Small changes to novus ordo

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Most, if not all of these options are already available at my local OF.
Ad orientum worship is done by a few parishes, as well as the Ordinariate parish.

Kneeling for communion is also available everywhere. A couple parishes still utilize their altar rails, and some have portable kneelers.

My parish uses Latin for the Agnus Dei during Lent, Advent, Christmas and during Triduum and the Easter Octive, and Greek for the Kyrie on most Sundays.

Beating, the breast during the Confiteor and bowing during the Creed are indicated on our worship aids and in the Missal, so there is no problem with that.

As far as the Tabernacle, what is happening on the Altar is much more important than seeing the Tabernacle. I am of the mind that the Tabernacle should be in a seperate adoration Chapel, so that the focus is on the Altar during Mass, but still allow for adoration, even when Mass may be going on in the Church proper.

Just my 2 cents on the topic.
 
The only small changes I can think of would be changes to my heart, to be more grateful for the priests and and Mass that I have at that moment rather than pining after what isn’t happening.

As long as the Mass is abuse-free (not “mistake-free”–priests are only human and occasionally have Senior moments even if they are still Juniors!), all is well and more than well. Jesus is Truly Present–amazing, breath-taking, wondrous.

Always remember Saint Maximilian Kolbe offering Mass in the concentration camp with a jar lid to contain the Sacred Host. We are so blessed in the U.S.
 
My diocese has a requirement that there is at least one traditional Latin mass available every Sunday. There are a group of churches that offer traditional Latin mass only every Sunday in my diocese as they are not renovated churches since Vatican II
 
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prayerrider said:
The arguments for only boys serving at the altar have been well elucidated by Cardinal Sarah and others. I find these arguments compelling. The only argument for girl altar servers stems from feminism.
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Women washed Jesus feet with oil and wiped his face. I don’t think it unbiblical for them to serve the Priest on the altar.
 
I haven’t heard it in a controversial way either. I have heard norvus ordo used by priests and not in any bashing way at all.
 
It can be very helpful to be grateful for the present AND be unafraid of change!
 
Watch the EWTN mass thats the bear minimum for a start or atleast incorporate the Angus Dei Sanctus Kyrie and Gloria espically the Gloria the novus ordo gloria is odd it just doesnt sound natural
 
On tabernacles, I understand your point, however, I have seen a great deal of abuse from this practice. The congregation, in one parish, sitting with their backs to a glass walled adoration chapel, which was obviously not much of a chapel, and in which none of the lights were on. Also, no one used it to adore anything.

There is a great deal of abuse from this. And I am not opposed to adoration chapels, but I think the historically more common practice of also having tabernacles behind the altar allows the whole of the church to be an adoration chapel when Mass is not going on

Also, I have never heard of anyone being distracted by a tabernacle during Mass.
 
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I’d agree the Novus Ordo Glorias sound like a lot of words crammed in. Doesn’t flow. Only plus is you fully understand the prayer if you aren’t versed in Latin. Probably more accessible to Catholic converts like my mother.
 
I would agree I think that on some occasions reciting the Gloria would be fine much like most churches recite the Credo now but singing it just doesn’t sound right.
 
CilladeRoma said:
As far as the Tabernacle, what is happening on the Altar is much more important than seeing the Tabernacle. I am of the mind that the Tabernacle should be in a seperate adoration Chapel, so that the focus is on the Altar during Mass, but still allow for adoration, even when Mass may be going on in the Church proper.
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I don’t get this. I have only seen one parish where the tabernacle was in a different area and the space where the tabernacle was had been replaced with a bunch of artificial green plants. It was a very protestanized church in many other ways also.
 
Women certainly served the Lord, and do, very much. That’s not really relevant to the issue, though it is a feminist / egalitarian argument for altar girls.
 
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Exactly. Women cannot become priests. Historically priests often came from the ranks of male altar servers. Now we have a dire shortage of priests, and far fewer potential young candidates.
 
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It is relevant. They are serving the Priest who in persona christi__. Not a problem at all. Lack of priests has as much to do with smaller family sizes and secular society as anything else.
 
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I was wondering, what small changes to the novus ordo, that you think the average Sunday mass in the US could easily incorporate, do you think would be appropriate?

My ideas: (1)Ad oriens for certain parts of the Mass where the priest is addressing God. (2)Communion rail (which doesn’t have to be a physical rail if finances are bad) and kneeling for species of bread, but perhaps not wine (which could be offered at either end of the rail, thus giving people a choice without peer pressure about standing or kneeling). (3) Agnus Dei in Latin and Kyrie in Greek. (4) An explicit encouragement to beat the breast at the mea culpa, and to bow at the incarnation in the credo. (5) While not eliminating tabernacles from their current locations where they are not behind the altar, ADDING a tabernacle behind the altar (which can be simple if finances are bad).
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  1. Ad orientem is a licit option for the OF Mass, I’ve attended many. It is also not exclusively required in the EF Mass. It can be mandated, even in the OF, by an altar up against a wall.
  2. Communion rails are already common. In some places, like monasteries with a papal enclosure, they were not used even before the Council.
  3. Already a licit option in the OF, and the norm where I attend the OF (a monastery), where it is also a norm to chant the rest of the Ordinary in Latin, as well as all of the Propers.
  4. Not an issue, it’s an option.
  5. You cannot add a tabernacle, you need to select one and only one location for it. Only one altar of reserve (i.e. altar with tabernacle) is allowed in a Church. There are licit reasons to have it in a side chapel, and these reasons existed before the Council; it has always been a common occurrence in monasteries.
The 1935 Roman Ceremonial says:
“One must normally conserve the Holy Eucharist at only one altar in a church…even for a novena or a feast, it cannot be kept at two different altars”.

Normally the Reserved Eucharist is kept at the High Altar, normally the most honourable and noble, unless another seems preferable for the veneration and worship due to this august Sacrament. However in cathedral, collegial and conventual churches where choral functions take place at the main altar, it is opportune to habitually reserve the Holy Eucharist at an altar other than the high altar".
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(translated from the French by myself)

I hope this dispels the many misconceptions about the position of the tabernacle in churches. As you can see even in 1935, while there were norms, there were no hard and fast rules, and keeping the Blessed Sacrament at other than the high altar was most certainly acceptable: “unless another seems preferable”, gives considerable latitude.

The Ordinary Form Mass as it stands needs no changes. Just better discipline, and often, more appropriate music.
 
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fascinating. so, I wonder where the line is drawn. a chapel unattached to the church can have the euchrist. can a chapel which is attached have the eucharist? does there need to be a door?
 
I suppose. I generally take no offense unless someone is offending me. Even then, I’m apt to ignore it. I’ve got more important things to do with my life.
 
I believe a side chapel in a church is considered part of the church, and if that’s where the Blessed Sacrament reserved, it is the only place it can be reserved.

In our abbey there are three tabernacles. One is in the main conventual church, in a side chapel. The other is in the abbot’s chapel, where incidentally Mass is always ad orientem even in the OF as the altar is up against the wall. The third is in the guest’s oratory (which uses a free-standing altar so Mass there is facing the people). But those two additional locations are not in the church building proper. The abbot’s is at the far end of the main cloister, and the guest’s is in the guest wing. The Blessed Sacrament chapel in the conventual church, on the other hand, can only be accessed by entering the church itself.

Actually there are two blessed sacrament chapels, but only one tabernacle between them. The two chapels are separated by a brick wall, and the brass and marble tabernacle is embedded into the wall and reachable from either chapel (doors on both sides). This is so that monks and faithful can worship the Blessed Sacrament simultaneously without the laity entering the cloister.
 
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prayerrider:
The only argument for girl altar servers stems from feminism.
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It has also chased away the altar boys.
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The boys don’t want to catch cooties. 😁
 
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