Small changes to novus ordo

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the scenarios I am thinking of is where I see a tabernacle in an enclosed chapel, like, there is a physical barrier between the chapel and the rest of the church, and no tabernacle in what I would take to be the main worship area.

I have seen similar scenarios where the Eucharist is stored in tabernacles in both.
 
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Exactly. Women cannot become priests. Historically priests often came from the ranks of male altar servers. Now we have a dire shortage of priests, and far fewer potential young candidates.
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People say that, but I don’t buy it. In my own experience, I was an altar server in the 1970s, long before girls were involved and there was never any sense that we would become priests. The priests never talked to us about it, and we never even considered it as an option.
 
Shouldn’t this thread be in the Liturgy and Sacraments sub forum? It’s about the OF Mass, no? It’s not about a tradition or cultural aspect of the Church, right?
 
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AT any rate, two ideas I got from this dialogue:
  1. Have optional devotions before and after Mass to discourage fraternizing in the nave.
  2. An actual change to the OF, kneeling for the Agnus Dei.
#2 is great, because it would seem to eliminate the continued hellos which often spill into the agnus dei if the priest simply said “please kneel,” and then began the Agnus Dei. The action of kneeling would end a lot of that.
 
There are some churches where the tabernacle is off to the side. I would heartily love for those churches to put Christ where He belongs: In the center.
 
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There are some churches where the tabernacle is off to the side. I would heartily love for those churches to put Christ where He belongs: In the center.
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And that’s exactly where He is at the consecration, regardless of where the tabernacle is.

See above on actual official documents on where the tabernacle was supposed to be. Hint, in cathedral, collegial and conventual churches with choirs, it was not supposed to be at the centre of the main altar.

And in other churches it could be elsewhere as well, for instance in churches that were tourist attractions, to avoid disrespect to the Blessed Sacrament.

Now the wholesale destruction of beautiful high altars is another matter. The cathedral in Chicoutimi, Québec recently restored theirs.
 
Our parish priest has asked permission to say Mass Ad oriens. He has two kneelers for those who wish to kneel. We can kneel to receive the Blood, no problem. We say both the Agnus Dei and Kyrie but not at every Mass. We bow in the Credo and of course Christmas we genuflected which I wish we did at every Mass. Our tabernacle was moved ten years ago. We also have the Prayer to St Michael the Archangel at the end of Mass. We have the bells at the elevation but I wish it were standard at every parish. I would like to see more participation for children. At our parish, they gather the gifts and take them forward at a few masses. I would like to see more gatherings after Mass. One church I attend always has coffee, juice, and donuts most stay.
 
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No? Well, you should have become a priest. This whole shortage thing is your fault!
 
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prayerrider:
The only argument for girl altar servers stems from feminism.
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It has also chased away the altar boys.
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The boys don’t want to catch cooties. 😁
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I don’t I know this to be true on any personal level, but I’ve heard the argument here on CAF that girls are often better at it and that makes boys feel inadequate and go away. If that is the case, it sounds like the boys need to up their game. I personally think that that answer is too simplistic, but for those who make that argument, why should that keep girls away?

I’m fine with only boys serving at the altar. In my Byzantine Church, girls are not allowed and I have no desire to see that changed, but I really don’t care all that much.
 
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How do you all feel about the female contributions to the collection plate?
 
  1. Restore the prayers at the foot of the altar by the priest at the beginning of Mass.
  2. Blessing of the altar and congregation with holy water by the priest at the beginning of Mass.
  3. Conduct the liturgy of the Eucharist ad orientem.
  4. More genuflecting and signs of the cross made by the priest during the consecration of the bread and wine.
  5. Restoration of the traditional communion rails and receive Holy Communion kneeling and on the tongue (no more Communion standing and in the hand.)
  6. The tabernacle should be in the center of the sanctuary behind the altar (not off to the side, or in a separate chapel).
 
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Being a priest is God’s calling. You have to discern that. Otherwise you will probably end up being a bad priest. And being an Altar server isn’t a sufficent sign to discern that you are called to be a priest.

Also, in my parish we have both Altar girls AND boys. I teached them last year, they are friends, and one of the boys is thinking of becoming a priest.
 
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Those looking to be offended will find offense, eh?
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It goes beyond that. There are those who use terms like “NO parish,” “NO sacraments,” and “NO priests” where there is clear intent to question or disparage the Ordinary Form but to hide behind the “NO” terminology. In my opinion that’s why the use of “NO” can be a “dog whistle.”
 
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