So, how did the new translation go down at your parish?

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JReducation said:
Speaking of Franciscans, did anyone see the Sunday mass on EWTN? The Friar was so attentive to the changes in the wording that he lost his place in the missal. Our missal has many more pages and things are in a different place, because we have all of those Franciscan holy days. When you get used to one missal and they throw another in front of you, you have to learn where everything is. At one point, he had to turn from one part of the missal to another and you suddenly saw him flipping through it as one does through the Yellow Pages and the look on his face was priceless.
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Same thing happened today at our morning Mass. The Yellow Pages Flip. 😉

Father has been a priest for 25 years, and I could see him struggling against his habits, the words, postures and gestures which have become a part of his life. I feel sorry for him, because he is so used to everything, stepping back, bowing and clasping his hands at certain points, and now everything is thrown out of whack. It really brought home what a big change the priests. It’s not just a few different words. They have to relearn almost the whole Mass, and instead of concentrating on praying, they have to worry about the mechanics of the whole thing like when they were in seminary.

So I’ll hold the new 75% bigger missal for Father on Thursday evening. Gonna have to eat my Wheaties.

-Tim-
 
OK, so I’m not the only one who thought that the new missal is much bigger than the old one. I thought I needed new glasses. From where I was standing, it looked thicker and no tabs, but ribbons instead. If you forget whether the red or the blue is the Eucharistic prayer that you were going to use, you have to do the Yellow Page flip until you memorize what color ribbon is in which place, as you do with the breviary.

I don’t know about the Roman Missal, but the Roman-Franciscan had tabs on the side of the pages. The friar didn’t have memorize what color was on what part. He just glanced down at the tab and flip to the place. It was smooth.

I hadn’t though about some of the tiny altar servers having to hold that big book. Pass the Weaties.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF :christmastree1:
 
JReducation said:
OK, so I’m not the only one who thought that the new missal is much bigger than the old one. I thought I needed new glasses. From where I was standing, it looked thicker and no tabs, but ribbons instead. If you forget whether the red or the blue is the Eucharistic prayer that you were going to use, you have to do the Yellow Page flip until you memorize what color ribbon is in which place, as you do with the breviary.

I don’t know about the Roman Missal, but the Roman-Franciscan had tabs on the side of the pages. The friar didn’t have memorize what color was on what part. He just glanced down at the tab and flip to the place. It was smooth.

I hadn’t though about some of the tiny altar servers having to hold that big book. Pass the Weaties.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF :christmastree1:
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Just a very stupid question coming from a simple minded individual. Are you allowed to add tabs if you want?
 
Sirach2 said:
JR, my pastor is concerned about the very young altar servers - not only the weight of carrying it to Father, but their little arms holding it up while he reads. Wonder how this is going to turn out, and if he needs to use adults instead? :confused:
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My parish has a smaller version and a larger version. I don’t understand why, but I think it’s for the convenience of the little altar servers so that it’s lighter on them. We use the larger one for the altar and the smaller for the opening and closing prayers.
 
JReducation said:
Does it make sense why a layman would want to worship like an Augustinian? It’s to preserve the Augustinian tradition and culture, which is necessary to the life of the Church. Whether you’re a Franciscan or a layman, the Augustinian presence, is necessary to your spiritual life and their way of worshiping enriches the Church, therefore it enriches you and me.
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Well said, Brother!

I feel the same way regarding the Catholic layman’s tradition and culture! 😉

Speaking about the confiteor translation, our good old Catholic Encyclopedia has a great entry for this prayer. It mentions St. Francis, like you said!

It also highlighted something I had not previously noticed, even though I have recited both new and old forms of the confiteor countless times. The old confiteor, whether whether or not mentioning specific saints, references Our lady and the saints in the confessing portion, as well as in the entreaties for remission. So, there is the idea of confessing to the communion of saints as well as requesting their intercessions.
 
Our local town paper did a poll about whether people liked the new translation. I was so surprised that 51% said no. I thought there was so much discussion ahead of time explaining why - I did not realize we were the only English speaking country with the former translation, for example - that it would be smoother. From the few comments of those who didn’t like it, though, it sounded like the older crowd complaining it was too hard for them to change.
 
JRRTFAN said:
The prep in our parish was essentially non-existent, cosidering that it went fairly well, we had a nicely done “liturgical aid” that everybody followed pretty well. The aging hippie set has been pretty vocal about “pre-Vatican II return” but I didn’t see any of them collapsed in an apoplectic heap getting the last rites, moaning Kumbaya and banging a tambourine on their head. So about an 8 on the Richter scale hereabouts.
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Best description. 😃 And I’m a baby-boomer! But I like the new translations. A few of us do.

[You have no idea how much fun it’s NOT been being a baby boomer. :hypno: ]
 
Cristiano said:
Just a very stupid question coming from a simple minded individual. Are you allowed to add tabs if you want?
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Cristiano, actually that’s a very good question.

Yes, you can buy tabs. In fact, there’s a demo video online someplace where I watched a priest put tabs on the new altar missal.
 
CatholicZ09 said:
Someone mentioned to me that they overheard someone say, “Boy, we’re just getting more and more Protestant everyday.” They were speaking of the new translation. I had to laugh because if anything, we are getting more Catholic. I don’t understand how someone could think we are getting more “protestant.”
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I’m a convert. Catholics say silly things about protestants because most Catholics have no idea what they teach. They usually have it quite backwards. For instance, when Catholics go bad in a progressive kind of way, it doesn’t resemble classic protestantism even though that’s what Catholics usually say. Really, it looks much more like a strange sort of neo-paganism. No classical protestant (Baptist, Church of God, etc) would be caught dead out celebrating a solstice or playing around with anneagrams. According to their tradition both of those would get you a 1st class ticket to Hell, paid in full, on the first train going that direction.

In the case you have here, perhaps the person is reacting to the use of Scripture in the mass. Yes, it’s more evident. But there’s not anything Protestant about using Scripture!!! It has always been part of the liturgy. Catholics should read Scripture much more than they do.
 
SMHW said:
Actually that makes a lot of sense to me. There are still plenty of people who remember responding, “Et cum spiritu tuo,” and even younger people who may never have attended a Mass with Latin responses have sometimes heard it on television or in movies. And if it is chanted people tend to remember even better.

I’m kind of curious if people had an easier time saying, “And with your spirit,” in Masses where it was spoken or in Masses where it was chanted (and the priest chanted, “The Lord be with you,” using the same tones as with the previous translation.)
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Definitely, the responses are returned better when the priest chants. The people chant back and they have to think before replying, so they tend to get it right. I attended masses at 2 different parishes this weekend, and the last one had both chanted parts and non-chanted parts and it was very evident.
 
jwinch2 said:
Our pastor told me today that some of the parents of smaller children complained as it was hard for them to understand and follow. Other than that, our implementation went pretty well.
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They’re young and smart. If they can figure out how to text each other in math class and not get caught, they can figure out how to respond in mass. Have no fear. They’re just making noise, probably because they’ve heard it from their elders. Kids do that.

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How do you think people reacted to the new responses at Mass this week?
 
Did the words of the consecration change too? I was following along in the missel and it said something like “took into his venerable and holy hands.” I think the priest was on automatic pilot at that point and said what he has always said.
 
Eugenius said:
Did the words of the consecration change too? I was following along in the missel and it said something like “took into his venerable and holy hands.” I think the priest was on automatic pilot at that point and said what he has always said.
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There are a number of Eucharistic prayers now, and the words may be a little different from prayer to prayer. But in the 1st Eucharistic prayer, yes, those words are supposed to be there. If you get a Sunday missal (or alternately google the Eucharistic prayers in the new 3rd Edition), you can see the texts as they’re supposed to be prayed.
 
Cavaille-Coll said:
Since my parish has been using the people’s new responses for several months with the bishop’s permission, the transition went almost flawlessly. No negative comments after Mass, but many noted that the new translation of the Mass is more beautiful and elevated than before.
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That’s how I felt. The caliber of the Mass is higher.👍
 
I love the new translation. Today we had a priest who is our retired pastor. And you can tell he has really studied this but, even so there were a couple of oops.

What I really appreciated though was that he went back and corrected if he said something wrong.

He has really been looking forward to the new translation, as have I.

Yippee! 😃
 
iloveangels said:
They’re young and smart. If they can figure out how to text each other in math class and not get caught, they can figure out how to respond in mass. Have no fear. They’re just making noise, probably because they’ve heard it from their elders. Kids do that.

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My 6 year old granddaughter has been paying attention at Mass while the new musical settings were being introduced and the priest was presenting the changes (and he did a thorough job) and had all the new music memorized by last Sunday. She also was able to follow along with the simple responses (“and with your spirit”). She was sitting in the back seat, belting out the Gloria, a week before. Kids most certainly can learn this. The nine year old had little trouble responding, and she was following the “cheat sheet”. She had a little trouble with “consubstantial”, and some of the bigger or more complicated words, though, but followed pretty well, according to her mother. It’s just a matter of practice and preparation. In their church every family got a packet with a CD, besides formal teaching starting 6 weeks before Advent.

The biggest problem was explaining things, like the meanings of some words and phrases.
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It was favorably received by those of my parish. I think that we had all been effectively acquainted with the changes through classes and handouts beforehand so everyone seemed comfortable with it.
 
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