So, how did the new translation go down at your parish?

[MissRose73]

I wish there was a Latin language Ordinary Form Mass in my area. I would know some of the responses as many are the same like at the Extra Ordinary Form. I am sure with time the English responses will flow better as people get themselves into the new things.

 

[Charybdis]

Went OK at our small parish, but there were some who responded with the “old” responses. It seems the hardest one to break is the “and also with you.” Even our deacon said it on the altar accidentally!!

I heard one older person in the pews saying that they were too old to learn new responses!!! But all in all, I really didn’t think that there were that many changes with what the laity does and responds…we’ll get used to it soon enough…

 

[whipp711]

Pretty mixed bag of responses and missteps at my parish. I found myself fighting to concentrate on reading, rather than being on autopilot. That’s probably good as I will definitely concentrate more on the message, rather than monkey see, monkey do.

With time, I think everyone will go with it. I definitely like it. Now, if we could just change the band to a choir, I would feel better.

 

[JReducation]

I really don’t understand the necessity of the change. I really don’t like
it and question the wisdom of further alienating Catholics. I really felt a loss at mass this evening.

The biggest reason is that the English translation is incorrect, which places English speaking Catholics out of communion with the rest of the Latin Catholic world. For example, while everyone else is saying “And with your Spirit” the English speakers are saying “And also with you.” Also, many of the words are taken from Scripture. They were changed or parts of the sentences were omitted.

We actually didn’t even use it (except for a few parts). The cantor couldn’t make it, and the priest said (since he didn’t know the music to the sung parts) , we would just use the old parts. Why we just couldn’t recite the new parts, I can’t say. We had terrible preparation for all of this. The most that was done was the handing out of pew cards for the past few weeks, which we didn’t use. I guess we were just supposed to get used to holding them? Also, the priest has had absolutely nothing good to say about the new translation, in fact he has continually made fun of it from the start.

It is very disheartening.

With all due respects to the good Father, whether we like it or not, we are called to give an assent of the will and to encourage others to do the same.

It seemed to go alight. I was surprised that the names of St. Michael, St. John the Baptist, and Saints Peter and Paul were not restored to the confiteor, though.

They were not in the original Latin translation. If you go to one of the language groups that has it correctly translated, John the Baptist, Peter, Paul and Michael are not included in the Confiteor.

What they did was that they took the confiteor used by monks and friars. In that tradition, these names were not in the prayer. When they rewrote the new order, it was not so new as people think. A lot was transferred from the major orders of men over to the parish. It’s funny, because people often think that Protestants were very influential in the revision of the Liturgy. But if truth be told, monks and friars were much more influential. A lot of what is in the OF already existed in monasteries and friaries. Some of what was added, did not exist among Protestants.

The Lutheranans took their liturgy from the monks. Therefore, it gives the average Catholic the impression that the OF is Lutheran. The truth is that the Lutheran service as an adaptation of the Augustinian Form of the mass. How may Catholics get to live alongside Augustinians? You probably see more Lutherans and than you do Augustinians. Otherwise, we’d know that they have a very simple confiteor, which they inherited from Cistercians.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

 

[Newbie2]

“The Lord be with you”

“And also with your Spirit”

 

[Viola_Incognita]

I liked that people in my parish helped one another, making sure that people had their cards and knew were they were. We made mistakes, but we’ll learn.

I also liked how our priest spoke after Mass and pointed out that we all come here to worship God. All of our pews point toward the altar. He said we come here with our goal being eternity.

Sort of put things in perspective.

 

[vz71]

“The Lord be with you”

“And also with your Spirit”

Heard that as well.

 

[marleelynn]

about half of the congregration slipped on “and with your spirit” (myself included at the gospel). I was okay at the beginning at end of mass.

 

[asia53]

We did pretty well. Like others, we had missed responses. My friend was next to me, and messed it up. She whispered to me, “Hold my hand and give it a squeeze next time.” I squeezed her hand, and I messed the response up. Father said, “Don’t worry! We’ll get better.”

 

[Mrs_Sally]

We stared singing the new Mass settings (and so new words) in October. Then for daily Mass we switched to the new translation. That was hilarious for All Saints Day, when more people than the usualy daily Mass crowd were theer. We do have excellent pew cards and the priests have been very, very good about explaining things. We don’t go to Mass until Sunday evening this week, so I’ll have to report back after that.

So Mass was interesting and the new translation was the least of it. We started using a new hymnal that includes Mass settings and readings, so no more missalette which had everyone confused. The reader then proceeded to read from Year C, the cantor sung from Year A, and then the priest finally read the Gospel from B. And we were all flipping wildly through the new book.

But, good news is that “and with your spirit” seemed to roll off everyone’s tongue just fine!

 

[MissBorgia]

We stumbled, but so did Father. The worst part was

“Holy, holy, holyyyyyy
Lord God of hosts
Heaven and earth are full of your glory
Hosannah in the highest…”

No one knew what to do with the “holyyyyy” and yes, it was written that way on the screens, so most people started to do it the old way, the cantor was confused and didn’t start singing until the 3rd line, it was a MESS!!

“And also with you…with your spirit” seems to be what we end up with. But by the 3rd occurrence, we had almost…nailed it.

**I imagine that we will be able to drown out the Christmas Catholics, or I hope so, because they will be bumfuzzled for sure./**QUOTE

Feel sorry for the Christmas Catholics. they have NO idea what they are in for.

 

[RosalieM]

**I imagine that we will be able to drown out the Christmas Catholics, or I hope so, because they will be bumfuzzled for sure./**QUOTE

Feel sorry for the Christmas Catholics. they have NO idea what they are in for.

:clapping: Fun!!!

 

[anp1215]

TheRealJuliane;8626447:

We stumbled, but so did Father. The worst part was

“Holy, holy, holyyyyyy
Lord God of hosts
Heaven and earth are full of your glory
Hosannah in the highest…”

No one knew what to do with the “holyyyyy” and yes, it was written that way on the screens

, so most people started to do it the old way, the cantor was confused and didn’t start singing until the 3rd line, it was a MESS!!

“And also with you…with your spirit” seems to be what we end up with. But by the 3rd occurrence, we had almost…nailed it.

**I imagine that we will be able to drown out the Christmas Catholics, or I hope so, because they will be bumfuzzled for sure./**QUOTE

Feel sorry for the Christmas Catholics. they have NO idea what they are in for.
that is just too funny, I’ve never seen a word actually written like that

 

[Miriam1947]

Today after daily Mass I was talking with one of the parishioners and he was upset because he said we were going back in time and why did it have to change?

I explained that we in the English speaking world have had it wrong all these years and that is why it had to change. So that we matched everyone else. I also told him that some of the lines from the Latin had not even been translated.

What is really ridiculous to me is that it took 10 years. If you have a copy of the little mass book in Latin, the correct English translation is right there and has been all these years.

 

[JHow]

I thought our parish did a pretty good job of accepting the new translation, but then I overheard a mom at my kid’s (catholic) school complaining today. Beginnings are sometimes difficult, I guess.

 

[jwinch2]

Our pastor told me today that some of the parents of smaller children complained as it was hard for them to understand and follow. Other than that, our implementation went pretty well.

 

[AndyP2010]

My Mass was Life Teen which was really quite good they changed all of the musical settings all of which were better than their old ones.

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What is really ridiculous to me is that it took 10 years. If you have a copy of the little mass book in Latin, the correct English translation is right there and has been all these years.

Here is a video put out by life teen that explains the changes and also reviews the process of how the translation was done, albeit in a humorous way. 10 Years makes a lot of sense.
life-teen-explains-the-new-translation-of-the-roman-missal/

 

[Phemie]

TheRealJuliane;8626447:

I imagine that we will be able to drown out the Christmas Catholics, or I hope so, because they will be bumfuzzled for sure.

I feel sorry for the Christmas Catholics. they have NO idea what they are in for.

I suspect that, quite the contrary, they’ll simply leave church after Mass saying, “There was something different tonight but I can’t quite put my finger on what it was.”

 

[anp1215]

I suspect that, quite the contrary, they’ll simply leave church after Mass saying, “There was something different tonight but I can’t quite put my finger on what it was.”

That’s what I was thinking, if someone really only goes to Mass twice a year, I don’t think they would really notice the difference.

 

[JGMendes4049]

What is really ridiculous to me is that it took 10 years. If you have a copy of the little Mass book in Latin, the correct English translation is right there and has been all these years.

It is way more complicated than that.

First, the Latin typical edition is translated. Episcopal conferences are in charge of that. They usually commission a group. The English–speaking episcopal conferences decided to commission ICEL. So ICEL translates it.

Then, it goes to the bishops, who review it and send back comments to ICEL.

Next, ICEL revises the translation, and it is sent to the episcopal conferences for approval. Then Rome reviews it, and approves or rejects the translation.

Then you have the adaptations for each country. For example, in the United States, one of the adaptations is kneeling from the Sanctus rather than the Consecration. This has to be approved by two–thirds of the Latin Church bishops in the country, and then sent to Rome for approval.

Multiply a large text by many difficult and awkward languages (from a translator’s perspective), with a lot of bishops and episcopal conferences, and a lot of adaptations for each, and then Rome having to approve, it takes a LONG time to even get permission to promulgate. Then permission is given for implementation.