You can’t prove it, even with a time machine – because it isn’t true.
And isn’t this whole line of reasoning interesting—when Scripture is inconvenient to a 20th century doctrine (Pentecostal Church prohibition on alcohol), why, we simply change the Scripture, absent any historical evidence whatsoever!
I suppose somebody will now claim that it was actually fresher juice that was considered better by the steward and that the tipsiness was a sugar high.Buy some grapes at your local Wal-Mart and make grape juice. Let it sit out, unrefridgerated and tell us what happens to it.
Grapes and grape juice won’t keep – but wine will. It wouldn’t make sense to grow more grapes than you could consume before fermentation started if you didn’t make wine out of it.
And finally, read the account of the marriage at Cana – notice how the steward was impressed that the host saved the best wine for last – everyone else got the guests tipsy on good wine, then served the poor wine. Which indicates it was wine, not “grape juice” the guests were drinking.
Grape juice and Twinkies would made a wild party.
The Romans were meticolous in keeping records. In addtion the Literature from that era is voluminous. Not once in any records ,writings, etc of the times is there any mention of grape juice . The idea Jesus and his apostles drank grape juice is another one of those myths, like Sola Scriptura and Sola Fideleis, that sprung up some 1,500 years after Christ founded his Church. Like much of Proetestanism they first developed the doctrine and then twisted scripture to supposedly uphold it.
wait I never said he drank grape juice and actually never heard anyone thought they had lol I said it was and still stand by what i said POSSIBLE
He keeps saying the way the Jews list them must be correct because God first gave it to them. He also said the they are like an official document and altering it is promoting a lie.
So does he number them the way the Jews number them?
Or does he uses the numbering done by Origen?
Sources: The Catholic Church Changed The Ten Commandments?
If he prefers Origen’s numbering and SHORT HAND fine! If he prefers the Jewish numbering and SHORT HAND fine! If he prefers Augustine’s numbering and SHORT HAND fine.
Old style Lutherans do believe the Eucharist is Christ. They err in thinking that Christ exists in the Eucharist ALONGSIDE the elements, whereas Catholics believe the elements have been changed to Christ’s body and blood.
I had a good friend turn red in the face arguing the same point to me. I calmly asked him to take out his trusty KJV and read the following from 1 John aloud. He obviously had no reply.
well tons of catholics believed that way centuries ago thats for sure ask the aztecs and mayansAs a Catholic, I think burning them at the stake is more appropriate than punching them in the face, don’t you think?
That is if you really understand what this is really teaching…this is teaching of a complete and utter rejection of the gospel…now, it may take the form of premeditated sin that is enjoyed and continued without conviction and without chastisement…but the root of that sin is unbelief. And if you continue in the context…I had a good friend turn red in the face arguing the same point to me. I calmly asked him to take out his trusty KJV and read the following from 1 John aloud. He obviously had no reply.
5:16 If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin not leading to death,
he shall ask, and God will give him life for those who sin not leading to death.
There is a sin leading to death.
I don’t say that he should make a request concerning this.
5:17 All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not leading to death.
The Lutherans believe in consubstantiation and not transubstantiation.
You don’t know what you will do tomorrow, let alone 10 years from now that may cut you off from Gods grace.
