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[Prodigal_Son1]

First of all, did you even look at what it says by my name? Didnt think so…You would not popped out the standard Sola Scriptura lines if you had.

The point of my question, which was not really answered, is that take the Pharisees for example that you used as an example. The Pharisees are not the authority for all time with the Jews. The person whose interpretation is valued depends based upon the context.
Its almost like your random verse generator is broken. You are throwing out more unrelated passages than most fundamentalists.
The concept of interpretation involves a teacher, for example the Ethopian Eunuch but one can only extrapolate so much.

I do not use a ‘random verse generator’. I apologize if I didn’t make myself clear. Please provide the ‘unrelated’ verses and I’ll try to do a better job of explaining how they ARE related.

If Christ had confidence to tell people to listen to what those who sat upon Moses’ seat said, don’t you think he has confidence God’s truth can be protected through men of His Church?

In Nehemiah 8, the priests explained scriptures to the people and caused them to understand.

Yes, I know about the Eunuch and Philip. Philip, an appointed man of the Church, had to preach Jesus to the Eunuch so that he believed and was baptized on the spot.

There is a trend of authorized men of the Temple/Church teachings scriptures. There are none supporting private interpretation.

 

[BrianH]

I do not use a ‘random verse generator’. I apologize if I didn’t make myself clear. Please provide the ‘unrelated’ verses and I’ll try to do a better job of explaining how they ARE related.

If Christ had confidence to tell people to listen to what those who sat upon Moses’ seat said, don’t you think he has confidence God’s truth can be protected through men of His Church?

In Nehemiah 8, the priests explained scriptures to the people and caused them to understand.

Yes, I know about the Eunuch and Philip. Philip, an appointed man of the Church, had to preach Jesus to the Eunuch so that he believed and was baptized on the spot.

There is a trend of authorized men of the Temple/Church teachings scriptures. There are none supporting private interpretation.

Has the Catholic Church interpreted all of the scripture you just cited? I do not believe so. Catholics and Protestants all engage in private interpretation. I am not even sure that a Catholic is unable to privately interpret some scripture assuming it is not at odds with Church teaching. Break out the Catechism, what does it say officially about private interpretation because we MIGHT need to shut down the boards

On a side note, 2nd Timothy 3:16-17 indicates that scripture is valuable for all
Christians for every good work. It does not seem to be closely tied to an authority figure.

 

[BrianH]

And because I am guessing you might not know, the UMC uses scripture, tradition, reason, and experience. My apologies if you did

 

[tweetymom]

Has the Catholic Church interpreted all of the scripture you just cited? I do not believe so. Catholics and Protestants all engage in private interpretation. I am not even sure that a Catholic is unable to privately interpret some scripture assuming it is not at odds with Church teaching. Break out the Catechism, what does it say officially about private interpretation because we MIGHT need to shut down the boards

On a side note, 2nd Timothy 3:16-17 indicates that scripture is valuable for all
Christians for every good work. It does not seem to be closely tied to an authority figure.

Amen to that post.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Has the Catholic Church interpreted all of the scripture you just cited? I do not believe so. Catholics and Protestants all engage in private interpretation. I am not even sure that a Catholic is unable to privately interpret some scripture assuming it is not at odds with Church teaching. Break out the Catechism, what does it say officially about private interpretation because we MIGHT need to shut down the boards

On a side note, 2nd Timothy 3:16-17 indicates that scripture is valuable for all
Christians for every good work. It does not seem to be closely tied to an authority figure.

You say valuable, one Bible says profitable, others state useful…none of which are complete or all that is needed.

**2Ti 3:16 All scripture, inspired of God, is profitable to teach, to reprove, to correct, to instruct in justice:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, furnished to every good work. **

Also, note it is good for teaching, reproving, correcting and instructing, all from authority. Show me anywhere in scriptures where someone appoints themself or another without having been appointed by someone of Apostolic succession.

1Co 12:28 And God indeed hath set some in the church; first apostles, secondly prophets, thirdly doctors: after that miracles: then the graces of healings, helps, governments, kinds of tongues, interpretations of speeches.
1Co 12:29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all doctors?
1Co 12:30 Are all workers of miracles? Have all the grace of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?

God hath set some in the Church. It all began when Christ chose and appointed the 12. Paul speaks clearly of the imposition of hands.

**1Ti 4:14 Neglect not the grace that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with imposition of the hands of the priesthood.

1Ti 5:22 Impose not hands lightly upon any man, neither be partaker of other men’s sins. Keep thyself chaste.**

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Amen to that post.

Can’t get an AMEN to Christ teaching the Holy Ghost was in the Old Testament times?

In the old testament there was no Holy Spirit. And faith does come by hearing. But believers have the HS to aid.

Wrong again! Jesus taught of the Holy Ghost in Old Testament times!

**Mar 12:35 And Jesus answering, said, teaching in the temple: How do the scribes say that Christ is the son of David?
Mar 12:36 For David himself saith by the Holy Ghost: The Lord said to my Lord: Sit on my right hand, until I make thy enemies thy footstool. **

 

[tweetymom]

Can’t get an AMEN to Christ teaching the Holy Ghost was in the Old Testament times?

Wrong again! Jesus taught of the Holy Ghost in Old Testament times!

**Mar 12:35 And Jesus answering, said, teaching in the temple: How do the scribes say that Christ is the son of David?
Mar 12:36 For David himself saith by the Holy Ghost: The Lord said to my Lord: Sit on my right hand, until I make thy enemies thy footstool. **

Amen and it was not the same as today. If you have the HS you do not need the CC to interpert

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Amen and it was not the same as today. If you have the HS you do not need the CC to interpert

I cannot believe you’re saying the Holy Spirit is not the same today as it was in any period of time.

Oh, care to show where that is taught in the Bible?

Glory be to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be. World without end. Amen.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

All the Apostles were men of the Church, appointed by Christ Himself. They preached with authority and they taught scriptures with authority. They wrote not to interpret scriptures for yourselves, through the warnings about the unlearned, unstable and unwise.

The God inspire word tells us the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth. The inspired word of God tells us the manifold wisdom of God maybe made known through the Church. This was written by men of the Church, some who God appointed Himself.

The teaching that the Bible is the ONLY authority is a man made teaching and it is not scriptural.

The teaching that people should interprets scriptures for themselves is a man made teaching and it is not scriptural.

Evidence of this being wrong is evident in thousands of denomination with different teachings based on someone’s private interpretation, and all claiming the guidance of the Holy Spirit. If you have 10 people with a different interpretation, how is anyone to know which is true and which is false? The Holy Spirit was, is and always will be the same. He is not with everyone that tells you He is with them.

 

[tweetymom]

I cannot believe you’re saying the Holy Spirit is not the same today as it was in any period of time.

Oh, care to show where that is taught in the Bible?

Glory be to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be. World without end. Amen.

John7:39 But this spake He of the Spirit,which they that believe on Him should recieve: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given because Jes was not yet glorified.

 

[tweetymom]

All the Apostles were men of the Church, appointed by Christ Himself. They preached with authority and they taught scriptures with authority. They wrote not to interpret scriptures for yourselves, through the warnings about the unlearned, unstable and unwise.

The God inspire word tells us the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth. The inspired word of God tells us the manifold wisdom of God maybe made known through the Church. This was written by men of the Church, some who God appointed Himself.

The teaching that the Bible is the ONLY authority is a man made teaching and it is not scriptural.

The teaching that people should interprets scriptures for themselves is a man made teaching and it is not scriptural.

Evidence of this being wrong is evident in thousands of denomination with different teachings based on someone’s private interpretation, and all claiming the guidance of the Holy Spirit. If you have 10 people with a different interpretation, how is anyone to know which is true and which is false? The Holy Spirit was, is and always will be the same. He is not with everyone that tells you He is with them.

Church
But you see I do not agree that the CC is the authority. We believers are Christs Church

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

John7:39 But this spake He of the Spirit,which they that believe on Him should recieve: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given because Jes was not yet glorified.

**Mar 12:36 For David himself saith by the Holy Ghost: The Lord said to my Lord: Sit on my right hand, until I make thy enemies thy footstool. **

So, is Jesus wrong, or did He give conflicting teachings. No, you’re misreading one verse and weighing it over another.

The verse you posted is speaking about when the verse below was to take place.

Joh 20:22 When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Church
But you see I do not agree that the CC is the authority. We believers are Christs Church

Ok, are you letting the Church instruct you?

See, you can’t dig your way out of the hole you’ve dug for yourself. Even if you disagree that the Catholic Church is not the early Church, scriptures are clear about the Church being the authority, with men over that Church.

Scriptures are clear, when you accept that one cannot interpret ALL scriptures correctly for themselves and that there is an authority over His Church.

You’ve gotten alot of ‘attaboys’ from people against the Catholic Church, now see if they agree with you that the Holy Spirit did not exist in the Old Testament or that the Holy Spirit was different.

 

[tweetymom]

John 14: 16-17 I will pray the Father, and He will sengive you another comfofortor; that He may abide in you for ever. Even the Spirit of truth whom the world cannot receivw, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him; but ye know him because he dwelleth with you and shall be in you

 

[tweetymom]

Ok, are you letting the Church instruct you?

See, you can’t dig your way out of the hole you’ve dug for yourself. Even if you disagree that the Catholic Church is not the early Church, scriptures are clear about the Church being the authority, with men over that Church.

Scriptures are clear, when you accept that one cannot interpret ALL scriptures correctly for themselves and that there is an authority over His Church.

You’ve gotten alot of ‘attaboys’ from people against the Catholic Church, now see if they agree with you that the Holy Spirit did not exist in the Old Testament or that the Holy Spirit was different.

You are the one in a hole

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

John 14: 16-17 I will pray the Father, and He will sengive you another comfofortor; that He may abide in you for ever. Even the Spirit of truth whom the world cannot receivw, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him; but ye know him because he dwelleth with you and shall be in you

You are just going backwards here. That was said in a discussion between Christ and the Apostles, ONLY. He knew His time was drawing near and He was teaching them, building their confidences and warning them that He would not be with them ‘physically’ always.

Number two, that doesn’t say for every person that reads scriptures to assure that they can understand them alone.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

You are the one in a hole

No, and I thank you for helping me prove a point to the others…

 

[BrianH]

You say valuable, one Bible says profitable, others state useful…none of which are complete or all that is needed.

**2Ti 3:16 All scripture, inspired of God, is profitable to teach, to reprove, to correct, to instruct in justice:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, furnished to every good work. **

Also, note it is good for teaching, reproving, correcting and instructing, all from authority. Show me anywhere in scriptures where someone appoints themself or another without having been appointed by someone of Apostolic succession.

1Co 12:28 And God indeed hath set some in the church; first apostles, secondly prophets, thirdly doctors: after that miracles: then the graces of healings, helps, governments, kinds of tongues, interpretations of speeches.
1Co 12:29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all doctors?
1Co 12:30 Are all workers of miracles? Have all the grace of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?

God hath set some in the Church. It all began when Christ chose and appointed the 12. Paul speaks clearly of the imposition of hands.

**1Ti 4:14 Neglect not the grace that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with imposition of the hands of the priesthood.

1Ti 5:22 Impose not hands lightly upon any man, neither be partaker of other men’s sins. Keep thyself chaste.**

So why did Joseph Smith have so many wives?
How come Mary Baker Eddy took morphine before she died?
Why was Luther so harsh at times?

Oh wait…none of those have anything to do with Catholics.

Kind of like, your argument against Sola Scriptura in the first paragraph has NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT WE BELIEVE. Why the (insert word of choice) are you arguing Sola Scriptura against someone who just clearly stated what they do believe??? Never mind. This is like watching a debate when the politician lists their talking points even though they have nothing to do with the question.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

So why did Joseph Smith have so many wives?
How come Mary Baker Eddy took morphine before she died?
Why was Luther so harsh at times?

Oh wait…none of those have anything to do with Catholics.

Kind of like, your argument against Sola Scriptura in the first paragraph has NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT WE BELIEVE. Why the (insert word of choice) are you arguing Sola Scriptura against someone who just clearly stated what they do believe??? Never mind. This is like watching a debate when the politician lists their talking points even though they have nothing to do with the question.

More like another type program, where occasionally the comic relief runs through.

Didn’t you just run through a few posts ago and post 2 Timothy 3:16 - 17 as if it supported private interpretation?

 

[tweetymom]

You are just going backwards here. That was said in a discussion between Christ and the Apostles, ONLY. He knew His time was drawing near and He was teaching them, building their confidences and warning them that He would not be with them ‘physically’ always.

Number two, that doesn’t say for every person that reads scriptures to assure that they can understand them alone.

I am not backwards you are because you do not believe all scripture was written for all.

Jon 15:1-16 especially 13 Howbeit when He the spirit of truth is come, he will guide you into all truth; for he shall not speak of himself; but whatso ever he shall hear, that shall hr speak and he will shew you things to come.

Ssorry you believe that is only for certain people. It is for all and you will NEVER convince me otherwise. period.