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iloveangels
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Yes, and one thing about being Catholic is that there’s always more to learn. And that will be the case all of that little girl’s life as a Catholic, just like it is for all of us, and that’s a good thing.
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AlexPetrosPio
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I wonder how Christmas will be…or Easter when we have gotten used to the new translation and more “cheasters” usually show up (at least in my parish). They will be so lost…
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hn160
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From what I have seen of your new translation of the Mass, the new translation is closer to our Lutheran Divine Service ( Mass ) setting three.
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ChantalM
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Just had to comment. At our parish we had been doing run-throughs the last 3 Sundays, so it wasn’t as bad as it could’ve been. I think my favourite part thus far has been the “Lord, I am not worthy …” just before receiving. Really makes you think about Whom you’re receiving. However, out east in my old diocese, there are already grumblings about the new translation. My friend of a certain age hates all the standing she has to do. And my former priest, well I’m sure he’s made it known he doesn’t like it either. I can just see that happening.
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MissRose73
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I just don’t get why people are complaining about the translations. I am sure some places prepared the faithful better than others. I know that many older people are set in their ways, and don’t wish to change what they have been doing for so long.
I do like the new translations. Much more faithful to the Latin it was translated from. I still will never get where “et cum spiritu tuo” got translated in the first place to “Also with you” instead of the “And with your spirit”.
I do like the new translations. Much more faithful to the Latin it was translated from. I still will never get where “et cum spiritu tuo” got translated in the first place to “Also with you” instead of the “And with your spirit”.
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pnewton
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Not all priests are good leaders. A disgruntled priest is likely to pass his own distaste for the new translation on to his flock. On the other hand, a priest who understands leadership will know the value in presenting any change as if it were his own, whether he personally likes it or not. There is no gain in embittering others over one’s own tastes and opinions. I can tell you in truth that I have no idea what my priest really thinks. He has presented he changes and worked out a transition. He has spoken to the reasons for the changes he knows. That is what a good priest should have done, that is, backed the Church they represent.
My wife noted the same.That’s how I felt. The caliber of the Mass is higher.
And liked it.
Perhaps one day this will help her become Catholic.
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pioneer1572
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It’s hilarious to hear half the congregation say the old responses while the rest are struggling to read/remember the new ones. At my church we’ve been practicing a little bit before it went “official” but the people attending still don’t seem to have it all together.
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MissRose73
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At the parishes I’ve attended Mass for Sunday obligation, none of them mentioned any issues with the new translation to come. At one parish I attended, the priest took about 10 minutes before the start of Mass to go over a new segment in preparation for changes with the congregation which I found very helpful during a month or so period of time. Other priests made small mention of changes, and just included bulletin inserts given to him by the diocese for further education of the laity.
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opus101
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Does the Lutheran service use the Nicene Creed? If so, are the words “consubstantial
with the Father” used? I would be interested in knowing. I have no problem with the new translation at all, but am curious as to how other denominations translate this phrase.
I would be interested to know the answer to this question too.
I think the Lutherans tend to use the Apostles Creed more often than the Nicene Creed and don’t know if the Nicene Creed has/had a standard liturgical form. Catholics used to say, “of one substance with the Father,” so maybe Lutherans did too?
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opus101
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This link was absolutely a wonderful help! Thank you so much! So, evidently, most others have been saying essentially the same thing as our new translation : “of one SUBSTANCE”, meaning “consubstantial”.
How embarrassing that the Catholic Church was the only one listed that fell into the theologically imprecise/ inaccurate “one in being”, which is listed as the “ecumenical” version. Oy .
Thank God for the rod of Peter.
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opus101
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I feel really bad that my father, a convert in the late 50s, did not live to enjoy the new translation and everything else that will come to pass as a result of it. He passed away a few years ago, lamenting that, in many ways, the Mass had lost its Catholicity.
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gh4
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For our Sat. and Sunday Masses, it went very well actually! I was surprised.
However, we had a funeral at our church yesterday and it was not so good. Many of these people evidently don’t go to church regularly and were puzzled looking over what some of us were saying. At least by the end of the mass, people were saying 'And with your Spirit." The rest of it was pretty bad, most everyone saying the old stuff.
I’m going over the changes every day now, twice. Hoping that they will become second nature to me more quickly. I’m a musician and I just don’t have time to look at the “cheat” pew cards we have.
Our church has had it’s own set of changes in the last 6 months with a new priest and with the majority of the people being retired, they don’t like changes, and they don’t like this at this point. But as one of the gal’s said, we’ll get used to it, we haven’t got a choice.
However, we had a funeral at our church yesterday and it was not so good. Many of these people evidently don’t go to church regularly and were puzzled looking over what some of us were saying. At least by the end of the mass, people were saying 'And with your Spirit." The rest of it was pretty bad, most everyone saying the old stuff.
I’m going over the changes every day now, twice. Hoping that they will become second nature to me more quickly. I’m a musician and I just don’t have time to look at the “cheat” pew cards we have.
Our church has had it’s own set of changes in the last 6 months with a new priest and with the majority of the people being retired, they don’t like changes, and they don’t like this at this point. But as one of the gal’s said, we’ll get used to it, we haven’t got a choice.
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iloveangels
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Yes, I know what you mean by your added part in your post. I was overwhelmed before and lost my faith that God guides the order, since what I saw all around me was weird and pretty far out in left field. I guess I’m not so overwhelmed anymore.
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iloveangels
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I occasionally get a Tau magazine in the mail, and I read more or less the same thing you’re telling me in there re JPIC etc, and it’s the first time I’d heard it, and it was a different message than I was getting before. That’s what got me started thinking about this again.
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NOLA_Nole
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Am I the only one who is wholeheartedly against these changes?
I’m not a “liberal Catholic,” but I’m a strong, 33-year-old, cradle Catholic and the old translation is all I have known. My feelings are if the old translation is wrong, then why didn’t they get it right the first time? The old translation was plenty good enough before, and now all of a sudden it’s not? Give me a break.
Unfortunately, I know I won’t be able to find a church that will use the old Mass, so I will either have to come to grips with the changes or find a new religion.
It really bothers me that the Vatican will do this to me and take away the sacred liturgy from me.
Apparently I’m in the minority . . .
I want my old Mass back!
I’m not a “liberal Catholic,” but I’m a strong, 33-year-old, cradle Catholic and the old translation is all I have known. My feelings are if the old translation is wrong, then why didn’t they get it right the first time? The old translation was plenty good enough before, and now all of a sudden it’s not? Give me a break.
Unfortunately, I know I won’t be able to find a church that will use the old Mass, so I will either have to come to grips with the changes or find a new religion.
It really bothers me that the Vatican will do this to me and take away the sacred liturgy from me.
Apparently I’m in the minority . . .
I want my old Mass back!
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Chris_McAvoy
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Instead of paying attention to what Protestants use it might make more sense to care what the Eastern Orthodox “catholic” christians use. They are the only other church that has a recognizably legitimate Eucharist and legitimately ordained clergy and sacraments according to the Latin Catholic belief. (even if they are considered schismatic).
The words "“consubstantial with the Father” are frequently found in several official translations within the Eastern Orthodox Churches and were put there at an earlier date.
The greek orthodox archdiocese of thyatera in great britain for example uses these words in its official english translation.
see the liner notes of this booklet for what is considered the most accurate english language byzantine liturgical translation, which by the way was recordined in its standard sung form on the wonderful cd’s that this booklet accompanied.
The Divine Liturgy of St John Chrysostom in English
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Chris_McAvoy
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The answer to this can be found in the writings of the Latin Mass Magazine, Michael Davies, Dr Geoffrey Hull, Dr. Alice von Hildebrand, the Adoremus bulletin, The Catholic Truth Society, Eastern Churches Journal, Pastoral and Homiletic Review, SSPX, FSSP and plenty of eastern catholic/orthodox websites and traditional organizations.
The simple answer is that most of the western christian world went crazy with modernist/liberal influences in the mid 60’s thats the answer period. Thats why even today people are still building churches in odd designs, the shape of giant iconoclastic triangles and dioceses buy weird “crystial cathedrals” and think they’re good for catholic masses. The influences are less prominent now and the hierarchy has apparently gradually come to it’s senses.
Apparently the average Catholic is aloof to much of this and has to turn to those more educated traditional ones for explanations. The ones who were once mocked and persecuted as being outdated are now the ones more and more in a position of respect and leadership.
That’s why this thread was started by someone with a username “young traditionalist”
Young traditionalists like us…we are the future, we are the new cutting edge . We are the embodiment of the history of the fathers of the church, saints and ancestors before us. The students who’ve spent their years reading the matins lessons now become the teachers to help restore the church to God’s holy wisdom and humility.
Yesterdays moderate conservative/catholics may very well become the future “liberal” catholics if they can not keep up with understanding and obeying the current mandate of correcting the abuses and experiments deemed faulty.
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