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bones_IV
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Pray for their conversion.Perhaps we’re hoping that dissident Catholics will read this, and follow their dissident priests out the door…
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TheRaiders
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In response to Nohome, who seems to revel in any controversy involving the Catholic Church—I wonder why? (Removed needless comment) Anyway, celebate priests are still priests. It is NOT encouraged they become priests, it is actually something to be worried about when considering a priest to be ordained. It is a dissordered state of mind, and just like any other dissorder, should be accounted for when judging someone’s character. Even under the new clarification it is entirely possible for a celebate gay candidate to become a priest, but it will be made much harder. They can not be proud of their gayness, or even adopt it as some kind of identity, no more than someone tempted constantly by adultery should announce themselves always and everywhere as an adulterer. Gay men are much more likely to be attracted to adolescent boys. This is proven. In order to understand this problem you must read about its history. When psychology, at the pressure of the liberal movements of the 60’s took away the dissordered status of homosexual tendancies, the Church, who used psychology tests to check out the candidates for the priesthood, no longer could use this as a barometer for how likely this person is going to do something bad (molest kids, or have sexual relations with anyone). Also, the Church wanted so bad to be accepting, and not “descriminate”, that it went the other way with it and became blind to a huge problem. Straight men joined monestaries only to find out it was a homosexual stomping ground. Some were even shunned for being conservative, masculine men.
Pope John Paul II was also so worried about descriminating because in Poland homosexuals were not allowed, so he turned a blind eye and even promoted gays to Bishop and Cardinal. The sex scandals would by and large never have happened if psychological tests had included scrutiny of one’s homosexual tendancies and attraction to boys.
Pope John Paul II was also so worried about descriminating because in Poland homosexuals were not allowed, so he turned a blind eye and even promoted gays to Bishop and Cardinal. The sex scandals would by and large never have happened if psychological tests had included scrutiny of one’s homosexual tendancies and attraction to boys.
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TheRaiders
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Sorry, celebate gay priests in that sentence near the top.
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Catholic29
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Okay, your right, this priest must be a very holy man for rejecting the Church’s teaching. Certainly someone very deserving of our compassion, NOT.:nope:
Anyhow I never said homosexuals were disordered in my post, however I will say their sexual inclinations are. Along with their need of much prayer from us.
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Confiteor
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This part I didn’t agree with…
Why not be compassionate? Aren’t we called to be compassionate to everyone, even those in a state of mortal sin or those who have left the Church? Didn’t Jesus seek out his lost sheep? What he’s done is wrong (and hurts us all. to some extent)…but we have to keep praying and otherwise encouraging people in these circumstances to return to the practice of an authentic faith.
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Libero
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Compassion is required most for those who reject or struggle with church teaching. Further more, this man has not rejected church teaching, he has actually said that he does not feel as if he can work any longer for a church that he is not fully comfortable with.
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Angels_Watchin
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God bless him for his honesty and humility. I pray that all priests/bishops in the same situation will resign. This will give them time in the privateness of their solitude to consider the teachings of God and His church.
I am sad to see so many ‘good riddance’ posts on a site that is Catholic.
God be with all priests in similar situations; in their honesty and hopefully their enlightenment.
God bless this priest.
Angel
I am sad to see so many ‘good riddance’ posts on a site that is Catholic.
God be with all priests in similar situations; in their honesty and hopefully their enlightenment.
God bless this priest.
Angel
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Nohome
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Angels Watchin:
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Angel, I really believe this would be best. Now, if people could respectfully allow them to leave without unkind words we’d be onto something.
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AJC
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Apparently the “distress” of Father Sensitive bothers you more than the fact that this “priest” cannot and will not adhere to Church teaching. So don’t point your finger at me or anyone else. We are just as “distressed” by that priest’s attitude toward the teaching of the Church. The Church is not a group therapy session for malcontents.All this “cya” and “buh bye” nonsense is ridiculous :tsktsk:
I am shocked that people would behave in such a childish way about a matter that is clearly quite distressing for this priest. As well as this, this silly behaviour acheives nothing.
AJC :nope:
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AJC
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Angels Watchin:
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Angel, the problem is that he did not keep it private. He had to make a big enough pronouncement that the secular media took notice. I still say a big Good Riddance!
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fix
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Angels_Watchin
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He e mailed a message to administrators and some students. Appropriate action considering the circumstances.
HE did not go to the press. HE did not issue a press release. HE did not go to an organization to issue a press release. HE did not speak to the press. HE did not stand in a public forum at the college campus and proclaim this.
When a professor at a college resigns it CANNOT BE held private.
He did it honorably. God help him.
“they knew them because of their great love for one another”
He is struggling. I will pray for him and others like him who have this disorder.
It’s a “disorder”. He, right now, maybe cannot see the truth of that. But, under miserable circumstances, he did the right thing. That’s God talking, and taking him to a new place, spiritually.
WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME JOURNEY - ***WE ALL HAVE DISORDERS!! BUT IN GOD"S GREAT MERCY, ***BIT BY BIT,WE SEE THE TRUTH OF GOD"S TEACHINGS. WE MUST SLOWLY BUT SURELY TURN OUR HEARTS, SOULS, MINDS TO HIM.
May God have mercy on his soul. AND ON OURS!
Please, everyone who reads this, offer a prayer for the conversion of hearts and minds of all those with this disordered inclination and especially Fr. Robert Pierson.
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Franze
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It´s better less priests and good that more and bad.
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emsvetich
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Angels Watchin:
The issue is that he has been living within the Catholic Church, knowing full well that he was not in communion with it’s teachings. He could have resigned quietly if he had been less outspoken about his displeasure with the Church. I have compassion for him, but I have to ask why he thought that he was above the Church on this matter. He chose to hide his problem. He did the “wrong thing” when he entered the priesthood. Everyone makes choices. He made a poor one. I have more compassion for the souls that may have been led astray by him over the years.
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Angels_Watchin
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At the time he was ordained, is it possible that the director of the seminary, the bishop doing the ordaining and most of the professors there were active homosexuals and had convinced him (and many others) that this was “not a problem but a gift of understanding that God has given you”?
Please read this link
thewandererpress.com/a10-27-2005.htm
and
rcf.org/pdfs/AMDGsummer2005Final.pdf (go to page 6 on this PDF file)
Quoted briefly below:
While Father Mott, as a member of Saint Sebastian’s Angels, did not participate in the exchange of nude or pornographic photos, he (to our knowledge) never registered any objections. He did speak of his homosexual orientation and of the nude beach he frequented, and bragged about the number of homosexuals he brought into the priesthood while he was Director of Vocations for his religious order. …
Now that Fr. Mott is stationed at a San Diego parish with a school, I must say that I would never allow my children, especially my sons, to have their confessions heard by Fr. Mott or to go to him for counseling. While I am sure Father Mott is a “nice, likeable person”, in my opinion his involvement with St. Sebastian’s Angels and the comments he made in his e-mails make him not only unfit to serve in the above-mentioned roles, but also make him unsuitable for the priesthood.
The following is a small sampling of the content of some of Father Mott’s e-mails to the Saint Sebastian’s Angels e-mail list. They are presented without typographical correction.
*From: **OsagartII@aol.com *John in Maine: I’m afraid I have to disagree with you. I have been the VD (vocations director - added for clarification) for 12 years, and the provincial for the last eight of these same years. I’ve had men on my council and on theformation team who have tired to keep gays out of our candidacy program. Yes, the system can grind men into powder, but then it did Christ. And yet the FATHER SENT HIM. I encouraged gay men to stay with us, in spite of what they may have to endure, as the gay laity NEED them. All of us gay, clergy and lay are in this Church together, and we need to be the voice of FAITHFILLED REASON . As least that’s my thought on the matter. Jim…
*From: **OsagartII@aol.com Hi George: Welcome to THE support group! I have been in one for four years. As you get to know other priests in your area who are gifted with being gay, and with whom you feelyou would like to share your journey plunge in and ask them. In my group five are gay and one gay friendly. Jim in San Diego
That’s an example of the brainwashing that has allowed this disastorous situation to occur in the first place and has allowed it to continue. MANY WERE NEVER TAUGHT THE TEACHINGS OF THE CHURCH! Active homosexuals run the show. Why do you think the vatican is sending people to investigate the seminaries? and how do you know what he knew was right and wrong?
Please, many of them went because it was a perfect environment for their disorder (*and they were encouraged in it!) *and many others were brainwashed while they were there.
Please don’t judge this man.
God help us,
Angel
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frommi
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This is a priest that I have had the opportunity to meet in the past. He is a good man and a good priest. I never got the impression he was indoctrinating students against church teaching.
I’m saddened at the tone of the many things being stated here.
This is not something to be celebrated with such flippant remarks as “c ya” or “good riddance”.
I’m saddened at the tone of the many things being stated here.
This is not something to be celebrated with such flippant remarks as “c ya” or “good riddance”.
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Angels_Watchin
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frommi
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Angels Watchin:
frommi:
No. I’ve met the man once upon a visit to the campus up there.
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stanley123
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Jennifer J said:
A Catholic priest says that " he was denied promotions and retaliated against time after time because he would not participate in the homosexual relationships so rampant in the various schools, churches, brothers, priests and supervisors."
michnews.com/article_12_13_05.shtml
The priest also says that :
“Due to the fact that there is far in excess of half of all priests and religious in the United States who are actively homosexual, the climate has existed that pedophiles and/or predators have been able to infiltrate ministry or religious life and have been protected, defended, supported, moved around and kept in ministry by bishops due to a reciprocal type of blackmail. Pedophiles and predators in ministry and religious life have successfully sexually abused children for decades because of or due to the fear of exposure of actively homosexual bishops, archbishops, cardinals and a massive amount of and high percentage of actively homosexuals in ministry. The plaintiff has acted to expose this hypocrisy that has and continues to endanger children and has been retaliated against because of this.”
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AJC
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Angels Watchin:
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The FACT (see I can Bold Face also) said Fr. Malcontent had to point out that he was in disagreement with Church teaching was sure to appeal to the secular media, who for the most part, hate the Church. Angel, it is one thing to say I resign for personal reasons and quite another to resign and make a statement. That is what the padre did.
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