You continue to misunderstand as my point is that modern day “slain in the spirit” events do not resemble encounters of God by people who were right with God. It is the unsaved who back away - the saved fall or bow face down.
But to show you Srciptural evidence:
1 Sam 4:18 When he mentioned the ark of God,** Eli fell backward **off his chair by the side of the gate.
His neck was broken and he died, for he was an old man and heavy. He had led Israel forty years.
Isaiah 28:13 So then, the word of the LORD to them will become: …–so that
they will go and fall backward, be injured and snared and captured.
Now before you suggest someone is being dishonest in the future, I suggest make sure it is not your misunderstanding that is the problem.
Those two texts don’t work either because neither is under the influnce of a demon. In fact, the Hebrew for both the word translated “backward” simply means “down” or “downward”. If you read the rest of Isiah 28 for example you will see a parrallelism in verse 15 with the result in verse 18. When you take a Hebrew verse of pose out of context your meaning gets jumbled. What is happening here is the drunkards are falling down to sheol or the world of the underworld.
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13 Then the word of the LORD came to them:
"Law after law, law after law,
line after line, line after line,
a little here, a little there," [f]
so they go stumbling backwards,
to be broken, trapped, and captured.
A Deal with Death
14 Therefore hear the word of the LORD, you mockers
who rule this people in Jerusalem.
15 For you said, “We have cut a deal with Death,
and we have made an agreement with Sheol;
when the overwhelming scourge passes through,
it will not touch us,
because we have made falsehood our refuge
and have hidden behind treachery.”
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18 Your deal with Death will be dissolved,
and your agreement with Sheol will not last.
When the overwhelming scourge passes through,
**you will be trampled.**
You started this thread with the claim, that
According to the Scriptures:
- every instance of someone "falling down in the presence of God in Scripture or “being slain in the Holy Spirit” that person falls forward.
- every instance of someone " falling down in the presence of a demon" or “being slain by an evil spirit”, that person falls backward. And they usually convulse!!!
None of your proof texts proves the second claim.
Concerning your
first claim, you quoted texts where one is supposely “slain in the Spirit”, but the text does not support your claim that they fall forward. The phrases of “falling forward” texts you quote have nothing to do with someone being “slain in the Spirit”. In each case a person is paying homage, not litterally falling in such a way that would require one to be caught.
Concerning your
second claim,
Each of your falling back proof texts does not have a person being “slain by an evil spirit”, nor is there even any reference to a demon being present. When you refer to demon possessions, all you have is someone falling down in convulsions. And, it does not say what direction they fell. You are also, confusing Hebrew pose for literalism and thus missing the whole point that they are falling down to the underworld, sheol.
To try to get around your original statements you try to spiritualize texts to read into it what you want to see there. If a preacher is teaching you these things then he is a poor preacher indeed because he lacks serious exegesis. John 18:6 plainly says they stepped back, it does not say what dierection they fell. One can only assume the dierecion they fell. Being in hill country, they may have very well stepped back onto the side of hill and thus fall sideways. Or as some commentators suggest they accutually paid Jesus homage, which would mean they fell forward or they simply fell down without any direction being indicated as the text itself says.
To prove you claims you need to:
According to the Scriptures:
identifly every instance in scripture where one is in God’s presence and show that there are no places where they did not fall forwards, remember one execption like God speaking to a child in the Temple in a still small voice would negate your claim.
identifly every instance without expections where one is slain in the spirit as is claimed today where one does NOT voluntary fall on their face in homage.
identifly every instance of someone " falling down in the presence of a demon" that they did in fact fall backwards — your texts lacks the presense of the demon. In my experience someone falling down in convulsions or seisures usually falls forward or sideways, rarely backwards.
identifly every instance of someoner “being slain by an evil spirit” without execption that person falls backward.
I for one would not see one slain by an evil spirit as being equal to demon possesion because a christian is possessed by Jesus, that is the Holy Spirit lives in us. That would be equal to a demon living in a non-believer, thus possessed. We know that the convulsions or seisures relates to demon possesson.
Being slain by, as I understand from pentecostal theologians has the meaning of being filled with or enpowered by God. Thus you would have to find texts that starts with “filled by a demon” or maybe “full of a demon”, and not full of “spirits” like in Isaiah 28.
spirits in case of Isaiah 28 is not demons, it is booze.
You killed yourself in this thread by using the words “every instance”.
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