Smoking is a Mortal Sin...!

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Eating a cheeseburger or a couple of slices of pizza aren’t sinful, but certainly pigging out on them could be considered gluttony. And I don’t know any “social” cigarette smokers, most (including moi) are HOOKED on them.
 
pnewton said:
Also, there is the question of moderation. A bullet is a bullet, but smoking in moderation, or on occasion does lessen the health risk.
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Statistically, this is true. But on a practical level, if they find out that you’ve been smoking after they find a nodule on your lungs via CT-scan, they may decide to do an immediate biopsy as opposed to doing a followup CT-scan in six months. But either way you’re going to sweat it. And those CT-scans will pick up the tiniest of nodules (I’ve seen mine) so it behooves the readers here to give some second thoughts about smoking. You can’t cheat your body or modern technology.
 
pnewton said:
The operative phrase here is “I think”. At least this time you make it clear that this is your opinion only.
Then quit abandoning Truth and embrace it instead.

The source of all truth is not found in TEPO or his opinions. The pillar and bulwark of Truth is the Catholic Church. If anyone comes here expressing his own opinions and says that he is speaking for the Church, he is not to be believed unless he can show where the **Church **says what he is saying. The OP has come here with an opinion that the Catholic Church has never promulgated based an an illogical connection with smoking and euthanasia/suicide. For anyone that can not see this simple logical fallacy, it is this. One is the deliberate ending of human life. Smoking on the other hand does not deliberately end human life. Like driving or over-eating, it is a risk factor, if one smokes regularly. It is simply not true that every one who picks up a cigarette, cigar or pipe will die from smoking.
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First of all, the Church doesn’t need to give an official answer to this question just because cigarettes are “popular”. Why does anyone smoke in the first place, surely it’s not for the benefit of God almighty is it…? Course not, we do it initially for selfish reasons only.

There are millions of “acts” that people can do that would be gravely sinful, and the Church has/will/can-not name them all. Have you ever watched “My Strange Addiction”…? I think that being addicted to eating comet cleanser is also a mortal sin. See for yourself.

youtube.com/watch?v=QF_YH_elBKE&feature=related

Just because cigarette smoking is “popular” doesn’t make it any less sinful.

The CCC states that “The use of drugs inflicts very grave damage on human health and life. Their use, except on strictly therapeutic grounds, is a grave offense.”… So what are “drugs” according to the Catholic Church…? Would’nt “drugs” include any foreign substance that one puts into one’s body that damages human health…? This could include comet cleanser,cigarette smoke, or cocaine.
 
Prayerfully said:
Again, do you eat a raw diet or 100% organic food? I just want to know, without a side-stepping answer. If you are calling out people for choosing to eat unhealthily and calling it a sin, I certainly hope you are on a 100% organic diet! Otherwise, it would be a little like the speck in someone’s eye while you’ve got a plank in yours…
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No, I do not eat raw organic food. I had a double-cheeseburger from Jack-in-the-Box for dinner… With *curly *fries.

But I only had one. :cool:
 
ClamDigger said:
People knew smoking caused health problems in the 1960’s when Pope John XXIII was pope. :rolleyes:).
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Well, they thought it might, but there was much controversy involved. It wasn’t until 1964 that the surgeon general reported that smoking may cause health problems.
ClamDigger said:
Oh please. :rolleyes: Maybe you need to go tell the congregation of the doctrine of the faith to start putting these things in the Catechism. Don’t forget tanning either, though! Or eating microwaved food!
Also, you do realize that you can be unhealthy and have unhealthy eating habits without being overweight, right? My father had 98% clogging of his main coronary artery and isn’t significantly overweight (he weighs about 200 pounds and is six feet tall).
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It’s already in the CCC.
 
TEPO said:
First of all, the Church doesn’t need to give an official answer to this question just because cigarettes are “popular”. Why does anyone smoke in the first place, surely it’s not for the benefit of God almighty is it…? Course not, we do it initially for selfish reasons only.

There are millions of “acts” that people can do that would be gravely sinful, and the Church has/will/can-not name them all. Have you ever watched “My Strange Addiction”…? I think that being addicted to eating comet cleanser is also a mortal sin. See for yourself.

youtube.com/watch?v=QF_YH_elBKE&feature=related

Just because cigarette smoking is “popular” doesn’t make it any less sinful.

The CCC states that “The use of drugs inflicts very grave damage on human health and life. Their use, except on strictly therapeutic grounds, is a grave offense.”… So what are “drugs” according to the Catholic Church…? Would’nt “drugs” include any foreign substance that one puts into one’s body that damages human health…? This could include comet cleanser,cigarette smoke, or cocaine.
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Don’t forget caffeine for those who drink coffee and cokes. (though I acknowledge that the idea of New Coke was mortally sinful).

People do not eat Comet. They do smoke, by the hundreds of millions. Yes, I say that the Church does in fact address the most critical issues of the day. That is what a shepherd does. He protects against wolves, bears, or other reasonable dangers. He does not protect against the sheep against yo-yo’s because it could in theory strangle a sheep. Your inability to point out where the Church addresses smoking says all that needs to be said on the subject.

As the context of the CCC involves something that can be used therapeutically, I think we can safely rule out smoking and comet. It sure seems clear to me that the most common meaning of drugs is pharmacuticals, sold at drug stores or street corners. I will take the most common meaning and the plain context over your overreaching expansion of the term.

The Catholic Church has not condemned smoking as a mortal sin. This fact remains.
 
ProVobis said:
Statistically, this is true. But on a practical level, if they find out that you’ve been smoking after they find a nodule on your lungs via CT-scan, they may decide to do an immediate biopsy as opposed to doing a followup CT-scan in six months. But either way you’re going to sweat it. And those CT-scans will pick up the tiniest of nodules (I’ve seen mine) so it behooves the readers here to give some second thoughts about smoking. You can’t cheat your body or modern technology.
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I totally agree. Smoking is dangerous as a habit. Few smoke cigarettes in moderation. One thing I did with my son, when he wanted to try it, is provide him with a cigar or two. I know it has only be a few years, but as of yet, he has not started smoking cigarettes and he limits cigars to a few per year.
 
pnewton said:
As the context of the CCC involves something that can be used therapeutically, I think we can safely rule out smoking and comet. It sure seems clear to me that the most common meaning of drugs is pharmacuticals, sold at drug stores or street corners. I will take the most common meaning and the plain context over your overreaching expansion of the term. .
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The CCC does not state that all “drugs” involve something that can be used therapeutically. It states that unless a drug is used for theraputic reasons, it is a grave matter…
pnewton said:
The Catholic Church has not condemned smoking as a mortal sin. This fact remains.
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Depends on what you consider a “drug” to be. Is the smoke from crack cocaine a drug…? Is the smoke from tobacco a drug…? I say yes and yes.
 
I think we’re in trouble when we take on the attitude that we’re not willing to make sacrifices for God, or when we think we’re “good enough”. We should never reach the point that we stop trying to perfectify ourselves.

I’ve been smoking cigarettes for 18 years and still to this day smoke almost two packs a day.

I’m quitting… Not for myself or for my own selfish dreams, but for God. To become closer to God on my journey towards His friendship.

Goodbye. I’m done posting here for a while.
 
You better be careful, because where he is I’m sure he can hear you!
 
fred_conty said:
You better be careful, because where he is I’m sure he can hear you!
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I do not know how internet access works in Heaven. I doubt it is dial-up. In any case, I believe Blessed John XXIII is well aware of how he died.

On a more serious note, does anyone know if he quit smoking before his illness? If so, he might be a great source of prayer for those struggling to quit smoking. I do not know if there is yet a patron saint of smoking cessation.
 
Thread has turned silly. Please refer to Machelle Arnold’s answer to the question.

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