Six reasons NOT to send your daughter to college

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But vocational training in the United States is underfunded, especially as corporate elites would rather outsource jobs to Red China than educate their own here, because they want to squeeze money like blood from a stone. Immigrants tend to have trade skills, but that’s because they learned it before stepping off the plane.
Lower skills work will always gravitate to developing nations. Just as well, as that is part of the means by which they lift from poverty and develop.

Trade training is underfunded, and in some cases privatised (poorly) as well. But I’m referring more to the misguided seeking of university education for kids not suited to it.
 
But vocational training in the United States is underfunded, especially as corporate elites would rather outsource jobs to Red China than educate their own here, because they want to squeeze money like blood from a stone. Immigrants tend to have trade skills, but that’s because they learned it before stepping off the plane.
I am thinking of a high school valedictorian I know that elected to become a beautician. Her high school counselors nearly went bananas, but she wanted to do hair. Her parents saw that this was the kind of work she wanted to do and that suited her, and they didn’t fight her about it. I know another very good student who became an electrician, and another who specialized in welding and diesel mechanics. If you consider the ones who got a four-year degree but got it at a technological institute instead of a liberal-arts university–I am thinking of all the people I know who went to the Oregon Institute of Technology in Klamath Falls–then I know a lot of very bright people who have good jobs in careers that suit them very well but who did not get a traditional liberal arts education at a 4 year university, and they did it at a much-reduced cost. (Oregon also has several community colleges with very good technical programs, too, probably because we still have a large agricultural and timber presence in the state. You can’t outsource the guy who keeps your logging trucks and farm equipment running.)
 
6 reasons not to send your son to college:
  1. Young men tend to fight in bars, so we need to keep them away from their violent tendencies
  2. Young men tend to drink too much at college parties and drive. They could kill someone or themselves.
  3. Young men lose their sense of rational thought when they are sexually tempted. Keep them away from sin.
  4. Men with a lot of college education often become arrogant and the last thing from their mind is a wife and kids (a.k.a., (name removed by moderator)risonment).
  5. Young men away from home will lose their sense of family and become occupied with making money over having a relationship with God.
  6. Young men will be exposed to all the secular brainwashing that youth often get caught up in and they will move away from the Catholic Church.
How silly is the above? Yes, it’s silly b/c it amplifies how silly it is to say that one sex over another is more worthy of college and a good education.

Now excuse me while I make a transfer payment into my daughter’s education savings fund.
Perfetto! 👍
 
I am thinking of a high school valedictorian I know that elected to become a beautician. Her high school counselors nearly went bananas, but she wanted to do hair. Her parents saw that this was the kind of work she wanted to do and that suited her, and they didn’t fight her about it. I know another very good student who became an electrician, and another who specialized in welding and diesel mechanics. If you consider the ones who got a four-year degree but got it at a technological institute instead of a liberal-arts university–I am thinking of all the people I know who went to the Oregon Institute of Technology in Klamath Falls–then I know a lot of very bright people who have good jobs in careers that suit them very well but who did not get a traditional liberal arts education at a 4 year university, and they did it at a much-reduced cost. (Oregon also has several community colleges with very good technical programs, too, probably because we still have a large agriculural and timber presence in the state. You can’t outsource the guy who keeps your logging trucks and farm equipment running.)
The younger brother of a friend of mine decided he wanted to be a plumber. His parents who were quite wealthy and educated, almost died as his oldest sisters one is a surgeon, the other one is a lawyer and the other one is a chemical engenier. He said he didn’t want to be like his sisters spending seven years studying. He started doing little plumbing jobs for his neighbours and I think he went to a vocational school. He is our official plumber now and he loves being a plumber and gets a kick out of the whole situation.
 
The younger brother of a friend of mine decided he wanted to be a plumber. His parents who were quite wealthy and educated, almost died as his oldest sisters one is a surgeon, the other one is a lawyer and the other one is a chemical engenier. He said he didn’t want to be like his sisters spending seven years studying. He started doing little plumbing jobs for his neighbours and I think he went to a vocational school. He is our official plumber now and he loves being a plumber and gets a kick out of the whole situation.
Good for him! I am sure that every contractor loves it whenever he can hire people who have the talent to do anything they want, and chose the trade they’re doing over everything else. Anyone who is very good at a skilled trade has good reason to be proud, just as much as if he were in a paper-pushing or science-based profession. (They don’t let just anyone become an electrician or a plumber, either. It is not the place for people with fuzzy minds. :eek:)
 
You know, the Amish send their kids out into mainstream America for a few years when they reach a certain age. Most of them experiment a lot, and then return home. Let’s not pretend that you can “shelter” someone into staying Catholic…all you will do is build up a lot of resentment toward you and, if the reasons are obvious, toward the religion as well. The funny thing is that many kids that grew up Catholic stray from the Church (I did), and many Catholics come home later (I am). That is the unique thing about Catholicism, it never leaves, and it’s there when your ready to come back. Faith is much stronger when you’re allowed to see that it’s accessible in real life, and what happens when you aren’t living it. So, I would say that the article, and the concept, is patently ridiculous.
 
Good for him! I am sure that every contractor loves it whenever he can hire people who have the talent to do anything they want, and chose the trade they’re doing over everything else. Anyone who is very good at a skilled trade has good reason to be proud, just as much as if he were in a paper-pushing or science-based profession. (They don’t let just anyone become an electrician or a plumber, either. It is not the place for people with fuzzy minds. :eek:)
I agree 100%. If my son wants to be a plumber, I’d encourage him b/c it’s a great trade. Plumbers make more money than most white collar jobs too.

I want my kids to choose their careers based on what will make them happy.
 
I agree 100%. If my son wants to be a plumber, I’d encourage him b/c it’s a great trade. Plumbers make more money than most white collar jobs too.

I want my kids to choose their careers based on what will make them happy.
Let me tell you, he makes pretty good money! By now he has a very well established business and clientele and the entire joke is that he does as good as his sisters without having to spend all those years studying LOL and he loves what he does, so if that is what makes the kid happy and the kid has the skills, that is the path.
 
I agree 100%. If my son wants to be a plumber, I’d encourage him b/c it’s a great trade. Plumbers make more money than most white collar jobs too.

I want my kids to choose their careers based on what will make them happy.
I don’t encourage my kids to go to college because they will make more money.

They go to college because it makes them better people.

The reason for going to college in the first place: not to make money or things, or even to live better, but to BE better, to be more, to grow your mind as your grow your body.–Peter Kreeft
 
I don’t encourage my kids to go to college because they will make more money.

They go to college because it makes them better people.

The reason for going to college in the first place: not to make money or things, or even to live better, but to BE better, to be more, to grow your mind as your grow your body.–Peter Kreeft
I agree. College really helped me mature.

I’ll give the example of my brother though. He wanted to make music. Music was his life. He snubbed college and went on to perform at various venues and he made a few singles that did well in Germany. He was all about music. He was poor, but happy. My father was very disappointed in him. The only person unhappy in this equation was my father.

Then at age 30, my brother wanted to continue his music, but realized that he needed a day job to pay the bills. He went back to community college and became an electrician. Now he has a “job” to finance his true passion which is music. He even has a production studio in his home.

My brother makes more money than I do and I have a college degree in commerce. It’s a joke in our family now.
 
I don’t encourage my kids to go to college because they will make more money.

They go to college because it makes them better people.

The reason for going to college in the first place: not to make money or things, or even to live better, but to BE better, to be more, to grow your mind as your grow your body.–Peter Kreeft
I think this is something so many people forget about when they think of college. Yes, everyone knows that the potential for getting a better-paying job is there if you have a degree. We’re lying to ourselves if that aspect of a college education doesn’t cross our minds. BUT what you quoted and mentioned is, I believe, one of the more important reasons someone should choose to have a college education. Unfortunately, based on what I experienced in college and other people I know, it has become much less about the above and more about getting a piece of paper to make money. I don’t know what that attitude changed, but I think it has hurt everyone, from the kind of education offered at some universities/colleges, to the astronomical prices to attend a university or college, to the way children are prepared and encouraged to get a higher education, etc., etc… It’s not the case for everyone, but I find the attitude is becoming more prevalent.
 
My brother makes more money than I do and I have a college degree in commerce. It’s a joke in our family now.
Well, I don’t want to start an argument in your family, :D

but I believe that since you attended college and your brother didn’t, you are a “bigger” and better person for it.
 
Well, I don’t want to start an argument in your family, :D

but I believe that since you attended college and your brother didn’t, you are a “bigger” and better person for it.
He’s bigger than me and I look up to him literally … LOL
 
I agree. College really helped me mature.

I’ll give the example of my brother though. He wanted to make music. Music was his life. He snubbed college and went on to perform at various venues and he made a few singles that did well in Germany. He was all about music. He was poor, but happy. My father was very disappointed in him. The only person unhappy in this equation was my father.

Then at age 30, my brother wanted to continue his music, but realized that he needed a day job to pay the bills. He went back to community college and became an electrician. Now he has a “job” to finance his true passion which is music. He even has a production studio in his home.

My brother makes more money than I do and I have a college degree in commerce. It’s a joke in our family now.
That’s funny about your brother. 🙂 I did something a little opposite. I had always felt music was my calling, but instead of attending a conservatory or music school, I decided to get a degree in something different, and then pursue music afterwards. I don’t regret one part of my education, as I took advantage of every opportunity given, in terms of a variety of classes, volunteer work, taking language courses that I knew would help me with my potential career in classical singing, etc. I even studied mass communications abroad for a semester, just so I could have a more open mind about how people in other countries and cultures lived. All I knew before then was how life was like as an American. Learning about life outside of my country in books or the news was fine up to a point, but actually living it was such a mind-opening experience. Every time I came back from abroad after a long period of time of study, I was a little changed and it was always for the better. Being able to expand my knowledge, my outlook in life, my critical thinking skills.

Anyway, I do not really do anything that has to do with my degree. I did pursue my career in classical voice and opera, after having further study in conservatory as well as private study here in the States and abroad in Europe, which I personally think was more beneficial and valuable than music school or conservatory, although both can be beneficial, now that I have experienced both.

I don’t know what I would have done had my parents not want me to attend college. I was one of the better students in my class, honor society, high gpa, always hungered to learn and know more. If the only reason I could not attend college was because I was a girl and my parents were trying to “shelter” me, I think I would have rebelled and found a way to attend, although it would have been so much harder.
 
I’m pretty sure St Catherine of Sienna, St Hildegard of Bingen, St Teresa of Avila, eminent women of learning and Doctors of the Church, would not be impressed.

Sts Katharine of Sweden, Elizabeth of Hungary, Margaret of Scotland, also married women who raised children in the faith, besides being benevolent monarchs and examples to their people, were also pretty well read from what I can tell.

youtube.com/watch?v=KtprX8i2k-Q
 
I’m pretty sure St Catherine of Sienna, St Hildegard of Bingen, St Teresa of Avila, eminent women of learning and Doctors of the Church, would not be impressed.

Sts Katharine of Sweden, Elizabeth of Hungary, Margaret of Scotland, also married women who raised children in the faith, besides being benevolent monarchs and examples to their people, were also pretty well read from what I can tell.

youtube.com/watch?v=KtprX8i2k-Q
The honest difference here is that these women you cited were educated in a very different setting compared to ours. Universities today = drinking, partying, clubbing, drugs, alcohol, sex, sex, and lot more sex.

Your orientation day begins with giving you a packet of condoms in most Universities.

So given that a woman will be a stay at home mother, there is a real question as to whether she should attend University and put herself at risk.

I personally think a good compromise is to have the daughter attend the University closest to ones home so that she can continue to live at home with the family to help her through the peer pressure. Most women who stay in residence or off-campus housing just give into peer pressure out of loneliness.

As for women who want to be other things like Doctors or Nuns, they have a cause worthy of putting themselves through that risk. Though Nuns should probably be educated in a different setting is possible. I would hate to have a Church full of nuns that partied, drank and had lots and lots of of sex before they put on their habit. Seems like it undermines the whole point of being a Nun.
 
The honest difference here is that these women you cited were educated in a very different setting compared to ours. Universities today = drinking, partying, clubbing, drugs, alcohol, sex, sex, and lot more sex.

Your orientation day begins with giving you a packet of condoms in most Universities.

So given that a woman will be a stay at home mother, there is a real question as to whether she should attend University and put herself at risk.

I personally think a good compromise is to have the daughter attend the University closest to ones home so that she can continue to live at home with the family to help her through the peer pressure. Most women who stay in residence or off-campus housing just give into peer pressure out of loneliness.

As for women who want to be other things like Doctors or Nuns, they have a cause worthy of putting themselves through that risk. Though Nuns should probably be educated in a different setting is possible. I would hate to have a Church full of nuns that partied, drank and had lots and lots of of sex before they put on their habit. Seems like it undermines the whole point of being a Nun.
I would definitely want my kids to attend university near home too. We live in a big city with 3 universities all available via transit, so this would be very possible.
 
if you can’t trust that the faith has taken hold enough for your daughter to handle herself appropriately, why would you think it will hold up when faced with challenges later? it’s strength of belief and conviction that matters not trying to shield someone from every possible temptation. btw, as an educated male, it is nice to be able to have educated conversations with my spouse. and what if she’s unable to have children?
 
Well, I don’t want to start an argument in your family, :D

but I believe that since you attended college and your brother didn’t, you are a “bigger” and better person for it.
The question isn’t whether she is better off for having gone to college. The question is whether or not her brother would have been better off if he had gone. It is a profitable experience in its own right, without regards to money, but that is not without regards to whether or not it is an experience that fits the person going through it. It is also an enterprise that is too demanding, too expensive, and too time-consuming to put someone through when they aren’t in a position to reap the personal rewards that it offers to those suited to it.

The military is like that, too. It is a life-altering and life-affirming experience for some, it is necessary that some do it, but others find it nothing but pure H$%#. Those others shouldn’t be pushed into it just because it was great for their parent or for a sibling.
 
The honest difference here is that these women you cited were educated in a very different setting compared to ours. Universities today = drinking, partying, clubbing, drugs, alcohol, sex, sex, and lot more sex.

Your orientation day begins with giving you a packet of condoms in most Universities.
Honestly, it’s the kind of people with whom you hang around and many times, that begins sooner than college. It also depends on how good of an influence your parents were. I never drank, clubbed, did drugs or had sex whilst in university. In fact, my husband and I were both virgins when we married. We attended the same university. I mention this not because I think it made us any better, but to show that if you have the right kind of support from parents before going away to college and had a strong moral and spiritual conviction, it’s not as uncommon to successfully avoid the temptations. We had many friends who also did not engage in the kind of lifestyle that some young adults do. We also had friends who did. I always made it clear to those who did that I was not interested in that kind of activity. They respected that and left me alone. Many of the people I knew who did all of the underaged drinking, sex, clubbing, drugs, etc. were doing it when their were high school… some as young as 13 or 14. I’m sure there were some who went wild after leaving their parents’ wings, but it often times was not the case. They were doing it before they even left their homes for college.
So given that a woman will be a stay at home mother, there is a real question as to whether she should attend University and put herself at risk.

I personally think a good compromise is to have the daughter attend the University closest to ones home so that she can continue to live at home with the family to help her through the peer pressure. Most women who stay in residence or off-campus housing just give into peer pressure out of loneliness.

As for women who want to be other things like Doctors or Nuns, they have a cause worthy of putting themselves through that risk. Though Nuns should probably be educated in a different setting is possible. I would hate to have a Church full of nuns that partied, drank and had lots and lots of of sex before they put on their habit. Seems like it undermines the whole point of being a Nun.
Perhaps the real question is actually should any parent feel safe sending their SON or DAUGHTER to a university. If we believe the idea that most kids will fall into sin when they attend college (which I still believe is not the case), shouldn’t we also be protecting our sons from sinful falls and ruining themselves with venerial diseases, potential for alcoholism, drug overdoses, etc. ? Why all of the focus on the women? You know, I have this feeling that there are some people who think that females are somehow weak-minded and can’t handle themselves when placed “at risk”. (I’m not saying you think this way as I haven’t been acquainted enough with your ideas and opinions.) Not all males need to go to college, either, yet, I know of no articles that touch on that subject of putting our sons “at risk”.

I also think the next question is the maturity level of your SON and DAUGHTER. Can you evaluate how well your child can handle living on his/her own in a college environment, to be able to walk away from situations that can lead them to sin? If a child seems to not be emotionally, spiritually or mentally mature enough, maybe it is time to rethink sending them away to college or to college, period.

In regards to having kids live at home, I don’t have a problem with that, especially if both sons and daughters are encouraged to live at home and especially if they are not quite at the maturity level they should be at to handle these kinds of situations. It would certainly save money, as on-campus living can be pricey. I valued living on campus, too, though. It helped me acclimate to living on my own once I graduated from college, because I really loved my family and being at home. I turned down a scholarship to an out-of-state university because I didn’t want to be so far away from my parents. I attended in-state, but stayed on campus and went home many weekends to continue my music training along with my normal studies. I knew, though, through my prayers that I had to push myself to let my wings grow and eventually fly. I would not have been able to do that had I decided to stay at home. I’m just thankful college tuition was not like it is now.
 
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