SKorea storms Somali pirates to rescue ship crew

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stanmaxkolbe said:
Regardless of the wisdom behind these frequent military or diplomatic initiatives, their overall, long-term impact most often benefited the peoples involved as well as the world at large.
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That is a matter of opinion.
stanmaxkolbe said:
Unlike other empires in human history, the powerful American sphere of influence has generally promoted the cause of both prosperity and liberty.
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So long as it suited American interests but there are plenty of examples of the precise opposite occuring.
 
With respect to the “Corsairs” of North Africa, they preyed on shipping and coastal towns from 1492 to 1825 or so.

You can read many books about “Jefferson’s War” … the war(s) of 1805, the raids by Admiral Nelson, etc, but the pirate attacks didn’t stop until Spain, France, Italy, and England occupied the northern area of Africa.

And the pirate attacks stayed stopped until independence around 1960 [and also the discovery of oil and natural gas, which generated the money to resume financing terrorism.]

It took 300+ years of terrible pirate attacks, the seizing of Europeans as slaves, etc etc, before England, France, Spain and Italy finally took definitive action.

“Piratical behavior” may be endemic to the tribal system of society.

Read your Old Testament … look at the way the Assyrians [Syria of today], the Persians [Iran], the Phillistines [Palestineans], Babylonians … and into Africa … the Tuoreg … etc … and all the hundreds of other tribes behaved back then … and now.

Not much has changed … except where Christianity flowered.

But Christianity was chased out after a few hundred years by Islam.

And now we’re back to the bad old days.
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
That is a matter of opinion.

So long as it suited American interests but there are plenty of examples of the precise opposite occuring.
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So what are you implying that the United States is evil and should stay within its borders. So give me some examples of the evils of the United States.

As for doing things to protect American interest—hell yes I don’t have problem with that—in fact I did some of them and proud of it.
 
stanmaxkolbe said:
So what are you implying that the United States is evil and should stay within its borders.

I’m not implying that the United States is evil but I do think we should stay within our borders.
stanmaxkolbe;7499431:
So give me some examples of the evils of the United States.
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Augusto Pinochet, Saddam Hussein, Jorge Videla, Suharto, etc. Do those names ring any bells?
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EmperorNapoleon said:
I’m not implying that the United States is evil but I do think we should stay within our borders.

Augusto Pinochet, Saddam Hussein, Jorge Videla, Suharto, etc. Do those names ring any bells?
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As for Saddam Hussein yeah they were at war with Iran at the time and what we gave them an out dated missile system the majority of his support came from the Soviet Union.

Yes during the Cold War the United States and Soviet Union made deals with the devil to protect our interests.

What I’m talking about the United States military never and I say never done stuff like what the Japanese and Germans did in WWII—it was never the policy of the United States to do the horrible things those governments supported.

If we stayed in our borders you would probably have some troops come to your home and rape your family, trust me that’s what happens in some countries south of us and I’m not talking about Mexico—you keep it over there man; you don’t want a DMZ around the United States—that’s just a cold hard fact.

Because if you do; you can wake up and somebody’s cutting your throat—true story man.
 
stanmaxkolbe said:
As for Saddam Hussein yeah they were at war with Iran at the time and what we gave them an out dated missile system the majority of his support came from the Soviet Union.]
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We gave him a lot more than that.
stanmaxkolbe said:
What I’m talking about the United States military never and I say never done stuff like what the Japanese and Germans did in WWII—it was never the policy of the United States to do the horrible things those governments supported.
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The United States helped install them and supported them despite their crimes against humanity. So to say that the US “generally” supports prosperity and liberty is a farce given the fact that many, if not most, of the governments the US installed and/or otherwise supported were/are some of the most violent, oppressive, brutal, and homicidal of the 20th century. It may not be the policy of the United States to allow our military to engage in these things but the US certainly hasn’t a qualm paying and rewarding others to do our dirty work.
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
The United States helped install them and supported them despite their crimes against humanity. So to say that the US “generally” supports prosperity and liberty is a farce given the fact that many, if not most, of the governments the US installed and/or otherwise supported were/are some of the most violent, oppressive, brutal, and homicidal of the 20th century. It may not be the policy of the United States to allow our military to engage in these things but the US certainly hasn’t a qualm paying and rewarding others to do our dirty work.
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WRONG!

You need to study some real American history and not those from some leftwing hating America college professor.
 
stanmaxkolbe said:
WRONG!

You need to study some real American history and not those from some leftwing hating America college professor.
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The real American history is that all of the individuals I mentioned were installed with aide from the United States and/or supported by the United States despite their outrageous crimes against humanity. This is no secret and I doubt you can argue that any of them are examples of US support of prosperity and liberty. They were, however, sufficiently anti-communist for the United States to look the other way when they committed attrocities and continue supporting them. Of course, as far as their people, “liberation” from communism doesn’t do you much good when you’re dead.
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
The real American history is that all of the individuals I mentioned were installed with aide from the United States and/or supported by the United States despite their outrageous crimes against humanity. This is no secret and I doubt you can argue that any of them are examples of US support of prosperity and liberty. They were, however, sufficiently anti-communist for the United States to look the other way when they committed attrocities and continue supporting them. Of course, as far as their people, “liberation” from communism doesn’t do you much good when you’re dead.
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There if far more examples of the United States doing greater good throughout the world and you know it.

Name me a better country?
 
stanmaxkolbe said:
There if far more examples of the United States doing greater good throughout the world and you know it.
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Not really. The United States props up more violent and oppressive dictatorships than it does governments which promote prosperity and liberty.
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
Not really. The United States props up more violent and oppressive dictatorships than it does governments which promote prosperity and liberty.
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Name me a better country?

I notice you did not answer the question?

You need to stop listening to those far left American hating college professors.

If you think the United States is evil? Well pack your bags and leave; you have the freedom to do that. 👋
 
stanmaxkolbe said:
Name me a better country?

I notice you did not answer the question?

You need to stop listening to those far left American hating college professors.

If you think the United States is evil? Well pack your bags and leave; you have the freedom to do that. 👋
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Canada

Also back on topic, the US should recognize and support Somaliland, and initial outlay of $1 billion would be tremendous amounts
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
Because which country is the best isn’t at issue here.

I believe that the U.S. can be changed for the better and I’m happy to do that from the inside. 🙂
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How is it possible, I wonder, to claim to be a good Catholic and not be able to understand that his country is not all good, pure and holy? After all, part of our faith requires that we examine our lives, confess our sins and do penance for them. Considering our country consists of millions and millions of flawed, sinful people who often make flawed, sinful decisions, it’s possible for a country to be good, a force for good and at the same time have flaws that need confession and penance. Ancient Israel was actually God’s declared chosen people and look at what they went through. People merely assume that mantle for the United States (with absolutely no basis in Scripture or Apostolic Tradition) and then say we never, ever err in our judgment as a people? Insanity!
 
LCMS_No_More said:
How is it possible, I wonder, to claim to be a good Catholic and not be able to understand that his country is not all good, pure and holy? After all, part of our faith requires that we examine our lives, confess our sins and do penance for them. Considering our country consists of millions and millions of flawed, sinful people who often make flawed, sinful decisions, it’s possible for a country to be good, a force for good and at the same time have flaws that need confession and penance. Ancient Israel was actually God’s declared chosen people and look at what they went through. People merely assume that mantle for the United States (with absolutely no basis in Scripture or Apostolic Tradition) and then say we never, ever err in our judgment as a people? Insanity!
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Because that’s not what we’re talking about; has the United States made mistakes? Yes.

Show where I posted that the United States is ALL GOOD?

Typical liberal response stating facts that are not factual. :rolleyes:

If you look at our brief history the United States has done way more good for the world than evil—and that’s just a fact.

Emperor stated; “So to say that the US “generally” supports prosperity and liberty is a farce”

Tell that to the Europeans, tell that to the Far East, tell that to Kuwait.

To say the United States has not contributed to the greater good of the world is not factual.

Every time countries gets into trouble or has a disaster they pick up the phone and call 911—United States can you help us?

BTW you’re asking an Agnostic about how can a good Catholic? :rolleyes:
 
stanmaxkolbe said:
If you look at our brief history the United States has done way more good for the world than evil—and that’s just a fact.]
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That is an opinion; not a fact.
stanmaxkolbe said:
Tell that to the Europeans, tell that to the Far East, tell that to Kuwait.
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Tell that to the Middle East, South America, and the Phillipines. I’m confident that their populations don’t think the US installation and support of brutal dictatorships led them to prosperity and liberty.
stanmaxkolbe said:
To say the United States has not contributed to the greater good of the world is not factual.
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I haven’t denied that the United States has contributed to the greater good but there’s a HUGE difference between contributing and generally supporting.
 
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