So, how did the new translation go down at your parish?

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YoungTradCath said:
I know we already have the merged anticipation thread, but no one has started a thread about the post-implementation process yet, so I’m giving it a go.

How did the new translation work out the first time at your parish?

Did people catch on well?

Anyone have a massive stroke like some feared? (kidding obviously)

Any comments good or bad from Father in the homily or otherwise?

Any comments good or bad from the laity after mass?

Have at it.
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It went well, my priest is doing it in baby steps. I can tell he isn’t a super big fan of the new litergy.
 
CatholicZ09 said:
So, I just asked my friend about it, and he said it was horrible, especially the Confiteor and Creed. Most of the people also forgot the “and with your spirit” and “Lord, I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof…”.

It got me thinking, and I was thinking that maybe they should have done this earlier so that we could be prepared and comfortable with this new translation by Christmas. Those of you who go to parishes where they have done this, you’re lucky!
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I think it’s good timing actually. It’s soon enough that hopefully the priest will have some kind of flow, even if it’s not perfect, but Christmas and we can start to actually internally pray with the new liturgy, but close enough to Christmas that the pew cards or equivalent (my priest at one point said humorously somethign like “now take out your, whatever those things are called”; they are a laminated thing with a single fold and aren’t labeled as anything, so none of us know what it’s supposed to be called) should still be well distributed and Christmas-Eastern Catholics shouldn’t feel quite so alone in being new to the translation. Of course one could say it serves the Christmas-Easter Catholics right for disregarding their Sunday obligation, but still.

Also, as the sister mentioned yesterday in Advent there is no Gloria, so that helps simplify things and cut down the extra time mass takes until we get used to the new translation.
 
SeekNFind said:
Thank you SO much for answering my questions.
-I never said the Mea Culpa in Mass before so maybe it was just the Archbishop’s call today?
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Right. If I were in charge for a day, the other options would be eliminated and the Confiteor (which is what the act of penitence is usually called, from its opening word in Latin) would be mandatory. But sadly I am not, and it is not.
-I wondered if it had something to do with the fact that it was Advent that we didn’t sing the Gloria; I kinda miss it.
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Advent is a semi-penitential season, so I think the idea is that you are supposed to miss it and welcome it back on Christmas. In Lent you will see that we drop not only the Gloria but also the Alleluia.
-No, the rest of the congregation chimed in during the prayer so IDK? I didn’t want to fumble around to locate it in the Missal. I will be more aware next week.
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If it was after the Consecration, then the only things it could have been are the Memorial Acclamation (the Mystery of Faith), the Our Father and its Doxology (“For the kingdom, the power, and the glory …”), the Agnus Dei (“Lamb of God, you take away …”), or the Domine Non Sum Dignus (“Lord, I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof …”).
 
silicasandra said:
It’s my understanding that the Gloria is not said or sung during Advent, but I agree with you that it is weird not having it there. 🙂

Everything went really well at our parish. The prayers (both those said by the priest and by the parishioners) were said much more slowly but we all seemed on the same page.** Most of the Mass was chanted. I really liked it.** My husband actually said as we walked back to the car that he liked it too. 👍

There was one point right before the Sign of Peace, where about half of the church forgot “And with your spirit” - it came out “And also…with your spirit?”

Our choir must have been instructed to say and sing the responses very loudly to help coach us along. They did a good job. 👍
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I guess your parish went all out. Must be nice. 🙂
 
I’ve read revised translations of the Mass for a long time. Reading them on paper (or screen) was impressive, but nothing like experiencing them at Mass. Saying the new translation of the Confiteor really made me stop and think (in a way it hasn’t done before while reading it alone for devotional purposes). Something happens when we elevate our speech beyond how we normally speak. When we formalize our speech, what we say seems to have a deeper meaning.

Something great is happening in the Church these days. This side of eternity, there will always be a war raging- but I have seen things happen in recent years that, ten years ago, I never dreamed were possible.
 
No one could seem to get the “And with your spirit” line. It almost seemed like some people knew that was wrong, but were adamant to say mass the old way.

The “Lord, I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed” didn’t work out so well either.

The Apostle’s Creed probably went the best, except the priest made some minor mess-ups.

People had trouble with the songs. There wasn’t a whole lot of singing going on.

I think people generally liked the new way. Everyone was abuzz before Mass started.

The homily was about how a lot of the way Mass is said has actually stayed the same. I agree. It’s generally the same.

Has anyone noticed that the songs in the new Roman Missal are catchier than normal. They don’t sound like your typical run-of-the-mill Catholic Mass songs.
 
callmeChris said:
It went almost smoothly at my parish, despite a couple of confused people mumbling the old missal. As a Catholic of the next generation I found it really easy to understand. I can’t wait to live the rest of my life using this missal and teaching it to my family and my future children 👍
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Don’t be so sure this missal will be used for the rest of your life. That’s what the Baby Boomers might have thought about the last version, and see what happened?
 
I got there early to check things out, even though I bought a Daily Roman Missal (new edition.) Pew cards in place. Check. New missaletts in place. Check. All set for blast-off, oops, I mean, launch of the revised liturgy.

My home parish is a reverent but very friendly OF parish, made up of three parishes which merged. Some folks have been going to this church most of their lives. Some are “displaced” persons, but you wouldn’t be able to tell just because everyone is so friendly, and determined to make the mergers work. So I think I expected people to be a little more on their toes than they were. We had had some teaching on the retranslation, and had even had what I call a “color commentary” Mass, where the deacon gave what amounted to a play by play, months ago. Theoretically, everyone knew what to expect. Nevertheless, before he vested for Mass, the priest told us to just do our best, and we would get the hang of it sooner or later. Bless him for saying that.

We mangled it. Even the priest had a couple of faux pas. So did the deacon.

No one seemed to know when to kneel at the Angus Dei (before, during, or after.) So we had a “wave” type thing going on during it. The Confiteor? Feggedaboudit! Several versions of the Sanctus were being sung around me. At least three quarters of the congregation stuck with “and also with you.” The remaining twenty five percent came out with “and also with your spirit too.” I’m pretty sure I heard an “et cum spiritu tuo” somewhere among the din. “Under my roof” was unintelligible.

You could tell frustration with oneself was growing around the nave. Normally pleasant and intelligent people looked confused and upset. A couple of them looked like they were going to throw the missalette.

At the final blessing, where he had gotten so flustered that he said, “The Lord be with your spirit,” Father ad-libbed a little before giving the blessing and dismissal. He said, “I can just picture God looking down at all of His children all across the country today, and saying, 'Aw, aren’t they cute when they’re trying so hard to be good?”

That cracked us all up. Father gave the blessing, and followed with “go forth, the Mass is ended.”

To which we all said with special emphasis today, “Thanks be to GOD!”
 
Thoughts in no particular order . . .

For all/for many: the Latin is “pro multis,” not “por omnis” (pardon my grammar, but didn’t get much help from my daughter who took four years of Latin.)

“and with your spirit” isn’t merely the prior Roman use, but universal amongh the other Apostolic Churches, whether Eastern Catholic or Orthodox.

These changes take time. In the Byzantine Catholic Metropolia of Pittsburgh (or whatever we’re called this week :p:), we heavily revised the liturgy a couple of years ago’ and it settled down within a couple of months.

As to how ingrained these responses are: it was reportd qt under Soviet rule, the Russian Orthodox patriarch was summoned to the Politburo on Pascha (Easter). He greeted them traditionally with, “Christ is risen.”. Supposedly half either relied or started and choked on the reply (“Glorify Him!”).

Also, only one person mentioned the priest chanting–the priest is now strongly encouraged to chant the liturgy. Unfortunately, very few have been trained to do this in recent decades. (ours is chanted or sung from beginning to end, save for the Communion prayerer. Father has been known to drift ino chant when offering Mass at RC parishes.)

I won’t see the revisions until Christmas, but I’m looking forward to seeing/hearing them (we generally only attend the Roman Rite when visiting or camping wi family).

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Someone mentioned to me that they overheard someone say, “Boy, we’re just getting more and more Protestant everyday.” They were speaking of the new translation. I had to laugh because if anything, we are getting more Catholic. I don’t understand how someone could think we are getting more “protestant.”
 
It only occured to me today that part of why “and also with you” is apparently deeply ingrained for me personally despite being a convert is probably the fact that, as had actually slipped my mind, during communion services (or at least the versions we used) in my original United Methodist Church there is an exchange between the minister and congregation of “The Lord be with you” “And also with you.” Many of these parallels with revised (Paul VI-era) Catholic things happened in a spirit of ecuminism, and I suspect that like the traditional Anglican liturgy the response had once been “And with thy spirit.” I wonder if they will consider introducing a new option with “And with your spirit” or “And with thy spirit” now that “and also with you” will now not be very common outside a few Protestant denominations. Somehow I doubt it.
 
CatholicZ09 said:
Someone mentioned to me that they overheard someone say, “Boy, we’re just getting more and more Protestant everyday.” They were speaking of the new translation. I had to laugh because if anything, we are getting more Catholic. I don’t understand how someone could think we are getting more “protestant.”
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Probably because many Anglicans/Episcopalians still use “And with thy spirit.” Maybe he’d been to a Episcopalian service or saw the royal wedding or something and didn’t realize the Catholic roots of the phrase.
 
On the radio this morning during a news break they had a story on the new Mass translation.
They talked to a spokesman from the office of a bishop and he said the most noticeable change will be from saying “and also with you” to now saying “and ALSO with your spirit”. I got a chuckle out of that.

I thought the one phrase that would be the easiest to say seems to be
giving the most fits. We said the the Confiteor, Nicene Creed and the communion prayer
pretty well without any previous practice and yet more people stumble over “and with your
spirit” than anything else, even though it got better towards the end of Mass.
 
CatholicZ09 said:
Someone mentioned to me that they overheard someone say, “Boy, we’re just getting more and more Protestant everyday.” They were speaking of the new translation. I had to laugh because if anything, we are getting more Catholic. I don’t understand how someone could think we are getting more “protestant.”
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I imagine these people are familiar with the protestant churches which use/use a pre-ICEL English translations for their liturgies.

Does anyone know if the Lutherans will follow the Catholic lead and begin using the revised translation? If I recall correctly it was around 10 years after the Catholic Church adopted the the former ICEL translation that the Lutherans made the change.
 
We were well prepared and did pretty well. We have been singing the new Sanctus and Mystery of Faith. It was the first for the Creed and Confiteor They went pretty well since we were all reading it from the new cards or missals. I stumbled a little. The only time the congregation had a little trouble was chanting “And with your spirit” when the Deacon chanted before the Gospel. We did well saying to the Priest the other times.
 
YoungTradCath said:
I know we already have the merged anticipation thread, but no one has started a thread about the post-implementation process yet, so I’m giving it a go.

How did the new translation work out the first time at your parish?

Did people catch on well?

Anyone have a massive stroke like some feared? (kidding obviously)

Any comments good or bad from Father in the homily or otherwise?

Any comments good or bad from the laity after mass?

Have at it.
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The church was breathtakingly beautiful this morning. I will say that I am used to BLUE for Advent but since purple is my favorite color–I’m loving it!! The Advent wreath is so pretty!! I want one!

I did participate in the new responses but I was sure confused! Between all the page flipping and my belting out “AND ALSO WITH YOU” I left feeling like mass was a mess! I love my Sunday missal, it has the Eucharistic prayers and I will say that they are breathtakingly beautiful although they seem very clumsy to read out loud.

I did participate in every inch of the mass but still do NOT like the "I’m not worthy …under my roof…stuff that just takes away the comfort I used to glean when I was wrestling up to the last minute with whether or not to take communion. I could care less about someone’s house, it’s ME feeling unworthy…it just doesn’t get it for me and is distracting. All in all, most people seemed to get it all right.

I was sad not hearing, “free us from all anxiety”…that meant the world to me as I suffer with a crippling anxiety disorder. The word distress sounds so impersonal…but it didn’t bother me as much as I thought it would. I simply added, “free me from all anxiety Lord” after Fr Dan finished and felt OK with that.

After mass I heard someone say, “I thought Catholics didn’t believe in consubstantiation.” I was stunned that this man even could SAY that word much less know it’s historical place in the Lutheran religion. I could see he was upset. I said, “That word was referring to the relationship of Jesus to the Father not the Eucharist.” and he said, “Oh OK”. That was my biggest objection in the changes to the Nicene Creed.

But…I listened and everyone said the word consubstantiation correctly so that was good. I did see a few rosaries come out (an old couple), and a few people shove the missellette books back in the rack and stop responding (3 or 4 people), almost no one was singing but it’s hard…it’s the only mass I’ve known and maybe that’s true for others. About 1/2 said, “And also with you” including me once. It just FITS even though I know the Latin. I can live with it but I see myself still saying it wrong a year from now when I don’t stop and think. Every time I said, “And with your spirit” I kept picturing Casper the friendly ghost standing next to Fr Dan…like a pet ghost??? I don’t know, I’m weird what can I say?

UGH…I really put effort into it but I really don’t like it…I guess this is just going to take a LOT longer for some of us than others. Overall the church tried hard but you could see some were upset, others were confused, and most were flipping around trying to figure out what was going on, almost no one sang, I think they were too busy looking at the pages and responses.

Blessings to all on this first Sunday in Advent–in spite of all the changes our parish did surprisingly well and the priest was warm and affirming.
 
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