So, how did the new translation go down at your parish?

[SeekNFind]

It went ok! We had the Archbishop presiding today

However, a couple questions:
-We prayed the Mea Culpa prayer today. Will that happen routinely now?

-We didn’t sing Glory to God in the Highest.

-At one point before communion there was a prayer said and I had no idea what it was.

-No blessing of the advent wreath?

 

[lil_flower_luv]

It will take a little while, but I expect that each week will be better than the one before it. About half and half each time on “and also with you/and with your spirit”.

“And with your spirit” is going to take the most time to get down, I think.

I loved it! I think the new translation is serving it’s purpose quite well. It’s the best possible wording from Latin to English and all I can do is cry over the beauty of it all!

 

[adstrinity]

Technically, this didn’t happen at my parish because my parish is the FSSP BUT, at the parish that is a 20 minute walk away (my car wouldn’t start to drive to my parish).

Father reminded everbody at the beginning of Mass (or maybe between blessing the wreath and the beginning of Mass) that we have the cards now and to use them as the prayers have changed.

“And also with you” transitioned more and more as the Mass continued into, “And with your spirit”. Father reminded everybody of the response before the last one.

It occurs to me why we didn’t sing the Gloria: it’s Advent, it’s a penetential season, it wouldn’t be sung.

PEOPLE ACTUALLY BEAT THEIR BREASTS!!!

I think people handled, “I am not worthy that though should come under my roof…,” well.

 

[PacoG]

It went ok! We had the Archbishop presiding today

However, a couple questions:
-We prayed the Mea Culpa prayer today. Will that happen routinely now?

-We didn’t sing Glory to God in the Highest.

-At one point before communion there was a prayer said and I had no idea what it was.

-No blessing of the advent wreath?

The Gloria is optional during Advent. It is a penitential season. Note: the Alelluia is still sung during Advent.

I think (and correct me if I am wrong), the Advent wreath is blessed only once. Usually, that’s at the first Mass of the first Sunday of Advent.

 

[jwinch2]

The new translation went pretty well at our parish. We had been doing the sung parts for the last month, so only the spoken and the responses were added in today. I thought that was a nice way to approach it rather than dumping it all in at once. There were a few minor mix ups here and there and I did have to concentrate a bit harder during the prayers read by our priest but other than that, it went about as smooth as could be expected. For the most part, I am happy with it and am glad that it has now been implemented.

Peace,

 

[PaulinVA]

Interesting . . . the priest made us stop for a couple of do overs when we didn’t get it right the first time.

Twice, when Father made everyone say “…and with your spirit” over again, an older woman (with a very unhappy look on her face), loudly said, “…and also with you.”

I find that intriguing and a little strange. My wife and I remember saying “And with your Spirit” for years before the next translation came out. So, for us it’s going back to what is correct.

We had a very lively discussion at home about the difference between “for all” and “for many”. We looked at the new American Bible and that’s what it says. Still mulling that over…

 

[JRRTFAN]

I know we already have the merged anticipation thread, but no one has started a thread about the post-implementation process yet, so I’m giving it a go.

How did the new translation work out the first time at your parish?

Did people catch on well?

Anyone have a massive stroke like some feared? (kidding obviously)

Any comments good or bad from Father in the homily or otherwise?

Any comments good or bad from the laity after mass?

Have at it.

The prep in our parish was essentially non-existent, cosidering that it went fairly well, we had a nicely done “liturgical aid” that everybody followed pretty well. The aging hippie set has been pretty vocal about “pre-Vatican II return” but I didn’t see any of them collapsed in an apoplectic heap getting the last rites, moaning Kumbaya and banging a tambourine on their head. So about an 8 on the Richter scale hereabouts.

 

[JRRTFAN]

I find that intriguing and a little strange. My wife and I remember saying “And with your Spirit” for years before the next translation came out. So, for us it’s going back to what is correct.

We had a very lively discussion at home about the difference between “for all” and “for many”. We looked at the new American Bible and that’s what it says. Still mulling that over…

I do too. I think after the Council and before the 1970 translation a number of experimental translations were in use. I distinctly remember “Lord I am not worthy that you should come under my roof” And I seem to recall it being said 3 times, but that is a long time ago and my synapses fail on many less arduous memory exercises than that.

 

[CatholicZ09]

I forgot to say that we didn’t do the Confiteor, but we did the Kyrie. I think it would’ve been wise to do the Confiteor since we don’t know the new translation of it yet. I’m hoping we do it come Lent.

 

[MarkThompson]

It went ok! We had the Archbishop presiding today

However, a couple questions:
-We prayed the Mea Culpa prayer today. Will that happen routinely now?

The options have not changed, so whether it is routine or not will be up to the pastor or celebrant.

-We didn’t sing Glory to God in the Highest.

During Advent, the Gloria is not said. Contrary to the remark above, it is not optional either. The exception is for Feasts and Solemnities, such as the Feast of St. Andrew the Apostle this coming Wednesday and the Solemnity of the Immaculate Conception on December 8. Other than that, no Gloria, just like in Lent.

-At one point before communion there was a prayer said and I had no idea what it was.

The Prayer Over the Gifts? Part of the priest’s private preparation for Communion?

-No blessing of the advent wreath?

That is not an authentic part of Mass, though as PacoG says it’s also possible that it was blessed at an earlier Mass.

 

[Sarabande]

I know we already have the merged anticipation thread, but no one has started a thread about the post-implementation process yet, so I’m giving it a go.

How did the new translation work out the first time at your parish?

Did people catch on well?

Anyone have a massive stroke like some feared? (kidding obviously)

Any comments good or bad from Father in the homily or otherwise?

Any comments good or bad from the laity after mass?

Have at it.

Haven’t really heard any negative or positive comments about the revisions in real life except from some of my music colleagues.

Our diocese has been preparing for it for the past three months, so it hasn’t come as a surprise to the regulars. There were still some mix of responses “And also with you” instead of “And with your spirit.” But I even did it at the end when I knew what the response was supposed to be. It’s just second nature. We have pew cards which are a help. The other diocese where I work had not been really preparing in the same way, so I don’t know how that has gone over there.

 

[GwenL]

Why would he say that? It’s still the Pauline Mass or the Ordinary Form. In fact, for those of us who belong to religious orders such as Benedictine, Franciscans, Trinitarians and for people who speak Spanish, Italian, Portuguese and other Romance languages, the wording is exactly the same. Nothing has changed since 1970.

We attend mass at a parish where the pastor is a diocesan priest, so he had to use the new Roman Missal. The two other priests, one is a Trinitarian Brother and the other is a Franciscan Friar, they avoided it by using the missal for their respective orders. I teased them for being cheaters. LOL But it is legal and desirable that they use their own missal.

The people were confused with the cards, even though there were five weeks of workshops and rehearsals. It’s hard for people to remember to pull the card out. Most people are not used to holding something.

I messed up on “under my roof”. I completely forgot the roof and I could not find it fast enough on the card, because it caught me by surprise. I don’t know where my mind was, but my card was in the pocket in front of me instead of in my hand.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF :christmastree1:

That’s interesting…it will be legit for a Franciscan friar to use the old Romano-Franciscan sacramentary? We have conventual Franciscan friars at our Cathedral.

Somehow I don’t think the bishop would approve. And I don’t think it will ever even come up as an issue, because our rector is 100% behind the new Missal. But it is an interesting question.

I wonder when the Romano-Franciscan sacramentary will be updated? Because there are several days which the Franciscans celebrate as Feasts and Solemnities that others do not, and the propers and prefaces are found only in that Romano-Franciscan sacramentary.

 

[SMHW]

So I attended our 9:00am Mass this morning.

It was interesting. In my parish it is common for the Mass parts to be chanted. We had the parish “trained” pretty well to answer, “And also with you,” on key (instead of falling flat enough to be painful to the ears.) Well, since, “And with your spirit,” has different accented syllables and since people were kind of tentative about the words, it came out kind of stilted and definitely not on pitch. I guess it will take a bit of time to get *both *words and tones right.

The sung parts of the Mass (which included the Lord, I am not Worthy) generally went OK (other than some people not knowing the correct tones). But the spoken, “And with your spirit,” responses seemed to catch people by surprise. …OK, what I mean is that they caught me by surprise. I was even waiting for them. But for some reason whenever the priest or deacon *spoke *the words, “The Lord be with you,” I was caught off guard. I didn’t really have a problem when the responses were sung.

 

[RosalieM]

It went pretty well except for some “and also with you”'s. I wondered later on if originally wasn’t it: “thee” and “thy” instead of “you” and “your”? (oops, dating myself…)
My problem was with the homily where somehow Black Friday bargain shopping was worked in. Well, the homilies are usually pretty good at my parish, so I guess maybe the new translation took first priority. I’ll have to get the hang of it completely at daily mass since I attend a gregorian chant mass on Sundays and some of the prayers are in the original Latin.

 

[Rand_Al_Thor]

Things went down very well, for the most part, at my parish this morning. Of course, half the people automatically said, “and also with you”, as everyone else has been mentioning, but by the last one, all I heard was “and with your spirit”. I didn’t hear any complaints during or after Mass.

When we chanted “It is right and just”, people stumbled over that part because the syllables are different than before. Father accidentally said the memorial acclamation himself without saying “The mystery of faith”. Right after he said it, he paused with a “whoops!” look on his face, then gave a little “oh well” shrug and continued with the Mass.

Best part, other than the fact that the new translation is much much better, was that we actually did the Confiteor. Normally Father doesn’t do that at any of the Masses for some reason.

 

[Leegal]

I know we already have the merged anticipation thread, but no one has started a thread about the post-implementation process yet, so I’m giving it a go.

How did the new translation work out the first time at your parish?

Did people catch on well?

Anyone have a massive stroke like some feared? (kidding obviously)

Any comments good or bad from Father in the homily or otherwise?

Any comments good or bad from the laity after mass?

Have at it.

I got there a bit early; the choir director was telling the congregants that were already there what was expected. He seemed admoninishing about not using “and also with you” saying “I don’t want to hear it.” They went over the hymns with the parish – sort of a rehearsal of the choir with the congregation taking part. He reminded people of the order of the Mass, remembering to tell everyone that there would be no Gloria, I guess, so that the people knew when the next hymn would be.

They had prayer cards, but I had brought something from home. I still had a bit of a time to keep track of where I was what I brought from home, but did not know that the cards the people had belonged to the Church and were not owned… I had papers. And they had two hymnals so I was constantly referring to something – a bit distracting as I wanted to participate, not constantly lose my place. I’d say, I managed okay – the best I could do. I was satisfied.

The priest never mentioned it during homily but before closing the Mass, at the announcements, he mentioned that the one that people seemed to have the hardest with is “and the spirit with you” and had heard “and also with you” instead in the other Masses he did that night and earlier in the a.m. We only have one priest; it’s a small parish. He’s very nice, not admonishing at all, non-judgmental. He said, this will take practice. The choir director might take a lesson here. No one seemed to have comments on the Mass but I didn’t know anyone there. The priest and I spoke briefly, but not about the new translation.

It was my first time at this parish which is now where I am registered. So, my coming to this parish also coincided with the 1st Sunday in Advent and the changes.

 

[joshua1]

For me it will definitely take some getting used to. It went ok though. I think the congregation’s responses are not all that difficult. I do understand that it is closer to the original latin. However, I do think that the text for the eucharistic prayers are a bit wordy, stuffy and awkward. Thank goodness we dont say them… Some of those phrases are a mouthful…Just a humble honest opinion. It will become old hat in a while. If im not mistaken I think our priest used prayer 2.

 

[SeekNFind]

The options have not changed, so whether it is routine or not will be up to the pastor or celebrant.

During Advent, the Gloria is not said. Contrary to the remark above, it is not optional either. The exception is for Feasts and Solemnities, such as the Feast of St. Andrew the Apostle this coming Wednesday and the Solemnity of the Immaculate Conception on December 8. Other than that, no Gloria, just like in Lent.

The Prayer Over the Gifts? Part of the priest’s private preparation for Communion?

That is not an authentic part of Mass, though as PacoG says it’s also possible that it was blessed at an earlier Mass.

Thank you SO much for answering my questions.
-I never said the Mea Culpa in Mass before so maybe it was just the Archbishop’s call today?
-I wondered if it had something to do with the fact that it was Advent that we didn’t sing the Gloria; I kinda miss it.
-No, the rest of the congregation chimed in during the prayer so IDK? I didn’t want to fumble around to locate it in the Missal. I will be more aware next week.

 

[Aelred_Minor]

Interesting . . . the priest made us stop for a couple of do overs when we didn’t get it right the first time.

Twice, when Father made everyone say “…and with your spirit” over again, an older woman (with a very unhappy look on her face), loudly said, “…and also with you.”

This reminds me of the story of an elderly J.R.R. Tolkien in the 1970s defiantly giving all the liturgical responses in Latin, very loudly.

 

[silicasandra]

Thank you SO much for answering my questions.
-I never said the Mea Culpa in Mass before so maybe it was just the Archbishop’s call today?
-I wondered if it had something to do with the fact that it was Advent that we didn’t sing the Gloria; I kinda miss it.
-No, the rest of the congregation chimed in during the prayer so IDK? I didn’t want to fumble around to locate it in the Missal. I will be more aware next week.

It’s my understanding that the Gloria is not said or sung during Advent, but I agree with you that it is weird not having it there.

Everything went really well at our parish. The prayers (both those said by the priest and by the parishioners) were said much more slowly but we all seemed on the same page. Most of the Mass was chanted. I really liked it. My husband actually said as we walked back to the car that he liked it too.

There was one point right before the Sign of Peace, where about half of the church forgot “And with your spirit” - it came out “And also…with your spirit?”

Our choir must have been instructed to say and sing the responses very loudly to help coach us along. They did a good job.