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SerraSemper
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Fascinating. Do we have a bishop on this forum? Anyone bishop by the name of Sebastian? Or just someone who adopts the style of a bishop.
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EasterJoy
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I’m very puzzled, BTW, about why you would read the sentence “I cannot believe that we are really having this discussion on this thread, as if proving that an education poses some additional risk of near occasion of sin is a) a reason to deny an education to anybody, instead of a reason to address the risks when planning that education and b) something that uniquely concerns women” and see a straw man there.
Do you agree with either of these?
a) If education poses some additional risk of near occasion of sin, that is automatically sufficient reason to deny the education altogether
b) If education poses some additional risk of near occasion of sin, that is automatically sufficient reason to deny the education altogether to a woman, but not to a man
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fpt
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Before responding to you, morally speaking, it is **compulsory **of discerning, only in the catholic way, the practical notion of near occasion of sin. How to do? Each parent, thus each couple *has to avoid and has to refuse the ideologies and the heresies of the human nature of the female and of the acception of this notion of near occasion of sins. *I’m very puzzled, BTW, about why you would read the sentence “I cannot believe that we are really having this discussion on this thread, as if proving that an education poses some additional risk of near occasion of sin is a) a reason to deny an education to anybody, instead of a reason to address the risks when planning that education and b) something that uniquely concerns women” and see a straw man there.
Do you agree with either of these?
a) If education poses some additional risk of near occasion of sin, that is automatically sufficient reason to deny the education altogether
b) If education poses some additional risk of near occasion of sin, that is automatically sufficient reason to deny the education altogether to a woman, but not to a man
That means to struggle against:
- the pharisaism, the externalism, the manicheism, the judgmentalism, the pessimism, the negativism, the sinful presumptionism, the catharism, the jansenism, the neo-jansenism, the puritanism, the neo-puritanism, the victorianism, the neo-victorianism, the scrupulism (a spiritual disease, a mental disease, a mental disease, a psychical disease, a psychological disease), the strong reaction against some new ideologies and some new heresies (the strong reactionism without link with the reaction of the catholic church, too much activist, too much simple).
and - the machism, the philosophy of machism, the real sexism from males, the war of genders, the real discrimination between males and females, the mysogyny, the radical masculinism, the fact of being in favor of the ontological inferiority of the female human, the anti-personalism concerning the woman.
The life of family, the conjugal life, the life of wife, the life of husband, the life of mother, the life of father, the life of son (baby, teenager, adult), the life of daughter (baby, teenager, adult) is not the same than the life of a priest, of a monk, of a friar, of a nun, of a sister. Are they priests? Are they monks? Are they nuns? Are they friars? Are they religious sisters? A confusion and a misunderstanding about the state of life of the family, of the wife, of the husband, of the couple, of the mother, of the father…etc??? Of course not, otherwise it is the great issue, and the great problematic??? The wrong reactionism is the great issue!!! The family is not a seminary, a monastery, convent, a isolation bubble. The daughter within her family is not a pre-sister, a pre-nun, i mean not to be obliged to live as a nun,or a religious sister, like a female convent. The discipline of family is totally different.
vatican.va/archive/hist_c…t-spes_en.html
The Pastoral Constitution, “Gaudium et Spes” (29) discusses equality and differences among men.
- Since all** men [male and female] **possess a rational soul and are created in God’s likeness, since they have the same nature and origin, have been redeemed by Christ and enjoy the same divine calling and destiny, the basic equality of all must receive increasingly greater recognition.
Men means male and female or only male, in function of sentences and of context?
This text is clear. No discrimination, in the noble sense, in function of sex, concerning the education, the instruction, the learning, the formation and even for the higher education (college or university). It is a moral obligation of struggling against those mentalities and those practices (the fact of refusing the education to females) for the mother, the father and thus for the parents.
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DL82
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At the risk of getting drawn into a flame war over this minor blog expressing the unqualified opinion of two lay people…
The article cites homeschooling as a proper function of mothers. Will they only homeschool their daughters, or their sons also?
If they are to homeschool their sons, how will they prepare them for professional careers (to say nothing of priestly vocations), which may include college degrees?
Would you send your children to a school where the teachers didn’t have a degree?
I teach at a university, and I have a Doctorate in my subject. If I wasn’t educated to doctoral level, I couldn’t teach students at Bachelor level.
If someone doesn’t have a Bachelor’s, or even an Associate’s degree, would you trust them to teach your High School kids?
The article cites homeschooling as a proper function of mothers. Will they only homeschool their daughters, or their sons also?
If they are to homeschool their sons, how will they prepare them for professional careers (to say nothing of priestly vocations), which may include college degrees?
Would you send your children to a school where the teachers didn’t have a degree?
I teach at a university, and I have a Doctorate in my subject. If I wasn’t educated to doctoral level, I couldn’t teach students at Bachelor level.
If someone doesn’t have a Bachelor’s, or even an Associate’s degree, would you trust them to teach your High School kids?
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fpt
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According to the blog “Fix the family”, if a daughter has the intellectual skills and wants to go to college, morally speaking:
Does she have the right to ask to be helped by her parents, financially speaking? Does she have the right to choose the academical field and the academical disciplines? Does she have to obey to her parents about the choice of her future academic degree?
Do the parents have the natural right to impose, directly or indirectly, the academical field to their daughter, at the university or at the college?
If in the couple, Dad and Mum disagree about sending the daughter to college, who has to have the ultimate decision? By principle, the Dad because he is the male of the family, the leader of the family, the boss of the family, and because the wife has to be a submissive wife?
Does the wife has to have the moral obligation of agreeing with her husband and of being on the same line in her external fort and even in her internal fort?
I would like to know the answers of those two bloggers!!!
Does she have the right to ask to be helped by her parents, financially speaking? Does she have the right to choose the academical field and the academical disciplines? Does she have to obey to her parents about the choice of her future academic degree?
Do the parents have the natural right to impose, directly or indirectly, the academical field to their daughter, at the university or at the college?
If in the couple, Dad and Mum disagree about sending the daughter to college, who has to have the ultimate decision? By principle, the Dad because he is the male of the family, the leader of the family, the boss of the family, and because the wife has to be a submissive wife?
Does the wife has to have the moral obligation of agreeing with her husband and of being on the same line in her external fort and even in her internal fort?
I would like to know the answers of those two bloggers!!!
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EasterJoy
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Your future daughter still wants to hear what you have to say, 57th Dimension. I have worked hard all through high school. I can choose my school, and will probably even get academic scholarships, although probably not enough to pay for the entire bill.
Do I get to follow my brothers to college?
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EasterJoy
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A university education is very valuable, but it is not a right. Children are not entitled to a university education any more than they are entitled to the same material extras that their friends get or entitled to extracurricular activities or entitled to have their parents leave all their wealth to them in their wills. They are entitled, however, to be treated fairly compared to their siblings.
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Serap
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no you don’t! now get in the kitchen and make me a sandwich!
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EasterJoy
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Put another log on the fire,
Cook me up some bacon and some beans,
And go out to the car and change the tire.
Wash my socks and sew my old blue jeans.
Come on, Baby–you can fill my pipe and then go fetch my slippers,
And boil me up another pot of tea.
Then put another log on the fire, Babe,
And come and tell me why you’re leaving me.
Now don’t I let you wash the car on Sunday?
And don’t I warn you when you’re gettin’ fat?
Ain’t I a gonna take you fishin’ with me someday?
Well, a man can’t love a woman more than that!
Ain’t I always nice to your kid sister?
Don’t I take her driving every night?
So sit here at my feet, 'cause I like you when you’re sweet
And you know* it ain’t feminine *to fight!
Put another log on the fire,
Cook me up some bacon and some beans,
Go out to the car, lift it up, and change the tire,
Wash my socks and sew my old blue jeans–
Come on, Baby!–you can fill my pipe and then go fetch my slippers,
And boil me up another pot of tea
Then put another log on the fire–Babe!–
And come and tell me why you’re leaving me.
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marymary1975
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I was actually reading the entire blog out of.curiosity and if you read into it, it seems like he starts out of the assumption that women, each and every one, do not want to go to College. He is making the assumption (and a terrible one by the way) that each and every woman wants to be a mother and that each and every woman is weak and wants protection. So probably the answer to your question, based on his blog, is that she doesn’t have the right to choose any discipline and academic field and she can only obey her parents if the parents decision is for her not to get a superior education because all women want is to be mothers so all decisions with regard to daughters are valid only if they are conducive to them being mothers. As to the mom.and dad disagreeing also from reading his blog it seems that He places women in the same category of children so probably the answer is that yes the wife has to agree with the husband because she doesn’t know any better and also apparently.he sees sex as a way of controlling women and a way of actually achieve control over the wife’s mind so probably the answer is that he thinks if the husband has sex with the wife she is going to agree with him on everything.
The more I read the blog the more.I creep out.
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EasterJoy
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Well? The silence is deafening.
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Serap
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6 reasons not to send your son to college:Well? The silence is deafening.
- Young men tend to fight in bars, so we need to keep them away from their violent tendencies
- Young men tend to drink too much at college parties and drive. They could kill someone or themselves.
- Young men lose their sense of rational thought when they are sexually tempted. Keep them away from sin.
- Men with a lot of college education often become arrogant and the last thing from their mind is a wife and kids (a.k.a., (name removed by moderator)risonment).
- Young men away from home will lose their sense of family and become occupied with making money over having a relationship with God.
- Young men will be exposed to all the secular brainwashing that youth often get caught up in and they will move away from the Catholic Church.
Now excuse me while I make a transfer payment into my daughter’s education savings fund.
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Rau
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He does not wish to argue his own ideas and conclusions or outlook on life. When asked for what it all means in the real world, his response could be summed up as “actions have consequences”. His is a more academic, uninvolved debate - duelling research reports I called it. If his daughter asked him the question you posed, he’d probably get her to read a few dozen research reports…Well? The silence is deafening.
A pity really; he’s obviously well read and a discussion might have been interesting.
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EasterJoy
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It won’t go that way when he hears this very question from his own daughter!
If she is as ready for college as I’m saying, she’ll use her ability to research to cook her dad alive.
Now, if what Catholics did was to force their children to argue from the evidence of their own self-motivated results why they ought to be* allowed *to go to college and helped with the expense instead of going to work for a wage to help support the family and give themselves a little nest egg to start life with, well, there might be a lot of money saved that would have been wasted. There is no bigger waste of time and money than to send someone to college who doesn’t even know why they want to be there or what a huge opportunity they’re being given. Most of the people I know found that summers spent making money at those very jobs they’d get if they didn’t graduate with a useful degree found the experience to be very motivating when the going got rough at school!
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JustPink
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Heh heh, love it!
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Rau
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Yes, very true. And university is also not the only education path. Some kids are pushed in that direction when trade training would have been more appropriate.
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Cojuanco
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But vocational training in the United States is underfunded, especially as corporate elites would rather outsource jobs to Red China than educate their own here, because they want to squeeze money like blood from a stone. Immigrants tend to have trade skills, but that’s because they learned it before stepping off the plane.
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