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******Protestants accused the CC of not being the same as the Church of the Bible.

So, protestants can you show us how your congregations resemble the Church of the Bible?

everyone of board! with love and charity, let’s reason.**

**St. Clement of Rome

[47, 6] Shameful, beloved, extremely shameful, and unworthy of your training in Christ, is the report that on account of one or two persons the well established and ancient Church of the Corinthians is in revolt against the presbyters. And this report has come not only to us, but even to those professing other faiths than ours, so that by your folly you heap blasphemies on the name of the Lord, and create a danger for yourselves.**
 
wisdomseeker said:
******Protestants accused the CC of not being the same as the Church of the Bible.

So, protestants can you show us how your congregations resemble the Church of the Bible?

everyone of board! with love and charity, let’s reason.**

**St. Clement of Rome

[47, 6] Shameful, beloved, extremely shameful, and unworthy of your training in Christ, is the report that on account of one or two persons the well established and ancient Church of the Corinthians is in revolt against the presbyters. And this report has come not only to us, but even to those professing other faiths than ours, so that by your folly you heap blasphemies on the name of the Lord, and create a danger for yourselves.**
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i think the silence gives you your answer:D its deafening:)peace
 
In fairness to Protestants, I don’t think that quote from the Letter of St, Clement, true or not, conveys to anyone the idea that this thread is likely to be conducted with love and charity.
 
Thanks everyone for coming on the board.

Nine. i think we can be charitable if we are willing to listen more than talk. we can certainly wait on the protestants to describe how their assemblies of believers resembles the Church of the Bible and the CC doesnt.

Nine, the Truth must be told, weather people like or not. the Truth should not be hidden because someone dont want to hear.

**St. Clement of Rome

[47, 6] Shameful, beloved, extremely shameful, and unworthy of your training in Christ, is the report that on account of one or two persons the well established and ancient Church of the Corinthians is in revolt against the presbyters. And this report has come not only to us, but even to those professing other faiths than ours, so that by your folly you heap blasphemies on the name of the Lord, and create a danger for yourselves.**
 
Our church has always had very Jewish roots…The Jews were familiar with liturgy, and what we do is in many ways because of our Jewish roots

Look at our founders!
 
wisdomseeker said:
******Protestants accused the CC of not being the same as the Church of the Bible.

So, protestants can you show us how your congregations resemble the Church of the Bible?

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Nope. Guess we’re all equal and in this together. Therefore, why not start with what we agree on and go evangelize the lost people of the world of which there are billions.
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Dokimas said:
Nope. Guess we’re all equal and in this together. Therefore, why not start with what we agree on and go evangelize the lost people of the world of which there are billions.
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That’s not what the OP is saying. What he (she?) is saying is that Protestants accuse the RCC of not being “Christian”- not being of the Bible, even though we claim to be (and are).

So what the OP is asking, then, is how is your denomination/church more Biblical than the RCC, since apparently we aren’t.
 
coolduude said:
That’s not what the OP is saying. What he (she?) is saying is that Protestants accuse the RCC of not being “Christian”- not being of the Bible, even though we claim to be (and are).

So what the OP is asking, then, is how is your denomination/church more Biblical than the RCC, since apparently we aren’t.
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The OP said that the CC is not the original church which I agreed with. I would say that no non-catholic Christian church is either putting us all in the same boat, so to speak. Many individuals in the churches mentioned are no doubt part of the First Church of Jesus Christ, His Body and Bride. Our part is obey the Head of the Church, put aside the differences and preach the Gospel so all may get a chance to hear and follow Jesus.
 
redrosetea said:
Our church has always had very Jewish roots…The Jews were familiar with liturgy, and what we do is in many ways because of our Jewish roots

Look at our founders!
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Exactly.

The problem with trying to identify physical similarities between those Churches and Churches of today is the persecutions that existed in those times. Christians could not openly practice their faith.

We have to go by the practices of those Churches as compared to the practices of Churches today.

On another thread, I posted a response to one of our Protestant brothers, claiming the Church goes against the commandments of God, showing the similarities between an Old Testament Temple and the Catholic Churches of today. I am reposting it below.

Does your preacher/pastor wear fine linen vestments as commanded by the Lord?

Exo 39:1 And he made, of violet and purple, scarlet and fine linen, the vestments for Aaron to wear when he ministered in the holy places, as the Lord commanded Moses.

Exo 40:13 Thou shalt put on them the holy vestments, that they may minister to me, and that the unction of them may prosper to an everlasting priesthood.

Does your Church use candles and incense as commanded by the Lord?

Exo 40:24 (40:22) He set the candlestick also in the tabernacle of the testimony, over against the table on the south side,
Exo 40:25 (40:23) Placing the lamps in order, according to the precept of the Lord.
Exo 40:26 (40:24) He set also the altar of gold under the roof of the testimony, over against the veil,
Exo 40:27 (40:25) And burnt upon it the incense of spices, as the Lord had commanded Moses.

How about the bread as commanded by the Lord?

Exo 40:23 (40:21) Setting there in order the loaves of proposition, as the Lord had commanded Moses.

Does your Church have the tabernacle of the covenant and the altar?

Exo 40:32 (40:30) When they went into the tabernacle of the covenant, and went to the altar, as the Lord had commanded Moses.

Is there a place to wash with water in your Church?

Exo 40:12 And thou shalt bring Aaron and his sons to the door of the tabernacle of the testimony, and having washed them with water,

These, also, are commandments of the Lord. These, also, can be found in the Catholic Church.
 
Dokimas said:
Nope. Guess we’re all equal and in this together. Therefore, why not start with what we agree on and go evangelize the lost people of the world of which there are billions.
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so, protestants can accuse the CC of not being the Church of the Bible and yet they cannot give us evidence that they are the Church of the Bible?

no, we are not in this together. sorry.

the main thing here is that the people know the Truth. if one teaches the Truth and the other doesnt, the one not teaching the Truth should not be evangelizing to others.

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St. Clement of Rome

[47, 6] Shameful, beloved, extremely shameful, and unworthy of your training in Christ, is the report that on account of one or two persons the well established and ancient Church of the Corinthians is in revolt against the presbyters. And this report has come not only to us, but even to those professing other faiths than ours, so that by your folly you heap blasphemies on the name of the Lord, and create a danger for yourselves.**
 
Dokimas said:
The OP said that the CC is not the original church which I agreed with. I would say that no non-catholic Christian church is either putting us all in the same boat, so to speak. Many individuals in the churches mentioned are no doubt part of the First Church of Jesus Christ, His Body and Bride. Our part is obey the Head of the Church, put aside the differences and preach the Gospel so all may get a chance to hear and follow Jesus.
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No. that is not what i said. Protestants are the ones accusing the CC of not being the Church of the Bible. please, read my post correctly. thank you.

**St. Clement of Rome

[47, 6] Shameful, beloved, extremely shameful, and unworthy of your training in Christ, is the report that on account of one or two persons the well established and ancient Church of the Corinthians is in revolt against the presbyters. And this report has come not only to us, but even to those professing other faiths than ours, so that by your folly you heap blasphemies on the name of the Lord, and create a danger for yourselves.**
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
Exactly.

The problem with trying to identify physical similarities between those Churches and Churches of today is the persecutions that existed in those times. Christians could not openly practice their faith.

We have to go by the practices of those Churches as compared to the practices of Churches today.

On another thread, I posted a response to one of our Protestant brothers, claiming the Church goes against the commandments of God, showing the similarities between an Old Testament Temple and the Catholic Churches of today. I am reposting it below.

Does your preacher/pastor wear fine linen vestments as commanded by the Lord?

Exo 39:1 And he made, of violet and purple, scarlet and fine linen, the vestments for Aaron to wear when he ministered in the holy places, as the Lord commanded Moses.

Exo 40:13 Thou shalt put on them the holy vestments, that they may minister to me, and that the unction of them may prosper to an everlasting priesthood.

Does your Church use candles and incense as commanded by the Lord?

Exo 40:24 (40:22) He set the candlestick also in the tabernacle of the testimony, over against the table on the south side,
Exo 40:25 (40:23) Placing the lamps in order, according to the precept of the Lord.
Exo 40:26 (40:24) He set also the altar of gold under the roof of the testimony, over against the veil,
Exo 40:27 (40:25) And burnt upon it the incense of spices, as the Lord had commanded Moses.

How about the bread as commanded by the Lord?

Exo 40:23 (40:21) Setting there in order the loaves of proposition, as the Lord had commanded Moses.

Does your Church have the tabernacle of the covenant and the altar?

Exo 40:32 (40:30) When they went into the tabernacle of the covenant, and went to the altar, as the Lord had commanded Moses.

Is there a place to wash with water in your Church?

Exo 40:12 And thou shalt bring Aaron and his sons to the door of the tabernacle of the testimony, and having washed them with water,

These, also, are commandments of the Lord. These, also, can be found in the Catholic Church.
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Does your church stone adulterers? ( Le 20:10 ‘The man who commits adultery with another man’s wife, he who commits adultery with his neighbor’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress, shall surely be put to death.) Remember Jesus said adultry extends to the thought life. Shall I submit myself to stoning because of my sinful tendancies?​

We could go on …
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
Exactly.

The problem with trying to identify physical similarities between those Churches and Churches of today is the persecutions that existed in those times. Christians could not openly practice their faith.

We have to go by the practices of those Churches as compared to the practices of Churches today.

On another thread, I posted a response to one of our Protestant brothers, claiming the Church goes against the commandments of God, showing the similarities between an Old Testament Temple and the Catholic Churches of today. I am reposting it below.

Does your preacher/pastor wear fine linen vestments as commanded by the Lord?

Exo 39:1 And he made, of violet and purple, scarlet and fine linen, the vestments for Aaron to wear when he ministered in the holy places, as the Lord commanded Moses.

Exo 40:13 Thou shalt put on them the holy vestments, that they may minister to me, and that the unction of them may prosper to an everlasting priesthood.

Does your Church use candles and incense as commanded by the Lord?

Exo 40:24 (40:22) He set the candlestick also in the tabernacle of the testimony, over against the table on the south side,
Exo 40:25 (40:23) Placing the lamps in order, according to the precept of the Lord.
Exo 40:26 (40:24) He set also the altar of gold under the roof of the testimony, over against the veil,
Exo 40:27 (40:25) And burnt upon it the incense of spices, as the Lord had commanded Moses.

How about the bread as commanded by the Lord?

Exo 40:23 (40:21) Setting there in order the loaves of proposition, as the Lord had commanded Moses.

Does your Church have the tabernacle of the covenant and the altar?

Exo 40:32 (40:30) When they went into the tabernacle of the covenant, and went to the altar, as the Lord had commanded Moses.

Is there a place to wash with water in your Church?

Exo 40:12 And thou shalt bring Aaron and his sons to the door of the tabernacle of the testimony, and having washed them with water,

These, also, are commandments of the Lord. These, also, can be found in the Catholic Church.
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:amen::yeah_me::highprayer:
 
Read Nehemiah 8 and see an example of the liturgy of the word.

**Nehemiah 8

1And all the people gathered themselves together as one man into the street that was before the water gate; and they spake unto Ezra the scribe to bring the book of the law of Moses, which the LORD had commanded to Israel.

2And Ezra the priest brought the law before the congregation both of men and women, and all that could hear with understanding, upon the first day of the seventh month.

3And he read therein before the street that was before the water gate from the morning until midday, before the men and the women, and those that could understand; and the ears of all the people were attentive unto the book of the law.

4And Ezra the scribe stood upon a pulpit of wood, which they had made for the purpose; and beside him stood Mattithiah, and Shema, and Anaiah, and Urijah, and Hilkiah, and Maaseiah, on his right hand; and on his left hand, Pedaiah, and Mishael, and Malchiah, and Hashum, and Hashbadana, Zechariah, and Meshullam.

5And Ezra opened the book in the sight of all the people; (for he was above all the people) and when he opened it, all the people stood up:

6And Ezra blessed the LORD, the great God. And all the people answered, Amen, Amen, with lifting up their hands: and they bowed their heads, and worshipped the LORD with their faces to the ground.

7Also Jeshua, and Bani, and Sherebiah, Jamin, Akkub, Shabbethai, Hodijah, Maaseiah, Kelita, Azariah, Jozabad, Hanan, Pelaiah, and the Levites, caused the people to understand the law: and the people stood in their place.

8So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading.**

One example of the Mass, itself, was demonstrated by the Lord.

**Luk 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded to them in all the scriptures the things that were concerning him.

Luk 24:30 And it came to pass, whilst he was at table with them, he took bread and blessed and brake and gave to them.
Luk 24:31 And their eyes were opened: and they knew him. And he vanished out of their sight.

Luk 24:32 And they said one to the other: Was not our heart burning within us, whilst he spoke in the way and opened to us the scriptures?
Luk 24:35 And they told what things were done in the way: and how they knew him in the breaking of bread. **
 
wisdomseeker said:
No. that is not what i said. Protestants are the ones accusing the CC of not being the Church of the Bible. please, read my post correctly. thank you.
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I think I understood what you said the first time and I believe I paraphrased it correctly. Maybe you did not understand my paraphrase. Sorry I wasn’t clear.​

My answer still stands. I’ll not bore you with repeating it again.
 
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