occassion of sin” actually is.
 
I think what’s scariest about this article/blog is that the author implies that this is what the Catholic Church teaches. This is NOT what the Catholic Church teaches.

I have raised two daughters. Both excelled throughout their school years. Both went to college and earned advanced degrees (doctorate for one, MFA for the other). Both are working and earning a good salary in the fields in which they earned their degrees.

I personally believe that it is foolish for women to prepare only for staying at home and raising children. When 50% of marriages end in divorce, a woman simply has to have a way to support herself should the unthinkable happen. Statistically, women with children who are not married to a man are the poorest people in the U.S. Sometimes family can step in and help a woman who is left destitute by a divorce, but not always. A woman should not expect others to support her throughout her life–she needs to have a way to support herself.

Those who use NFP are proud to state that their divorce rate is incredibly low, around 5%. BUT…that means that 1 out of 20 couples who use NFP will divorce, and if your daughter is sadly one of the “1 out of 20,” she will need to have a way to support herself and her children.

IMO, it is the parents’ job to prepare their children, both sons and daughters, to make the most of a college education (if college is chosen as part of the preparation for life and career–there are other good options such as military, trade school, apprenticeships, marriage and family, starting a company, etc.).

Preparing kids for college and career should begin the day the child is conceived. Children need to be taught the joys of studying and learning, and should be trained to be curious about the world around them and interested in many different fields of study.

They should be taught to respect the authority and knowledge of teachers and instructors, and also taught a healthy skepticism when it comes to teachers and instructors!

And children should be trained to be temperate in all things, so that they don’t go away to college and fall head over heels into a morass of sin and frivolity!

Above all else, children need to be taught a Christian worldview so that they are able to discern the good and the bad and make wise choices in life.
 
At church, of course. :rolleyes:
What’s wrong with meeting people at church? 😛

The biggest concern I have with college is the immoral environment one can have to deal with, but that’s something for everyone to discern about, not just women.
 
If this is part of the “Resurrecting Manhood” series, there’s seriously more things wrong with ‘manhood’ than I would’ve ever thought…

I’m on board with everyone else who thought this was ridiculous.
Going to college puts women in the near occasion of sin?!? Seriously?! Why didn’t he just throw in how many men that must be put in the near occasion of sin by their presence too? Nope, all the temptation just falls on the woman. Apparently they don’t have enough of a brain to control themselves from resisting the urge to sleep with every other male who looks her way because of the sexually charged environment outside the realm of a pious home and church? :rolleyes:

The only thing that would’ve made sense would be if his single most sensible point would have been worded, “Don’t go into more debt getting a degree than you’ll be able to pay back.” That single piece of paper could be the only difference between getting a job whether or not you’re qualified with experience. Not all of the best places of employment will accept the ‘school of hard knocks’.

Don’t even get me started on the implication that choosing the right man will be the single most guarantee that you’ll never have to work…
 
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Same reason that slaves were not taught to read and write, ironically.
And there is nothing wrong with rebellion in some cases. What if the husband or father commanded his wife or daughter to sin?

Also, their thing about vocation is no longer true. A lot of female congregations encourage prospectives to get a college education, eveb the so-called traditional ones. In that case depriving girls of a university education would IMPEDE their vocation.

Then there is also the fact that many of the female Saints would not have exercised their vocations if not educated. St. Gianna Molla went to university, and was a doctor. St. Teresa Benedicta of the Cross, as we know, was a student of Husserl.
 
OK, so let’s do look at this wrong-headed piece point-by-point:
  1. She will attract the wrong types of men. I share the common concern addressed to us, again mainly by angry women, that there are so many lazy men in our society… This seems to imply that young men who go to college are more lazy than men who don’t (!!!), or else that Catholic men who go to college will naturally seek out Catholic women who did not. Those are both false.
  2. *She will be in a near occasion of sin. Just think of the environment that college-age students live in. You have a heavy concentration of young people all living together without the supervision of parents at the most sexually charged state of life they will experience. * Hmmmm…and exactly what kind of woman will tomorrow’s male Catholic doctors and lawyers be marrying, then? Are they going to go back to their home parish and find a nice Catholic girl who’s been–doing what, exactly?–since graduating from high school, or are they going to marry one of those non-Catholic near occasions of sin they meet at school? Is it not hard enough for good Catholics to meet each other, we have to take all the Catholic women out of college, too? Oh, and the Catholic men who didn’t go to college? Guess what? They’re not getting paid a family wage, so most of their wives have to work outside the home!!
  3. She will not learn to be a wife and mother. Nothing that is taught in a college curriculum is geared toward domestic homemaking… If you did not teach both your sons and your daughters the basics of home economics before they left high school, you failed. If you think that the modern homemaker has no need of anything she learned in college, you’re much mistaken. The bigger danger is that she’ll go to college but fail to take the coursework that would help her and her husband competently manage a 21st household.
  4. The cost of a degree is becoming more difficult to recoup. Like anything that is subsidized by the government, the cost of a college degree is inflated.
    This is so wrong-headed, I don’t know where to start. Think of where this country would be without the GI bill. It is the public universities that make and affordable education available to those who aren’t independently wealthy already.
  5. You don’t have to prove anything to the world. Often the reason for a girl going to college is the pressure of the society around her, including her parents. There is no reason to make this point to girls only. There are many young people who would be happier in technical degrees. Still, even most of the men I know who go into logging and farming went to college for at least two years–and these were guys who earned their own way working in the woods!
  6. It could be a near occasion of sin for the parents. In our culture many parents feel an unnecessary obligation to pay for the children’s college tuition. They’re saying that wanting to send your children to college is a wrong-headed reason to use NFP. Why that means that only boys get sent to college is unclear. One also has to consider that a Catholic woman who marries a college-educated man is more likely to be able to support a large family while she stays home and still get them through college. Well, the chances that a woman is going to marry and stay married to a college-educated man when she has not been to college herself are not that high. The college-educated tend to marry the college-educated, and the non-college-educated tend to marry the non-college-educated. College-educated women also have a lower divorce rate. (The worst rate, not surprisingly, is in women who dropped out of either high school or college. Could be lots of confounding variables there…)
  7. She will regret it. The more we talk about this prudent option for girls, the more we have women who are willing to admit to the regret they possess for having bought into the lie of the dual-career family. Yes, because no one ever regrets that they could have gone to college, but didn’t. The lie buried in this one is that the college-educated are required to be in the workforce from graduation until retirement, which is sometimes true, but not always by any means. Besides, of all those dual-career mothers going to work every day, how many have their houses cleaned and their groceries rung up and their twice-a-week at the restaurant dishes cleared by other dual-career mothers who are working at lower pay and perhaps longer and less flexible hours away from home than they are, because those dual-career mothers* don’t *have a college education? A woman with a college education is also more likely to be able to substantially help her family while only working part-time.
College isn’t for everyone, but the people who wrote this piece don’t seem to have done the research a college-educated person is capable doing concerning whether any facts actually support their thesis.

It would be better to encourage Catholics, both male and female, to consider what family trade-offs they will make depending on what post-secondary course to take and what degree and what university they choose if they do choose college: that is, how will I pay off these loans, will I be able to maintain my credentialing while parenting our children, what are the career demands in this field for parents, and so on. That is where I hear regret from the college-educated: That is, that they only considered what they’d enjoy the most–I mean both what they learned and where they learned it–during their four years of college, and not what college and what degree would best help them reach their life goals after college.
 
I think it’s a very traditionalist and old-fashioned point of view. In my opinion women need to have an education of some sort, even if they want to stay at home with the kids. That way they are prepared in case their plan to be a homemaker is wrecked by death or divorce. Or, the family needs more income and Mom would like to earn more the $10/hr.

The only good argument is the debt one. College is not a sure fired path to making a good living. Both men and women should carefully pick a major, and try to get through it with a firm goal in sight that is practical. Try to get through debt free!
 
OK, so let’s do look at this wrong-headed piece point-by-point:
  1. She will attract the wrong types of men. I share the common concern addressed to us, again mainly by angry women, that there are so many lazy men in our society… This seems to imply that young men who go to college are more lazy than men who don’t (!!!), or else that Catholic men who go to college will naturally seek out Catholic women who did not. Those are both false.
  2. *She will be in a near occasion of sin. Just think of the environment that college-age students live in. You have a heavy concentration of young people all living together without the supervision of parents at the most sexually charged state of life they will experience. * Hmmmm…and exactly what kind of woman will tomorrow’s male Catholic doctors and lawyers be marrying, then? Are they going to go back to their home parish and find a nice Catholic girl who’s been–doing what, exactly?–since graduating from high school, or are they going to marry one of those non-Catholic near occasions of sin they meet at school? Is it not hard enough for good Catholics to meet each other, we have to take all the Catholic women out of college, too? Oh, and the Catholic men who didn’t go to college? Guess what? They’re not getting paid a family wage, so most of their wives have to work outside the home!!
  3. She will not learn to be a wife and mother. Nothing that is taught in a college curriculum is geared toward domestic homemaking… If you did not teach both your sons and your daughters the basics of home economics before they left high school, you failed. If you think that the modern homemaker has no need of anything she learned in college, you’re much mistaken. The bigger danger is that she’ll go to college but fail to take the coursework that would help her and her husband competently manage a 21st household.
  4. The cost of a degree is becoming more difficult to recoup. Like anything that is subsidized by the government, the cost of a college degree is inflated.
    This is so wrong-headed, I don’t know where to start. Think of where this country would be without the GI bill. It is the public universities that make and affordable education available to those who aren’t independently wealthy already.
  5. You don’t have to prove anything to the world. Often the reason for a girl going to college is the pressure of the society around her, including her parents. There is no reason to make this point to girls only. There are many young people who would be happier in technical degrees. Still, even most of the men I know who go into logging and farming went to college for at least two years–and these were guys who earned their own way working in the woods!
  6. It could be a near occasion of sin for the parents. In our culture many parents feel an unnecessary obligation to pay for the children’s college tuition. They’re saying that wanting to send your children to college is a wrong-headed reason to use NFP. Why that means that only boys get sent to college is unclear. One also has to consider that a Catholic woman who marries a college-educated man is more likely to be able to support a large family while she stays home and still get them through college. Well, the chances that a woman is going to marry and stay married to a college-educated man when she has not been to college herself are not that high. The college-educated tend to marry the college-educated, and the non-college-educated tend to marry the non-college-educated. College-educated women also have a lower divorce rate. (The worst rate, not surprisingly, is in women who dropped out of either high school or college. Could be lots of confounding variables there…)
  7. She will regret it. The more we talk about this prudent option for girls, the more we have women who are willing to admit to the regret they possess for having bought into the lie of the dual-career family. Yes, because no one ever regrets that they could have gone to college, but didn’t. The lie buried in this one is that the college-educated are required to be in the workforce from graduation until retirement, which is sometimes true, but not always by any means. Besides, of all those dual-career mothers going to work every day, how many have their houses cleaned and their groceries rung up and their twice-a-week at the restaurant dishes cleared by other dual-career mothers who are working at lower pay and perhaps longer and less flexible hours away from home than they are, because those dual-career mothers* don’t *have a college education? A woman with a college education is also more likely to be able to substantially help her family while only working part-time.
College isn’t for everyone, but the people who wrote this piece don’t seem to have done the research a college-educated person is capable doing concerning whether any facts actually support their thesis.

It would be better to encourage Catholics, both male and female, to consider what family trade-offs they will make depending on what post-secondary course to take and what degree and what university they choose if they do choose college: that is, how will I pay off these loans, will I be able to maintain my credentialing while parenting our children, what are the career demands in this field for parents, and so on. That is where I hear regret from the college-educated: That is, that they only considered what they’d enjoy the most–I mean both what they learned and where they learned it–during their four years of college, and not what college and what degree would best help them reach their life goals after college.
nice
 
If this is part of the “Resurrecting Manhood” series, there’s seriously more things wrong with ‘manhood’ than I would’ve ever thought…

I’m on board with everyone else who thought this was ridiculous.
Going to college puts women in the near occasion of sin?!? Seriously?! Why didn’t he just throw in how many men that must be put in the near occasion of sin by their presence too? Nope, all the temptation just falls on the woman. Apparently they don’t have enough of a brain to control themselves from resisting the urge to sleep with every other male who looks her way because of the sexually charged environment outside the realm of a pious home and church?:rolleyes:
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Yeah that part made me :rolleyes: as well.

How about this? Treat your daughter like the human being she is and teach her how to recognize right from wrong! :newidea: Because guess what? It’s actually pretty easy to avoid most of that stuff at college. Just use common sense. Besides, just going to the mall will put you in a “near occasion of sin” if we want to be realistic.

Maybe, having good strong holy Catholic women - and men - on college campus’ all over the nation would be a good thing. We’re supposed to be the light of the world aren’t we? Not put under a bushel basket.
 
Yeah that part made me :rolleyes: as well.

How about this? Treat your daughter like the human being she is and teach her how to recognize right from wrong! :newidea: Because guess what? It’s actually pretty easy to avoid most of that stuff at college. Just use common sense. Besides, just going to the mall will put you in a “near occasion of sin” if we want to be realistic.

Maybe, having good strong holy Catholic women - and men - on college campus’ all over the nation would be a good thing. We’re supposed to be the light of the world aren’t we? Not put under a bushel basket.
This. If an 18 year old Catholic does not have an interior orientation that avoids near occasions of sin, I don’t know what ivory tower could keep them safe, whether it is on a college campus or off of one.
 
  1. She will attract the wrong types of men. I share the common concern addressed to us, again mainly by angry women, that there are so many lazy men in our society… This seems to imply that young men who go to college are more lazy than men who don’t (!!!), or else that Catholic men who go to college will naturally seek out Catholic women who did not. Those are both false.
  2. *She will be in a near occasion of sin. Just think of the environment that college-age students live in. You have a heavy concentration of young people all living together without the supervision of parents at the most sexually charged state of life they will experience. * Hmmmm…and exactly what kind of woman will tomorrow’s male Catholic doctors and lawyers be marrying, then? Are they going to go back to their home parish and find a nice Catholic girl who’s been–doing what, exactly?–since graduating from high school, or are they going to marry one of those non-Catholic near occasions of sin they meet at school? Is it not hard enough for good Catholics to meet each other, we have to take all the Catholic women out of college, too? Oh, and the Catholic men who didn’t go to college? Guess what? They’re not getting paid a family wage, so most of their wives have to work outside the home!!
  3. She will not learn to be a wife and mother. Nothing that is taught in a college curriculum is geared toward domestic homemaking… If you did not teach both your sons and your daughters the basics of home economics before they left high school, you failed. If you think that the modern homemaker has no need of anything she learned in college, you’re much mistaken. The bigger danger is that she’ll go to college but fail to take the coursework that would help her and her husband competently manage a 21st household.
  4. The cost of a degree is becoming more difficult to recoup. Like anything that is subsidized by the government, the cost of a college degree is inflated.
    This is so wrong-headed, I don’t know where to start. Think of where this country would be without the GI bill. It is the public universities that make and affordable education available to those who aren’t independently wealthy already.
  5. You don’t have to prove anything to the world. Often the reason for a girl going to college is the pressure of the society around her, including her parents. There is no reason to make this point to girls only. There are many young people who would be happier in technical degrees. Still, even most of the men I know who go into logging and farming went to college for at least two years–and these were guys who earned their own way working in the woods!
  6. It could be a near occasion of sin for the parents. In our culture many parents feel an unnecessary obligation to pay for the children’s college tuition. They’re saying that wanting to send your children to college is a wrong-headed reason to use NFP. Why that means that only boys get sent to college is unclear. One also has to consider that a Catholic woman who marries a college-educated man is more likely to be able to support a large family while she stays home and still get them through college. Well, the chances that a woman is going to marry and stay married to a college-educated man when she has not been to college herself are not that high. The college-educated tend to marry the college-educated, and the non-college-educated tend to marry the non-college-educated. College-educated women also have a lower divorce rate. (The worst rate, not surprisingly, is in women who dropped out of either high school or college. Could be lots of confounding variables there…)
  7. She will regret it. The more we talk about this prudent option for girls, the more we have women who are willing to admit to the regret they possess for having bought into the lie of the dual-career family. Yes, because no one ever regrets that they could have gone to college, but didn’t. The lie buried in this one is that the college-educated are required to be in the workforce from graduation until retirement, which is sometimes true, but not always by any means. Besides, of all those dual-career mothers going to work every day, how many have their houses cleaned and their groceries rung up and their twice-a-week at the restaurant dishes cleared by other dual-career mothers who are working at lower pay and perhaps longer and less flexible hours away from home than they are, because those dual-career mothers* don’t *have a college education? A woman with a college education is also more likely to be able to substantially help her family while only working part-time.
College isn’t for everyone, but the people who wrote this piece don’t seem to have done the research a college-educated person is capable doing concerning whether any facts actually support their thesis.

It would be better to encourage Catholics, both male and female, to consider what family trade-offs they will make depending on what post-secondary course to take and what degree and what university they choose if they do choose college: that is, how will I pay off these loans, will I be able to maintain my credentialing while parenting our children, what are the career demands in this field for parents, and so on. That is where I hear regret from the college-educated:
Very well put but #3 deserves clapping :clapping: :clapping::clapping:

Domestic homemaking is something parents have to teach their kids, at home, with their own behavior and with their words, not college. Precisely one of the problems our society has is parents who expect school/colleges to teach their kids what they (the parents) should be teaching the kids. And he is obviously ignoring the statistic that college graduated women have lower rates of divorce and have better marriages.
 
Someone needs to send this guy an email or a letter or something… some sort of dose of reality so that he’ll stop spewing such nonsense in the name of Catholicism. Embarrassing.
 
Someone needs to send this guy an email or a letter or something… some sort of dose of reality so that he’ll stop spewing such nonsense in the name of Catholicism. Embarrassing.
He’s a loose cannon, but I doubt that a letter from his own bishop could change his mind, and I very much doubt that posting a “feminist” opinion on his site will make a difference.

A billion Catholics, a few of them are bound to a) be a bubble off of plumb and b) have sufficient education to post a blog. We can’t set them all straight, and I have never heard of this guy from Adam. Let us hope that his ideas get the same general reception that they get here. Unless he comes to us, add him and his kind to prayers, and leave it at that.
 
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