Slain in the Spirit

[MorningSong51]

I have seen people fall forward in adoration and honor. I have seen people fall backward due to the work of the devil, both physically and spiritually. I have seen people rest in the Spirit, which is unrelated to either of the first two.

At revivals - Charismatic gatherings? Like Ginger2, described?

If this hadn’t been done - Ginger probably wouldn’t have posted what she saw - and what she knows to be the wrong from this type of Charismatic movement - like you said, Ginger is stating that this was wrong.

Ginger2 has two false premises she is using to draw her conclusion that the phenomenon is wrong. You seem to be attempting to refute this using an invalid arguement.

I have read several posts responding to the OP’s "question, but note she did not ask one. She is only making a statement that she does not believe this experience is from God.

Also, I didn’t refute anything, by the way. In my comment to you:

However, this doesn’t mean I’m either right or wrong - it’s been done! If this hadn’t been done - Ginger probably wouldn’t have posted what she saw - and what she knows to be the wrong from this type of Charismatic movement - like you said, Ginger is stating that this was wrong.

So, that its kind of straight - I’m not the one who is advocating the position from another movement. I’ve been to a Charismatic gathering - I’ve witness the behavior (as I’ve mentioned) it may not be “what” you would approve of - but it is not my congregation.

Catholics are strongly discouraged by the Church from attending non-Catholic services that have these practices. Of course it is their free choice. For a Catholic, it is a poor choice.

and here’s the refute comment came from Ginger2:

(sigh) Catholics post here but we are not talking about what Catholics do. We are discussing what non-catholics call “slain in the spirit”

The reason I don’t believe they are having a “God experience” is because it doesn’t click with what happened in the Scriptures. I have already listed several verses to back up my opinion.

The only time I read about people falling backward is those who are unsaved or demon possessed.

Thank you…such a long way around the bend.

 

[guanophore]

Again, I worded the conversation, “I understand” and l also said, “I understand that the group that you belong to (Catholic Charismatic Renewal) might be structured entirely different from other denominations/movements outside of the church, which is obvious”

It is not obvious to a great many people.

and I don’t really want to appear rude

I don’t find you rude at all my dear. Possibly given to flights of fancy and very active imagination, and some tangential thinking, but not at all rude.

• but haven’t been able to discuss all other denominations in this thread because you’re relating most of these conversations toward the Catholic Charismatic Faith - and I’m trying to tell you that the OP message on this was: "Catholics post here but we are not talking about what Catholics do. We are discussing what **non-catholics call “slain in the spirit” **

I have also spent 20+ years frequenting the pentecostal congregations and prayer meetings of non-catholics. I can assure you that none of the analagies, interpretations or speculations you have made apply anymore to their concept of being slain in the Spirit than they do to Catholics.

Although your response to this term, has had some negative comments, you feel it is not a modern term used to describe a spiritual phenomenon, but a physical. And yet, there are other sources that would differ with you - each to his/her own.

No, there are not. There are no sources that reference what the OP is talking about differently.

From the point of view of modern Fundamentalism, the phrase “slain in the spirit” refers to a falling phenomenon that is not referenced in Scripture anywhere. The point of the OP is that, since it is not in Scripture, then it is not of God.

Although you don’t care for the term, which certainly was introduced by Pentecostals - it is a conversation (again) for those who do use the term. I’ve given some feed back on this - and quit honestly, Guanophore, if you feel that its wrong to step outside the faith to attend another revival - how could you possibly be able to answer Ginger? In a honest way? about what another denomination might answer?

Been there. Done that.

Even such - you are a Charismatic member, and you response has not related to that question, or have you followed up with Ginger on what she meant - I’ve not seen that discussion with her.

Ginger2 did not ask any questions.

You are right. My responses have addressed your apparent lack of understanding of the phenomenon mentioned in the OP. I am quite clear about what Ginger2 means. But I am certain, having had dialogue with her in many threads over a long period of time, she will certainly clarify matters if it appears to her that I do not.

Ginger had given scriptural points, and there are other religions who do view those points much differently than our own faith, and also accordingly to how they may interpret that part.

Ginger cannot give any scriptural references about the modern Pentecostal falling phenomenon because there are none to give.

Ginger is not interested in “other religions”, but Christians who embrace this belief that she considered unbiblical. She doesn’t believe it, and there are no biblical grounds from her perspective why any Christian should believe it.

So now that we lost the flavor in the thread, it is very difficult to have a discuss on the question about what all other denominations call “slain in the spirit” and maybe discuss the comparisons with the Catholic Charismatic faith, when literally the discussion has been on what the OP’s message was and wasn’t about in her message.

I dont’ know what to tell you, Morning. You have wandered all over tarnation in your efforts to find some other meaning for the term, other than what she is posting about. I suggest you read some Pentecostal literature, or watch some You Tube videos of the phenomenon so you will be able to relate better to the thread topic.

Also, for those who have attended Charismatic Revivals in the past, like myself, from all the way from the Luther Synod, Charismatic gatherings (non denominational) to the Southern Baptist, I think quite honestly - some are able to give enough information to the OP’s question that would be considered as valid.

I don’t think so. I don’t think there is any evidence that any Pentecostal or charismatic Christian can provide Ginger 2 that she would consider valid. The bottom line is, it is not in the bible, and it is therefore, not from God.

 

[guanophore]

As a matter of courtesy, and putting away the attitude, about what one might experience and also understand from these gatherings, comes from our own personal evaluation, they are neither right or wrong.

The premise is that, if the experience does not “line up with the bible” then it is not authentic.

Revivals - some of the gatherings of people can be very large to very small, as our city hosted an event that the entire community participated with many joiners from “all” denominations - to show unity. It was quite amazing on how the Spirit can join people together for Christ. In a very metaphoric sort of way, the bitter waters can be sweeten, through God’s word.

While this is a wonderful testimony, it also has nothing to do with the thread topic.

Also, the hidden things that comes to light as we join,in unity, with the Spirit who nourishes us. If the Spirit wants to draw us nearer to Christ through other sources outside of our own perimeter, which is a rich benefit.

Also unrelated to the topic.

 

[ltwin]

Frankly, we have two recorded instances in scripture and based on those, Yes I can evaluate modern slain in the spirit claims by simply comparing them with Biblical accounts. Also, I have read what Pentecostal Theoligians ahve written on this topic too. So, yes I do have a vaild point. Also, I can understand the English language, among others and as such I can see the OP has yet to be proven via scripture.

In both accounts it was an Apostle, never the “average” Christian. Can anyone here who says they were slain in the Spirit lay claim to Apostleship? See, Acts 1 for qualifications.

And, the fact that they appear asleep does have merit because that is an observation. Based on the two cases in the NT, both people were aware of things “outside” their body, but not aware of their physical immediate surrroundings. Unless what you claim being slain in the spirit lines up with what we know to be genuine, then they are not the same thing occuring. If they are not the same thing occuring, then those two passages do not support your claims.

Experience has everything to do with it if you are claiming to know what people in this state experience when your claims contradict them. Several people who have experienced this (myself included) have told you that your observation that people slain or resting in the Spirit are asleep or unconscious is an incorrect one. You can believe what ever you want to about the Bible, I find your ideas interesting but not compelling. You have given no evidence that the Scriptures you say describe being slain in the Spirit as something only Apostles experienced actually mean what you say they mean.

Frankly, I find it funny that you are trying to place air tight definitions on these spiritual experiences in Scripture. Do you honestly think that if a person in the Bible experiences the Spirit one way then all people throughout eternity will experience the Spirit in that same way? All of us experience the Spirit differently. What happened to John when he was “in the Spirit on the Lord’s day” is not going to be the same thing that happens to Ltwin when he is “in the Spirit on the Lord’s day.” The Spirit is like the wind, he blows where and how he pleases. You cannot put him in a box; his ministries are many and his manifestations and his gifts are diverse.

 

[po18guy]

Experience has everything to do with it if you are claiming to know what people in this state experience when your claims contradict them. Several people who have experienced this (myself included) have told you that your observation that people slain or resting in the Spirit are asleep or unconscious is an incorrect one. You can believe what ever you want to about the Bible, I find your ideas interesting but not compelling. You have given no evidence that the Scriptures you say describe being slain in the Spirit as something only Apostles experienced actually mean what you say they mean.

Frankly, I find it funny that you are trying to place air tight definitions on these spiritual experiences in Scripture. Do you honestly think that if a person in the Bible experiences the Spirit one way then all people throughout eternity will experience the Spirit in that same way? All of us experience the Spirit differently. What happened to John when he was “in the Spirit on the Lord’s day” is not going to be the same thing that happens to Ltwin when he is “in the Spirit on the Lord’s day.” The Spirit is like the wind, he blows where and how he pleases. You cannot put him in a box; his ministries are many and his manifestations and his gifts are diverse.

Yet again, Amen! The evil one can emulate goodness, because he is a liar, but cannot bear good fruit, since that is antithetical to him. So, following scripture again, we test the spirits by their fruits. Saint Padre Pio received visions and apparitions of spirits. To test them, he demanded that they bow down and worship God. If they complied, he listened to them.

As in each of the charismatic threads I have participated in, I note that no one with actual hands-on experience has doubted, denied or condemned the occurrence, while all who doubt or speak against it have no experience with it. Anyone else see something strange going on here?

 

[po18guy]

Do any here who claimed to have had the experience of being “slain in the Spirit” also have a “thorn in the flesh” or a demon to buffet you?

Well, I have had a few problems with oppression, but the Sacrament of Reconciliation, a heartfelt spiritual warfare prayer, and prayers to Saint Michael the Archangel and the Blessed Virgin Mary have handled it rather well. I am now acutely aware that spirits surround us constantly. Sad it is that it took such occurrences to make me aware of it.

Here is an article that raised the hair on the back of my neck when I read it. It still does. Read it all, or just scroll down to the “possession” portion.

 

[ltwin]

That is also the standard I have been holding that person to, as they claimed.

Now, branching out a little

How is being slain or resting in the Spirit consistent or inconsistent with the nature of God?

A problem I have seen too much in pentecostal circles is a lack of the fruit of the Spirit.

And, it is because of that lack of good fruit that I doubt God would today give someone who is not being buffeted by a demon such an experience.

2 Corinthians 12:7
And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

In short, God giving this experience without giving the same person the experience of a “thorn in the flesh” to keep them humble seems inconsistent and not very likely.

Do any here who claimed to have had the experience of being “slain in the Spirit” also have a “thorn in the flesh” or a demon to buffet you?

Hmm? Pentecostals not bearing fruit? Where have I heard this before? Oh yeah, I’ve heard if from the guy who accused Catholics of not bearing fruit, and also from the guy who accused Methodists of not bearing fruit, oh and don’t forget … You get the point.

I have no idea how you have come to apply this test to being slain in the Spirit. You are asking the wrong question. We all have some thorn in the flesh. Some of us are just too consumed by our own self righteousness to realize or admit it. Paul was not talking about a test of revelations or being slain in the Spirit. He was talking about boasting in the Lord as opposed to ourselves, because we are weak but God is strong. Paul’s thorn in the flesh was a constant reminder that the only thing he could boast in was Christ.

Revelations are tested by an individual’s discernment and the corporate discernment of the body of Christ, NOT by whether you have a thorn in the flesh. You have completely taken this verse out of context.

 

[someguy14]

We all have some thorn in the flesh. Some of us are just too consumed by our own self righteousness to realize or admit it.

John 3:20
For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved .

If you are oppressed by demons, exposing their deeds protects yourself, as we learn from this teaching by Jesus. This is a defense. This protects me from attacks. This draws me closer to God. If you can picture those that do wicked deeds against you, come judgement day, attempting to laugh and rejoice in their wicked deeds in front of a Holy Righteous God, this helps to protect your heart.

 

[fhansen]

I was in a Pentecostal church where people were slain during some kind of service they had on occasion where that behavior was expected. I never could do it. I also witnessed children at the same church practicing this “phenomenon”.

I’ve also been blest, once in my life many years ago and nowhere near a church, with the presence of God engulfing me so overwhelmingly that I literally could not stand in that Presence, and I slumped to the ground in tears of joy and gratitude.

 

[guanophore]

I was in a Pentecostal church where people were slain during some kind of service they had on occasion where that behavior was expected. I never could do it. I also witnessed children at the same church practicing this “phenomenon”.

I’ve also been blest, once in my life many years ago and nowhere near a church, with the presence of God engulfing me so overwhelmingly that I literally could not stand in that Presence, and I slumped to the ground in tears of joy and gratitude.

Certainly it can, and has been, faked. But once a person is overcome by the presence of God in the way you describe, one is satisfied of the authenticity. The devil can mimic, and children can copy, and people can put up a front. But the HS touching the heart and mind in a deep act of healing cannot be replicated on the inside of a person.

 

[ltwin]

John 3:20
For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved .

If you are oppressed by demons, exposing their deeds protects yourself, as we learn from this teaching by Jesus. This is a defense. This protects me from attacks. This draws me closer to God. If you can picture those that do wicked deeds against you, come judgement day, attempting to laugh and rejoice in their wicked deeds in front of a Holy Righteous God, this helps to protect your heart.

I am not exactly sure what you are trying to say in response to my post. Can you explain this in a different way?

 

[po18guy]

I am not exactly sure what you are trying to say in response to my post. Can you explain this in a different way?

Yeah, his verse is about repentance before following Christ.

 

[MorningSong51]

It is not obvious to a great many people.

…not discussing the many.

I don’t find you rude at all my dear. Possibly given to flights of fancy and very active imagination, and some tangential thinking, but not at all rude.

 

[MorningSong51]

Been there. Done that.

with much success and that being guided? Must have been a very rich journey in order to lead you to the religion you have now. Again, how you feel or felt in a very spiritual way about how those religious experiences help you to make that discussion to change or to seek not to mention also the people you’ve meant along the way - these are gifts from above. And I’ll repeat the comment I made:

Guanophore, if you feel that its wrong to step outside the faith to attend another revival - how could you possibly be able to answer Ginger? In a honest way?

Original comment:

Catholics are strongly discouraged by the Church from attending non-Catholic services that have these practices. Of course it is their free choice. For a Catholic, it is a poor choice.

Nice to know - and what religion where you before you step out of yours? and did they recommend attending other services, if not, again - the choice is always on us.

Ginger2 did not ask any questions.

see post #1 - and with the amount of experience you had, the floor was open - and you stepped into the conversation when?

You are right. My responses have addressed your apparent lack of understanding of the phenomenon mentioned in the OP. I am quite clear about what Ginger2 means. But I am certain, having had dialogue with her in many threads over a long period of time, she will certainly clarify matters if it appears to her that I do not.

a spokes person for…

Ginger cannot give any scriptural references about the modern Pentecostal falling phenomenon because there are none to give.

…a spokes person for.

Ginger is not interested in “other religions”, but Christians who embrace this belief that she considered unbiblical. She doesn’t believe it, and there are no biblical grounds from her perspective why any Christian should believe it.

…oh my!

I dont’ know what to tell you, Morning. You have wandered all over tarnation in your efforts to find some other meaning for the term, other than what she is posting about. I suggest you read some Pentecostal literature, or watch some You Tube videos of the phenomenon so you will be able to relate better to the thread topic.

You’ve said quite a bit…

Originally posted by Big Dummy:

Do any here who claimed to have had the experience of being “slain in the Spirit” also have a “thorn in the flesh” or a demon to buffet you?

Yes…!!! Guanophore, do you have any words of wisdom that you would like to share with BD? Be nice!

 

[guanophore]

…How old are you? and what is your status in the church to make such a gross critical assumption of someone else?

Morning, I am a forum member, participating in the thread. Your posts have been fanciful digressions from the OP.

oh! but that has nothing to do with the OP’s message, right - guanophore, did you take control of the thread,yet - TISK:tsktsk:!

No, it does not. And this post is another case in point. Very little of what you have posted on this thread has anything to do with the OP.

Which all fall into the category of:

Flights of fancy - using found in " falling down in the presence of a demon" - see post #1
Very active imagination - And they usually convulse!!! - see post #1
Tangential thinking - go with the territory, on the above.

None of these things have anything to do with the falling phenomenon in the charismatic renewal.

Thank you - you're probably are real hoot at these revivals, and which I'm sure that when someone fall into a spiritual unconsciousness or conscious state, you of all people can be trusted.

You seem to have a misunderstanding, Morning. People who fall under the power of the HS are not “unconscious”. And they are certainly far from spiitually unconscious. The HS gives them heigthened spiitual awareness in those moments, so they are able to experience the presence of God.

As a Trinitarian or Nontrinitarian, and were you a member of the Pentecostal before you became Catholic - Baptized Latin Catholic-Byzantinianized by Ruthenians, Greek Byzantine Catholic Church, Polish, Russian, Czechoslovakian? - as there are some who are and aren’t.

This is an example of one of those sentences that you write that not only seems unrelated to the topic, but seems to be nonsense.

Defining the movement within Christianity that places special emphasis on a direct personal experience of God through the baptism in the Holy Spirit, has an eschatological focus, and is** an **experiential religion

Not sure what your point is here?

Experiential religion - see link: Religious experience and read: [Differing religious traditions have described this fundamental religious experience in different ways](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_experience):

The CCR is NOT an “experiential religion”.

…The point of the OP is that, since it is not in Scripture, then it is not God.

Typical of Baptist - I should know and a few other denominations. So what? Is that an opening for someone in your status - to psychologically analyse or openly criticize them for it? - Huh! That’s rather barbaric of you…

I honestly do not know what you are talking about here Morning, I am sorry.

 

[guanophore]

with much success and that being guided? Must have been a very rich journey in order to lead you to the religion you have now. Again, how you feel or felt in a very spiritual way about how those religious experiences help you to make that discussion to change or to seek not to mention also the people you’ve meant along the way - these are gifts from above.

I am confused by this statement. Not sure it has anything to do with the OP, either. Perhaps you can clarify? You seem to be typing out thoughts strung together that are not full sentences. Perhaps if you could construct sentences out of your thoughts they would be more intelligible?

And I’ll repeat the comment I made:

Guanophore, if you feel that its wrong to step outside the faith to attend another revival - how could you possibly be able to answer Ginger? In a honest way?

And I will repeat my response. Ginger2 did not “ask” anything. There is nothing to “answer”.

Nice to know - and what religion where you before you step out of yours? and did they recommend attending other services, if not, again - the choice is always on us.

This has nothing to do with the topic.

see post #1 - and with the amount of experience you had, the floor was open - and you stepped into the conversation when?

This has nothing to do with the topic.

You do seem to be having trouble focusing on the topic. That is what I meant by “tangential”.

 

[MorningSong51]

Originally Posted by MorningSong51 View Post
…The point of the OP is that, since it is not in Scripture, then it is not God.

Typical of Baptist - I should know and a few other denominations. So what? Is that an opening for someone in your status - to psychologically analyse or openly criticize them for it? - Huh! That’s rather barbaric of you…

I honestly do not know what you are talking about here Morning, I am sorry.

Guanophore,

You mean to tell me, that you (personally - and on this board) have never encountered this statement before? From any religious group that is Nontrinitarianism (or antitrinitarianism)? Oh! my! - and no, this has absolutely nothing to do with OP topic thread…,or even thoughts on the subject.

Also,she’s asked for a non-catholic response: and by the way - her denomination “Is” Protestant" (The doctrines of the various Protestant denominations vary, but most include justification by grace through faith alone, known as Sola Fide, the priesthood of all believers, and the Bible as the ultimate authority in matters of faith and order, known as Sola Scriptura, which is Latin for ‘by scripture alone’) see major groups: LINK

"Original post by Ginger2:

(sigh) Catholics post here but we are not talking about what Catholics do. We are discussing what non-catholics call “slain in the spirit”

The reason I don’t believe they are having a “God experience” is because it doesn’t click with what happened in the Scriptures."

and your denomination is?..Baptized Latin Catholic-Byzantinianized by Ruthenians, Ukrainian? Trinitarian? - You are diffidently not an authority on giving reasons for why Ginger2 - knows that these/or that gathering was in the wrong. Obviously, what she is telling us:

Original post by Ginger2:

I agree with you completely, G. I have been saying all along it is not the same thing. I gave these examples to show that. People falling backward as a sign of being under God’s grace of influence, is not Scriptural.

This is a typical statement that a Baptist will make, Baptists - can be liken to the Protestant religion - as this statement could have been made by other non Trinitarian denomination - (even referring to Trinitarian thoughts on the Blessed Virgin Mary), “if it not in Scripture, then it is not God” - your verbal acclamation to her personally (I call them attacks) and also to her initial thread questions of why she felt the witnessing of these displays at this particular gathering was in the wrong!: LINK

"if it’s not in the Bible, then these folks aren’t going to do it. ”

— Carmen Renee Berry, The Unauthorized Guide to Choosing a Church[9]:240

Churches of Christ seek to practice the principle of the Bible being the only source to find doctrine (also known as “sola scriptura”).[10]:123[50] The Bible is generally regarded as inspired and inerrant.[10]:123 iof Christ generally see the Bible as historically accurate and literal, unless scriptural context obviously indicates otherwise. Regarding church practices, worship, and doctrine, there is great liberty from congregation to congregation in interpreting what is biblically permissible, as congregations are not controlled by a denominational hierarchy.[51] Their approach to the Bible is driven by the “assumption that the Bible is sufficiently plain and simple to render its message obvious to any sincere believer”.[5]:212 Related to this is an assumption that the Bible provides an understandable "blueprint" or “constitution” for the church.[5]:213

Guanophore, that’s why I think you should refrain from what Ginger may think or feel or what Ginger said or didn’t say. You are not an authority within her religious denomination - as in a leadership role.

Obviously, your comments to this were off the topic, as well.

 

[guanophore]

Oh! my! - and no, this has absolutely nothing to do with OP topic thread....,or even thoughts on the subject.

Do you see why it seems that you are having trouble staying on topic?

 Also,she's asked for a non-catholic response:

I think you are mistaken, Morning. The OP did not “ask” for anything.

and by the way - her denomination "Is" Protestant" (The doctrines of the various Protestant denominations vary, but most include justification by grace through faith alone, known as Sola Fide, the priesthood of all believers, and the Bible as the ultimate authority in matters of faith and order, known as Sola Scriptura, which is Latin for 'by scripture alone') see major groups: [LINK](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism)

None of this has anything to do with the thread topic.

You are diffidently not an authority on giving reasons for why Ginger2 - knows that these/or that gathering was in the wrong.

I never claimed to be.

 This is a typical statement that a Baptist will make, Baptists - can be liken to the Protestant religion - as this statement could have been made by other non Trinitarian denomination - (even referring to Trinitarian thoughts on the Blessed Virgin Mary), "if it not in Scripture, then it is not God"

Ok, but how is this related to the topic?

Are you agreeing with Ginger2? If you can’t find it in your Bible, then it is not of God?

• your verbal acclamation to her personally (I call them attacks) and also to her initial thread questions of why she felt the witnessing of these displays at this particular gathering was in the wrong!: LINK

I think you are mistaken, Morning. I have not attacked the OP in any way. Furhtermore, Ginger2 never posted any “initial thread questions”.

— Carmen Renee Berry, The Unauthorized Guide to Choosing a Church[9]:240

Churches of Christ seek to practice the principle of the Bible being the only source to find doctrine (also known as “sola scriptura”).[10]:123[50] The Bible is generally regarded as inspired and inerrant.[10]:123 iof Christ generally see the Bible as historically accurate and literal, unless scriptural context obviously indicates otherwise. Regarding church practices, worship, and doctrine, there is great liberty from congregation to congregation in interpreting what is biblically permissible, as congregations are not controlled by a denominational hierarchy.[51] Their approach to the Bible is driven by the “assumption that the Bible is sufficiently plain and simple to render its message obvious to any sincere believer”.[5]:212 Related to this is an assumption that the Bible provides an understandable "blueprint" or “constitution” for the church.[5]:213

I am well aware that Ginger2 is a “bible only” Christian. What is the point you are trying to make?

Are you in agreement with Ginger2 that, since she cannot find this activity in the Bible, it is not of God?

Guanophore, that’s why I think you should refrain from what Ginger may think or feel or what Ginger said or didn’t say. You are not an authority within her religious denomination - as in a leadership role.

In truth, I don’t even know what denomination she may be. But then, I am not claiming to be an authority on her, either. I have experienced dialogue with her on other threads.

I can also read. and comprehend what I am reading. There are no questions in the OP.

Obviously, your comments to this were off the topic, as well.

Your posts have made it clear that you have no understanding of the nature of the topic, which may explain why you are having a hard time staying on it. The bulk of your posts have nothing to do with the modern pentecostal experience of resting or falling in the Spirit. Neither do any of Ginger2’s scriptural references.

 

[MorningSong51]

Do you see why it seems that you are having trouble staying on topic?

I

think you are mistaken, Morning. The OP did not “ask” for anything.

None of this has anything to do with the thread topic.

I never claimed to be.

Ok, but how is this related to the topic?

Are you agreeing with Ginger2? If you can’t find it in your Bible, then it is not of God?

:ehh: Leading? Don’t ask me - if you assume that I can’t/or can stay on the topic thread? - again, how could you relate to her about this topic, since she bases everything strictly on scripture alone, and has posted that reply.

See post #98,102,113, and 115 - and noting:

"

believe OP’s problem may stem from a logical fallacy in the premise of the thread: that all spiritual events or occurrences must appear in scripture, or be affirmed by scripture. OP is apparently “bible alone” and may not realize how incomplete the bible is as a sole rule of faith

." and 129 “My previous contact with this member on CAF demonstrates that this is indeed the case.”

 

[guanophore]

:ehh: Leading? Don’t ask me - if you assume that I can’t/or can stay on the topic thread?

Is there someone that knows your opinion better than you?

Do you honestly dont’ know if you agree with the statements in the OP, or not?

I am not assuming anything about you, Morning. I am commenting on what I have observed. I see that very little of what you have posted is related to the topic thread.

• again, how could you relate to her about this topic, since she bases everything strictly on scripture alone, and has posted that reply.

If I could not relate to people that believed differently than I, I would not last long on CAF. I enjoy having dialogue with people with varying points of view.

Sola Scriptura is an illogical position, and therefore, makes for a stimulating dialogue.