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Andreas_Hofer said:
Those who assert that nakedness is in and of itself immodest and invariably wrong have a very large argument against them in the baptism practice of the first 3 centuries. How did the Church initiate new members? - IN THE BUFF! That means either a) centuries of Church sacramental practice was tainted by the intrisically evil practice of (semi-public!) nudity or b) there are circumstances in which nudity can be acceptable.

As others have advised, the only question is whether this is going to be an occasion of sin. If not, enjoy!
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I would like evidence of this as well, or some written reference that dates to those days…I’ve heard the statement before, but never any backing for it.
 
Phemie said:
The idea that a boyfriend could presume to tell his girlfriend what to wear to bed just has me shaking my head.
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I think it’s GREAT that a man is telling a woman to be modest. He has standards, AMEN! Besides, she said there were no curtains for the windows…
 
DO NOT SLEEP NAKED IF YOU LIFE IN A FAULT ZONE!!!

I did this for many years and when the big quake hit in LA, I rushed out along with everyone else in my neighborhood, buck naked and panicked. In an emergency, you WILL NOT think to put anything on. I wore a cast as my wrist had been recently operated on.

Hope this helps. 😛
 
txsoldier94 said:
For some people, the wearing of clothes is a penance.

There is a difference between being nude, and as we say in Texas, being nekkid.

Nude is just uncovered…comfort not arousal.

Nekkid…well, that’s a whole 'nother ballgame.

Mik
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There ya go…“nude” is art…“nekkid” is, well…“nekkid”.
 
latinmasslover said:
I would like evidence of this as well, or some written reference that dates to those days…I’ve heard the statement before, but never any backing for it.
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Well, the Apostolic Tradition is probably not Roman or as early as people earlier thought, but that just pushes back “baptism in the buff” to an even later date. It makes it clear that baptism is done nude:

“they come to the water, the water shall be pure and flowing, that is, the water of a spring
or a flowing body of water. 3Then they shall take off all their clothes.”

Cyril of Jerusalem’s (d. 386) Mystagogical Catecheses (which may have actually been from his successor, John) date to the late 4th century. Here’s another little snippet:

“2. As soon, then, as ye entered, ye put off your tunic; and this was an image of putting off the old man with his deeds. Having stripped yourselves, ye were naked; in this also imitating Christ, who was stripped naked on the Cross, and by His nakedness put off from Himself the principalities and powers, and openly triumphed over them on the tree. … but say with the Spouse of Christ in the Song of Songs, I have put off my garment, how shall I put it on? O wondrous thing! ye were naked in the sight of all, and were not ashamed; for truly ye bore the likeness of the first-formed Adam, who was naked in the garden, and was not ashamed.
3. Then, when ye were stripped, ye were anointed with exorcised oil, from the very hairs of your head to your feet…”

I know more evidence exists (for example, we have references to catechumens undergoing physical examinations during the Lenten scrutinies), but as I have other things to do, that at least provides evidence that in 4th century Jerusalem baptism was done naked. From various references, though, I think it would be safe to say that this was, for a few centuries, a nearly universal practice.
 
Andreas_Hofer said:
Well, the Apostolic Tradition is probably not Roman or as early as people earlier thought, but that just pushes back “baptism in the buff” to an even later date. It makes it clear that baptism is done nude:

“they come to the water, the water shall be pure and flowing, that is, the water of a spring
or a flowing body of water. 3Then they shall take off all their clothes.”

Cyril of Jerusalem’s (d. 386) Mystagogical Catecheses (which may have actually been from his successor, John) date to the late 4th century. Here’s another little snippet:

“2. As soon, then, as ye entered, ye put off your tunic; and this was an image of putting off the old man with his deeds. Having stripped yourselves, ye were naked; in this also imitating Christ, who was stripped naked on the Cross, and by His nakedness put off from Himself the principalities and powers, and openly triumphed over them on the tree. … but say with the Spouse of Christ in the Song of Songs, I have put off my garment, how shall I put it on? O wondrous thing! ye were naked in the sight of all, and were not ashamed; for truly ye bore the likeness of the first-formed Adam, who was naked in the garden, and was not ashamed.
3. Then, when ye were stripped, ye were anointed with exorcised oil, from the very hairs of your head to your feet…”

I know more evidence exists (for example, we have references to catechumens undergoing physical examinations during the Lenten scrutinies), but as I have other things to do, that at least provides evidence that in 4th century Jerusalem baptism was done naked. From various references, though, I think it would be safe to say that this was, for a few centuries, a nearly universal practice.
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Yuck…I couldn’t imagine being examined by my priest!

Thanks for the quotes, it’s something to look into.🙂
 
This naked - nekkid thing reminds me of a movie (Enough, maybe?) where the wife confronts her cheating husband and his defense (I’ll use my brother’s less vulgar version instead):

I have sex with her; I make love to you.
 
latinmasslover said:
Mockery was not necessary.:mad: Not amused.
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Sorry. I was just having a little fun. I was not intending to mock and certainly did not mean to offend. (I admire those who wear chapel veils. I gave my special lady-friend one for Christmas!)

I ask your forgiveness. :o
 
rpp said:
I will add that the sleeping attire married couples chooses should be a bit different. After all, it has been shown that there is no better form of birth control than the flannel nightgown worn by a wife to bed.
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DID NOT work for us 😃
 
bear06 said:
or maybe that’s why so many people die in the bathroom!
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AND they are NAKED! sitting on the toilet too!
usually when you are going to die, you might not feel well, therefore off comes the clothes…

as for accidents and having clean undies on… won’t work too well. first thing is you get dirty pants, depending on the type of accident. 😉
 
latinmasslover said:
That sounds more like an assumption because what, they’re poor? Do the poor today sleep in the buff?

I’m not picking a fight, but is there any written reference (or any evidence at all) of Christians sleepig naked up until a few hundred years ago?
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I’ve seen bits of medieval paintings (I believe from books) with inns in textbooks. The people getting ready to go to bed in the common sleeping areas were naked, and it was something pointed out in the text.
 
rpp said:
Sorry. I was just having a little fun. I was not intending to mock and certainly did not mean to offend. (I admire those who wear chapel veils. I gave my special lady-friend one for Christmas!)

I ask your forgiveness. :o
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No need to apologize, please forgive my (presumptuous) misinterpretation. :o Some give a lot of heck in this matter.
 
rpp said:
Sleeping in flannel nightgowns is immoral. It is, in fact a grave sin.
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Now, to get the priest to tell my wife! :rotfl:

Some responses here are really funny. Many are off the mark, but hey, we get what we pay for…

I actually am uncomfortable wearing stuff in bed. (for those who care.) From a single guy’s perspective… PJ’s, ANOTHER thing to wash. Who needs 'em. So I didn’t. After we were married and the first kid was moved out of the bedroom, the flannel lady said. “You need to start wearing pajamas!” “Yes, Dear!” And I haven’t found any combination of things to be comfortable yet. Except socks in the winter… But I wear the other stuff lest my children think I’m a streaker. :rolleyes:
 
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