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sticknstring73
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Is smoking a sin? The occasional pipe or cigar, is that sinning?
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Bradski
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More stupid than sinful.
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mikekle
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I have been a smoker since 11 yr old, and I do believe it is a sin, its basically poisoning, but done very slowly.
An interesting fact I learned from a doctor awhile back, the fingernails of a person who has smoked their whole life and a person who has been killed by poisoning show the same signs, little blurry white ‘lines’ in their fingernails…I have them.
An interesting fact I learned from a doctor awhile back, the fingernails of a person who has smoked their whole life and a person who has been killed by poisoning show the same signs, little blurry white ‘lines’ in their fingernails…I have them.
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Solmyr
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Hehe… smoking is a patriotic duty. It contributes to the economy (adding billions of dollars due to ridiculous taxation), and since the smokers die prematurely, they save billions of dollars in unspent Social Security monies.
Everyone “wins”.Amazing that the government subsidizes the tobacco growers, and taxes the bejeezus out of the cigarette factories and the smokers.
Since 1982 the price of the cigarettes went from about 3-4 dollars per carton to over 10-12 dollars a pack, and also one pack does not contain 20 cigarettes any more… only 19. The cost of tobacco growing stayed steady, so the whole extra money goes to taxation… and no one complains… We sure need a new Boston tobacco-party.
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Bradski
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Try this. Give yourself a reasonable life expectancy. Mark the date down somewhere and give it to your son or daughter or wife or grandkid. Then if you smoke 20 a day, at the end of the week, give them a ring and tell them to take one day off that date. If you smoke 40, then they get to take two days off. ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1117323/
Less time to spend with your wife, son, daughter, grandkids…
Give it up, Mikele. Start soon.
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ahs
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It is not inherently sinful. Like most things, it can be overdone/abused. But it can also be used in moderation, which would not be a sin.
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JD1789
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There is no evidence to suggest smoking in moderation has a negative impact on ones health. The only studies I’ve found that include the risks of cigar smoking had the participants smoking multiple cigars a day. Assuming you are relatively healthy, there is no evidence that smoking tobacco in moderation is bad for your health and therefor is not sinful.
If anyone has evidence on the contrary I would love to see it.
If anyone has evidence on the contrary I would love to see it.
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Micosil
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:tsktsk:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2865193/
All the numbers in parenthesis are findings taken from other peer-reviewed publications, and you can look them up on the article link I pasted.
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Karen107
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Huh? smoking in moderation is at the very least is addictive not to mention all the toxins put in a persons body every time they light up. I believe it is irresponsible to say that any amount of smoking is safe especially as most lifelong smokers start as teens who mistakenly believe that one or two cannot hurt them yet they find themselves still smoking when they are older. I always tell children never start!
tobaccofreekids.org/research/factsheets/pdf/0127.pdf
therealcost.betobaccofree.hhs.gov/facts/toxic-mix/index.html
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Micosil
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Kelfa28
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You are still exposing everyone around you to second and third hand smoke…which is dangerous in itself.
It’s extremely harmful for children to be exposed to any kind of second or even third hand smoke.
I can’t imagine how smoking in “moderation”, whatever that means, is not harmful.
As for it being a sin? No, it isn’t.
It’s extremely harmful for children to be exposed to any kind of second or even third hand smoke.
I can’t imagine how smoking in “moderation”, whatever that means, is not harmful.
As for it being a sin? No, it isn’t.
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JD1789
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Both of these sources refer to cigarette smoking, not cigars and tobacco as the op mentioned. Cigarettes and chewing tobacco are different than pipes and cigars.
Smoking in moderation does not lead to addiction. If it did, it wouldn’t be considered moderation. If one is unable to smoke because of that reason, it would be sinful to continue to smoke.
As I’ve mentioned before, there have been no published, peer-reviewed articles examining the effects of moderate pipe or cigar smoking. Most studies are aimed at bringing down cigarette smoking because of its strong correlation to addicted behaviors and poor health. Much like alcohols, smoking has acute effects in moderation that don’t necessarily lead to chronic issues. But again like alcohol, one who can not use it in moderation should avoid it.
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JD1789
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It would be easy to avoid smoking around others.
Smoking in moderation is possible. If one is experiencing chronic effects of tobacco use or has health issues that would contraindicate the acute effects of tobacco then they would not be able to smoke in moderation. If their systems, especially cardiopulmonary, are properly functioning it appears that the acute effects of tobacco lead to no negative chronic effects when performed in moderation.
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JD1789
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:tsktsk:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2865193/
Oh yes. Cigarettes are awful. I’m referring to pipes and cigars that are not inhaled. And the “light smoking” levels set in the study would be tough to justify as moderate. Also, self-reported number like that always run low. I would assume the actual levels were higher.
Thank you for taking the time to post that though! I appreciate it. We both agree that cigarettes are awful and I do not think they can be smoked in moderation because of their addictive nature.
All the numbers in parenthesis are findings taken from other peer-reviewed publications, and you can look them up on the article link I pasted.
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Karen107
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Well I found that you mentioned smoking tobacco which to me includes cigarette smoke. Whatever,… I still disagree about moderate smoking of cigars and pipes as well, which is also addicting and can cause health problems, especially since there are no filtering of the nicotine so can cause more instances of lip and mouth cancer. read about it…
cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/tobacco/cigars-fact-sheet#q1
Do I think it is a sin? Yes, I believe smoking cigars, pipes or cigarettes are harmful to the body which should be treated as a temple of the Holy Spirit, and like many temptations which trigger addiction, they lead to uncontrolled behavior, so the best thing to do is not smoke at all. And regarding alcohol, some people are more proned to alcoholism than others… Some people swear they are social drinkers only, not alcoholics, and are not. At what level then does one consider drinking sinful? I think Jesus makes us keenly aware of temptations in this scripture…
Matthew 5:30 And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.
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JD1789
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None of the claims that moderate cigar smoking is harmful is supported by evidence. Plenty of things are addictive but that doesn’t mean they can’t be enjoyed in moderation. Sex, food, exercise, alcohol, etc. There are many things that are carcinogens in high doses, but completely safe in low doses. Aspartame is an example.
My life insurance company allows for me to smoke 12 cigars a year And that’s what I consider to be moderate. I also exercise regularly, eat well, maintain a healty weight, and also make a living coaching and advising people on health and helping them recover from a multitude of pathologies and dysfunctions. This includes cardiopulmonary issues caused by abuse of tobacco combined with lack of exercise.
I do not think my or others moderate use of tobacco is sinful and I don’t see any reason to think otherwise.
Thank you for sharing your opinion. It has made me challenge my own. God bless and thank you for trying to help others grow in virtue!
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jediliz
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I have relatives that smoke. It’s a filthy, disgusting habit that leads to lung cancer, throat cancer, etc.
My one aunt that has smoked for as long as I can remember has a very hoarse voice. She also reeks of the smell.
Our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit and we should respect that.
My one aunt that has smoked for as long as I can remember has a very hoarse voice. She also reeks of the smell.
Our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit and we should respect that.
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Hoosier_Daddy
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There is this misconception out there that Cigar smokers are not the low life trashy types that cigarette smokers are. That smoking cigars or pipes is more refined more “intellectual and high brow”
Malarkey.
The google search “Is cigar smoking bad” yeilds tons of evidence to the contrary of your position. The First hit is from web MD.
webmd.com/smoking-cessation/effects-of-smoking-pipes-and-cigars
Cigars don’t have filters and contain much much more nicotine than cigarettes. One cigar can equal 20 cigarettes.
Not to mention the logic of inhaling smoke into the lungs is not healthy no matter what.
It reminds me of some backwoods friends of mine who think chewing tobacco is healthy compared to cigarettes. The reason so many studies tell us about cigarettes is because the vast majority of people who smoke, smoke cigarettes.
Smoking is not healthy, it has no health benefits and only health risks. In my opinion it is a small sin against the 5th commandment.
Here are some more links to feed your brain.
quitsmokingsupport.com/cigars.htm
consumer.healthday.com/encyclopedia/smoking-and-tobacco-cessation-36/smoking-cessation-news-628/the-risks-of-cigars-645337.html
mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/quit-smoking/expert-answers/cigar-smoking/faq-20057787
cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/tobacco/cigars-fact-sheet
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JD1789
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My previous posts address websites and ideas like these. There is no evidence to show that one can’t smoke cigars in moderation. Of course they are full of carginogens and toxins but so are many things we expose ourselves too. The sun causes cancer, but we can have safe levels of sun exposure. I’m suggesting that there is a safe level of tobacco exposure and it can be used in moderation. There is no actual evidence to refute that. Smoking and using tobacco in excess is harmful. That’s agreed upon.
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Karen107
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JD I’m not sure why you are saying that there is no evidence to show that one can’t smoke cigars in moderation when those articles are based on evidence. Just who are you listening to to base your conclusion on? It’s known that the sun can cause skin cancer even in the winter months, but the sun also helps crops grow and gives a person vitamin D so we need the sun. Still we are told to put on sunscreen to protect us from its harmful rays. Food is necessary to sustain us but too much food or the wrong kind of foods can affect our health adversely. However, there are no health benefits to smoking so the analogy doesn’t wash. There’s absolutely no reason to smoke except for the pleasure that it brings, but we are not supposed to seek pleasure in the material things but the things of the Lord. Often I think about the money that’s spent on cigarettes and how that would be best served for those in need but we are people who often do the sin of gluttony. We are pleasing ourselves when we could be helping others and I’m also guilty of that one and I won’t ‘deny’ it and the more I seek the Lord the more I realize that. I thank the Pope for speaking out about it. I think we have a country filled with people who could do with a little or a lot less. That’s my two cents for what its worth. Peace…
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