So, i hear...

[wisdomseeker]

I’d agree but in the discussion prior to my post, I saw the CC did this and the CC did that and I saw NOTHING about the Holy Spirit.

DOK
the CC is the Body of Christ. if the Body receives Glory so does the Head. cant separate the Body from the Head, can we?

And He said to His disciples, “It is impossible that scandals should not come; but woe to him through whom they come.”
Luke 17:1

 

[wisdomseeker]

The way you put it, the CC shares the glory with God. Don’t you have a problem with that?

NO. Christ died for His Church. it is His Bride. would you share your hapiness with your bride? or would you hide from her, afraid she is going to take it away?

And He said to His disciples, “It is impossible that scandals should not come; but woe to him through whom they come.”
Luke 17:1

 

[jbelokur]

The Church of the bible resembled temple worship of the Old Testament.

 

[wisdomseeker]

Hello, wisdomseeker, I really would like to say that from my point of view their are NO churches that are the right one or from the bible, now i think the real church of Christ is very small and unnoticed, doing all what is according to the word of God, Love does not seek her own, read 1st Corinthians 13 and you will find the real church of God.raggetyann

fortunately for us Catholics opinions of man has no bear in the Church’s teachings. it is just that, opinions.

well, Jesus is the Builder of the Church and what you think has no merits.

why first Corinthians 13? is it the only Scripture on the Church? or there is more? as you know as Catholics we want to hear all the Scriptures on the Church. so take your time in quoting them to us. we are patiente.

And He said to His disciples, “It is impossible that scandals should not come; but woe to him through whom they come.”
Luke 17:1

 

[wisdomseeker]

graceandglory;6233328:

I actually think that the RSV translation makes this point even more evident, "And they devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers

." Acts 2:42

This is a more precise translation and emphasises that it wasn’t just praying, ad lib, that they were talking about, but rather specific prayers, ie. the Eucharistic Prayers.

the first point. very good.

 

[spn82756]

Hello, wisdomseeker, I really would like to say that from my point of view their are NO churches that are the right one or from the bible, now i think the real church of Christ is very small and unnoticed, doing all what is according to the word of God, Love does not seek her own, read 1st Corinthians 13 and you will find the real church of God.raggetyann

Well now that’s a whole different subject. Of course you are wrong. While I’ll agree that all Churches have changed at least some…CC and Orthodox Churches are closer to the original Church beliefs than any other church. I ticked off a few people here inadvertantly playing devil’s advocate…but they have listed plenty of things similar to the original group of Jesus’ followers.

 

[fbl9]

The church of the bible didn’t have crucifixs…or did they

 

[spn82756]

The church of the bible didn’t have crucifixs…or did they

Hi…I believe that the Cross/Crucifix has always been an important part of the Church.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

The church of the bible didn’t have crucifixs…or did they

The Church of the Bible was suffering persecution, under penalty of death. The crucifixs then had the bodies of martyrs on them…

 

[SnakeMauler]

******Protestants accused the CC of not being the same as the Church of the Bible.

So, protestants can you show us how your congregations resemble the Church of the Bible?

everyone of board! with love and charity, let’s reason.**

**St. Clement of Rome

[47, 6] Shameful, beloved, extremely shameful, and unworthy of your training in Christ, is the report that on account of one or two persons the well established and ancient Church of the Corinthians is in revolt against the presbyters. And this report has come not only to us, but even to those professing other faiths than ours, so that by your folly you heap blasphemies on the name of the Lord, and create a danger for yourselves.**

I don’t understand how the Catholic church could not represent the church of the bible. Just think about it. The Catholic Church goes on as being the one major Christian church for like 1500 years, and then suddenly you get guys like Martin Luther who suddenly know everything and declare the Catholic church to be wrong and make their own church? The church has been going on for about 2000 years, yet people suddenly pop up today and say that their church that was founded maybe even as early as 100 years ago is suddenly right? Doesn’t make any sense. Just think about it.

Snakemauler

 

[Dokimas]

Dear Dokimas,
Just for the record,
I’m ashamed at my post.
I went back to delete it right after posting, then my comp went on the fritz.

Not a problem. I’ve made my share of mistakes and I’m sure I don’t even know the half of them. God bless.

 

[Dokimas]

wisdomseeker in black; Doki’s response in drk red

it would be ok to say this, but we are not talking specificaly about the HS. we are talking about the Church.** Too much talk about a church; not near enough talk about the Holy Spirit, IMO**. the HS is the Soul of the Church. contrary to what you believe which there is no Church You ARE WRONG, we know that Jesus built a Church, notice that i said, we know. ** I KNOW Jesus built and most likely is building a church. That’s not in question for me. The question is, ‘Is there a church that can claim to be the one and only Chruch Jesus built?’ I say NO. HIs church goes beyond denominations and church organizations.**

the sinful vessels are guided by the Church of Christ sinful vessels make up the church of Christ and not by the HS alone like you believe. the HS guides the Church and the Church guides us.

since you dont believe in teh Church Correction: in your church as the one and only, you resort to the HS alone guiding everyone to enterpret Scriptures John 14-16; 1 John 2; 1Corinthians 2:14-16 on their own. but nowhere in Scriptures you can find the promise that the HS is to guide individuals to enterpret Scriptures on their own. nowhere. I just shared some places to look.

 

[Dokimas]

Jesus died for His Church. do you think this counts for anything?

Jesus died for the sins of the whole world. That counts for everthing.

 

[Dokimas]

DOK
the CC is the Body of Christ.

Wrong!! It’s member can be part of the Body of Christ.

 

[Dokimas]

NO. Christ died for His Church. it is His Bride. would you share your hapiness with your bride? or would you hide from her, afraid she is going to take it away?

The Bride of Chrsit, the church, is much bigger than the CC. What’s your point about happiness and my bride all about? Until I understand the question I can’t answer.

 

[wisdomseeker]

wisdomseeker in black; Doki’s response in drk red

it would be ok to say this, but we are not talking specificaly about the HS. we are talking about the Church.** Too much talk about a church; not near enough talk about the Holy Spirit, IMO**. the HS is the Soul of the Church. contrary to what you believe which there is no Church You ARE WRONG, we know that Jesus built a Church, notice that i said, we know. ** I KNOW Jesus built and most likely is building a church. That’s not in question for me. The question is, ‘Is there a church that can claim to be the one and only Chruch Jesus built?’ I say NO. HIs church goes beyond denominations and church organizations.**

the sinful vessels are guided by the Church of Christ sinful vessels make up the church of Christ and not by the HS alone like you believe. the HS guides the Church and the Church guides us.

since you dont believe in teh Church Correction: in your church as the one and only, you resort to the HS alone guiding everyone to enterpret Scriptures John 14-16; 1 John 2; 1Corinthians 2:14-16 on their own. but nowhere in Scriptures you can find the promise that the HS is to guide individuals to enterpret Scriptures on their own. nowhere. I just shared some places to look.

and where does it say that outside the Church you can enterpret Scriptures, i didnt see it?

martin luther
“Noblemen, townsmen, peasants, all classes understand the Evangelium better than I or St. Paul; they are now wise and think themselves more learned than all the ministers.”
Walch XIV, 1360. quoted in O’Hare, Ibid, 209.

 

[Dokimas]

and where does it say that outside the Church you can enterpret Scriptures, i didnt see it?

The Holy Spirit is the only One able to correctly interpret the Scriptures. He does speak to individuals. That was part of the point of the verses I gave in the post.

 

[wisdomseeker]

I don’t understand how the Catholic church could not represent the church of the bible. Just think about it. The Catholic Church goes on as being the one major Christian church for like 1500 years, and then suddenly you get guys like Martin Luther who suddenly know everything and declare the Catholic church to be wrong and make their own church? The church has been going on for about 2000 years, yet people suddenly pop up today and say that their church that was founded maybe even as early as 100 years ago is suddenly right? Doesn’t make any sense. Just think about it.

Snakemauler

they cannot make the connection between the Church and Jerusalem(Israel). they think all they need is the Bible. they are convinced of something that never existed and never will. they pick passages of the Bible that they think is convinient for them and reject all the others. they think that Jesus is speaking to individuals anybody and not the leaders Jesus chose to build His Church. these stories were told because these events took place yet they think Jesus is speaking to them today.

hey what can we do?

 

[wisdomseeker]

The Holy Spirit is the only One able to correctly interpret the Scriptures. He does speak to individuals. That was part of the point of the verses I gave in the post.

No it does not say that. it is you who says that and not Jesus. i will wait for you to show me where in the Bible says that Scriptures is enterpreted by individuals.

martin luther
“Noblemen, townsmen, peasants, all classes understand the Evangelium better than I or St. Paul; they are now wise and think themselves more learned than all the ministers.”
Walch XIV, 1360. quoted in O’Hare, Ibid, 209.

 

[Dokimas]

No it does not say that. it is you who says that and not Jesus. i will wait for you to show me where in the Bible says that Scriptures is enterpreted by individuals.

I​

I misread your original post. I have not said the Scirptures are of private interpretation.​

2 Peter 1:
19 ¶ And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts;
20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation,
21 for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.​

It’s the Holy Spirit only that knows the Mind of God.​

1 Corintians 2:
14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one.
16 For “who has known the mind of the LORD that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

Notice who has the Mind of Christ - all believers.​

And with the Holy Spirit’s help, look what we can do…​

John 14:
23 Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.
24 "He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father’s who sent Me.
25 ¶ "These things I have spoken to you while being present with you.
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

and

1 John 2:
20 ¶ But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things.
21 I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.
23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
24 Therefore let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father.
25 And this is the promise that He has promised us–eternal life.
26 These things I have written to you concerning those who try to deceive you.
27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.