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wisdomseeker said:
really? is it not because of this that protestants have been condemned the CC for centuries? for doing works of charity?
very interesting. interesting indeed.
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I do not understand what you are trying to say here.
 
TEPO said:
But the Pope is not wrong…
A letter from Benedict to the world:
vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/encyclicals/documents/hf_ben-xvi_enc_20090629_caritas-in-veritate_en.html

The pope gives “modern day” direction for the Church… He takes nothing away, while helping to explain which "works’ are most needed today!

Is’nt this exactly what Church leaders did 2000 years ago, which we can see in the bible? The Holy Father assumes his role well, in acting like an Apostle.

The Church really is the same as it was during Biblical times, as in the letters to Corinthians etc…
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its too long to read. does its say that spreading the gospel is not the main purpose of the church?
 
tweetymom said:
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But you see I do not agree that the CC is the authority. We believers are Christs Church
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Who on this earth is has the aurthority?
Perhaps it is your contention that there is no need of set doctrine,etc…because the true beleivers don’t need this(set doctrine) because they know the doctrines by the teaching of the Holy Spirit,through the word of God.Also that this gorup of believers exist within many different belief systems,Iow they don’t beleive everything that their church teaches them but that’s alright because they are part of the invisible true church.
 
Tantum_ergo said:
False dichotomy on your part Tweetymom. Who says that an organization CANNOT be the Church of the BIble? Not the Bible, that’s for sure.

There is no such thing as a nebulous ‘invisible church of believers’. St. Paul was very specific about the Church being visible. A real ‘organization’.

Honestly, considering how you loathe and detest virtually every Catholic teaching ever given, I’m surprised you want to be considered Catholic.

Yep, it is JUST like somebody who eats steak 3 times a day insisting on being a card-carrying member of the Vegan Society.
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my church is not invisible.
 
CMatt25 said:
One answer I’ve been given by my Protestant brothers and sisters is God could have used the CC for that purpose at the time. But it doesn’t mean Christ did not need to reform Her. But some of our Protestant brothers or sisters here can perhaps answer you better.
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The church I see that gave us the Bible had bishops traval from all over and they debated and voted to setle issues of doctrine. there was not one pope who did the deciding… and those that were found to be in error were allowed to return home alive…
 
MyRdmrLvs said:
The church I see that gave us the Bible had bishops traval from all over and they debated and voted to setle issues of doctrine. there was not one pope who did the deciding… and those that were found to be in error were allowed to return home alive…
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???
 
wisdomseeker said:
all believers under the authority of the Chair of St Peter. this is the Church.

i am interesting in know how many brides Jesus is to have. as far as i know the Bible says only One. not many. this Church represents His Kingdom with authority on earth. does your church have authority like the CC does?

it talks about One Church. this seems to be saying that there is only One Truth. if the CC is not the One teaching the Truth, who is? the baptists, methodists, assemblies of God, church of God, church of Christ? who? who sent them? did you read the Bible and then started your church? it must be all in One accord, if it is from God. read below.

“Yes, to me, the very least of all saints, there was given this grace, to announce among the Gentiles the good tidings of the unfathomable riches of Christ, and to enlighten all men as to what is the dispensation of the mystery which has been hidden from eternity in GOD, who created all things; in order that through the Church there be made known to the Principalities and the Powers in the Heavens the manifold wisdom of GOD…” Eph 3:8-10

i am not talking about half truths, if such thing even exists.
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well if God lets you chose who goes to heaven, then I guess we will be left out:shrug:
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
I think everyone recognizes the fact that a ‘reform’ in the Church was necessary. There were sinful men in the Church. There always will be, and that goes for ANY Church. Just as there were sinful men, there were many devout and holy men, as well or the Church would be no different today.

The problem lies within how it was ‘reformed’. You cannot reform what you leave. In my opinion, men left the Church Christ built and started a new one. This suggests that they, men, could improve on that which Christ built.

Martin Luther had a problem with ‘indulgences’ and more specifically that they were sold. I believe he articulated his objection rather well and feel it sad that he chose to leave the Church.

Since leaving the Church, look at all the other objections that have been raised. Martin Luther believed in the real presence, the perpetual virginity, etc.

Those practices of selling indulgences no longer exist in the Church, therefore it has been reformed, from within. But because of those that left the Church, we now have a ‘list’ of objections to try and satisfy. That list was produced through private interpretations of scriptures weighed against doctrines of the Church, that they are no longer a part of.

They only have parts of the faith, hopefully enough parts to be worthy of the promises of Christ through God’s great and infinite ecomony. That is my prayer.
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were there not other reformers who stayed and paid for it with their lives?
 
MyRdmrLvs said:
were there not other reformers who stayed and paid for it with their lives?
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I’ve been reading some of your posts this evening and have to say, I’ve noticed a difference. It seems to be rising to ‘anti’ rhetoric.:eek:

Now, you can’t make assertions, or rather insinuations and expect us to defend against them. You should have the decency to post your sources for such statements.

Another point is, are all Catholics to be condemned if there were sinful men in the Church? Are there no sinful men in your ‘visible’ Church? As I said, the Church was reformed. Would you prefer it remained the same as it was?

I’ll check back in the morning and respond to your ‘sources’. Maybe you should consider turning in for the night as well. 🤷
 
MyRdmrLvs said:
well if God lets you chose who goes to heaven, then I guess we will be left out:shrug:
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No, it is your disobedience that is not going to let you in Heaven.

show me where in the NT where laity had authority to enterpret Scriptures and dissagree with the Apostles and stand.
 
TEPO said:
But the Pope is not wrong…
A letter from Benedict to the world:
vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/encyclicals/documents/hf_ben-xvi_enc_20090629_caritas-in-veritate_en.html

The pope gives “modern day” direction for the Church… He takes nothing away, while helping to explain which "works’ are most needed today!

Is’nt this exactly what Church leaders did 2000 years ago, which we can see in the bible? The Holy Father assumes his role well, in acting like an Apostle.

The Church really is the same as it was during Biblical times, as in the letters to Corinthians etc…
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We are to be the body of Christ. He met the needs of the people, the need He paid the greatest price to provide is the most important.
 
TEPO said:
Maybe God allowed the divide because too many people were being “forced” into heaven beyond thier own will…

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Ironic, this is no doubt true, however Jesus didnt command His followers to force them to Heaven by taking their lives.😦
 
TEPO said:
This is where I strongly disagree… By recognizing alternative and often much simpler routes to heaven, the lay catholic will often “fall-out” of the faith…

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So Im taking an easier route to Heaven? Being a Catholic is hard work? really?🤷
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
What’s going on My? You seem to be having a ‘bad night’ or something?
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Im shocked to hear in this thread that the pope has said spreading the gospel is not the priority of the church and Ive been basicly told Im no different than a morman or JW.
While on a personal note my grandson was born in another state with down syndrome and hes fighting for his life. we were expecting him to be healthy.
 
MyRdmrLvs said:
Im shocked to hear in this thread that the pope has said spreading the gospel is not the priority of the church and Ive been basicly told Im no different than a morman or JW.
While on a personal note my grandson was born in another state with down syndrome and hes fighting for his life. we were expecting him to be healthy.
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you are misunderstanding. what do you think the pope is doing? perhaps you need to listen to what he is saying.

Jesus said: His Church would be here until the ends of time. and so it is.

i am sorry about your grandson. pray that he will receive the Grace from God.

blessings.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
I’ve been reading some of your posts this evening and have to say, I’ve noticed a difference. It seems to be rising to ‘anti’ rhetoric.:eek:

Now, you can’t make assertions, or rather insinuations and expect us to defend against them. You should have the decency to post your sources for such statements.

Another point is, are all Catholics to be condemned if there were sinful men in the Church? Are there no sinful men in your ‘visible’ Church? As I said, the Church was reformed. Would you prefer it remained the same as it was?

I’ll check back in the morning and respond to your ‘sources’. Maybe you should consider turning in for the night as well. 🤷
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I think I should have stayed off of this thread. I think by answering the question of the OP it was taken for granted that I agreed with the statement about protestants belief about the RCC not looking like the early church. If you look at my first post I only described my church body, and was promptly slammed.
 
MyRdmrLvs said:
I think I should have stayed off of this thread. I think by answering the question of the OP it was taken for granted that I agreed with the statement about protestants belief about the RCC not looking like the early church. If you look at my first post I only described my church body, and was promptly slammed.
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it was not slammed. i think you come across as very emotional. that is a characteristic of protestants. as Catholics we dont see as you do.

by saying that your congregation is the Church of the Bible just because you do good is not enough to prove that it is.

that is what i am looking for. does your congregation resembles the Church of the Bible? how?
 
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