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Prodigal_Son1 said:
Then why do you choose to be Catholic, if it’s not scriptural, according to your interpretation?

And, you did not offer your interpretation on a single scriptures provided, why?
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hi prodigal. remember to respect you elders. tweety mom has probably lived long enough to develope a more open mind. how do you feel about mother theresa? i am as hard core as you about my faith, but i respect those that may be more lenient. tweetymom should not be ashamed to pronounce herself a Catholic. yes we are united on doctrine. you and i would probably agree on 99.9% of a lot of issues. however, there are other viewpoints out there, from Catholics who may be more ecumenical than you or i. Peace:)
 
Tweetymom, if you honestly dont understand the faith then please ask questions - we would love to help but simply to pass negative comment about the church is not good for you or anyone here. Perhaps you can start with what sacraments you do agree with and we could work from there?
 
Dokimas said:
They are the same.
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so, when diferent denominations come up with diferent enterpretation of Sacred Scriptures, who do you think is enterpreting Scriptures?

**martin luther
“Noblemen, townsmen, peasants, all classes understand the Evangelium better than I or St. Paul; they are now wise and think themselves more learned than all the ministers.”
Walch XIV, 1360. quoted in O’Hare, Ibid, 209. **
 
ConfusedTim said:
Tweetymom, if you honestly dont understand the faith then please ask questions - we would love to help but simply to pass negative comment about the church is not good for you or anyone here. Perhaps you can start with what sacraments you do agree with and we could work from there?
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Hello Tim, It has been hard for defenders of the faith to ignore Tweetys dissent, especially since she has revealed to us the she is very active in her parish Church, with RCIA and Pastoral approval.
She is a regular visitor to the non-catholic threads as a Catholic although she will not defend the faith. We have been informed by her ,in other threads, that she does not believe in the Papacy and the teaching authority of the Church. Recently she supported the idea that the Holy Eucharist should be opened to all our separated brothers.
She does not support Sacred Tradition and is basically a Bible only believing Christian, it seems she has never been able to move on from that false notion since leaving the separated Church, In spite of her dissent, I do sincerely believe Tweety loves Jesus with all her heart…she and her family are in my prayers. Peace and God bless us all:)Carlan
 
Carlan said:
Hello Tim, It has been hard for defenders of the faith to ignore Tweetys dissent, especially since she has revealed to us the she is very active in her parish Church, with RCIA and Pastoral approval.
She is a regular visitor to the non-catholic threads as a Catholic although she will not defend the faith. We have been informed by her ,in other threads, that she does not believe in the Papacy and the teaching authority of the Church. Recently she supported the idea that the Holy Eucharist should be opened to all our separated brothers.
She does not support Sacred Tradition and is basically a Bible only believing Christian, it seems she has never been able to move on from that false notion since leaving the separated Church, In spite of her dissent, I do sincerely believe Tweety loves Jesus with all her heart…she and her family are in my prayers. Peace and God bless us all:)Carlan
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IMO, true faith doesn’t need defending. It’s Author and Finisher, Jesus, is all the defense it needs. I suppose all docrines outside Jesus need defending.​

We are to give reason why we believe we have hope:

1 Peter 3: 15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear;
 
Dokimas said:

IMO, true faith doesn’t need defending. It’s Author and Finisher, Jesus, is all the defense it needs. I suppose all docrines outside Jesus need defending.​

We are to give reason why we believe we have hope:

1 Peter 3: 15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear;
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the reason it needs defense it is because of the attacks from the umbelievers.
we must defend the Truth against umbelievers. it has been from the begining. that is why Catholics have been persecuted, killed. killed for the Faith.

again you keep quoting Scriptures that does not pertain to those outside the Faith. all Scriptures have been written to the Church found by Christ and not to individuals outside the Church. that is the reason why you guys come up with all kinds of enterpretations and show no concern for the True enterpretation of the Word. to you it doesnt matter if you enterpret right or not. because then you would have to admit that the CC got it right. your pride wouldnt allow you to do such thing. but you all come here under the pretence using the Name of Jesus as if we Catholics are know nothings. it doesnt matter to me how many times you use the Name of Jesus, because at the same time distort His Words. get over yourselves. you didnt get the Word of God from God but it was taking from the CC. there is nothing for you to pride yourselves on taking something that was given to another.

**martin luther
“Noblemen, townsmen, peasants, all classes understand the Evangelium better than I or St. Paul; they are now wise and think themselves more learned than all the ministers.”
Walch XIV, 1360. quoted in O’Hare, Ibid, 209. **
 
Dokimas said:
IMO, true faith doesn’t need defending. It’s Author and Finisher, Jesus, is all the defense it needs. I suppose all docrines outside Jesus need defending.
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We are to give reason why we believe we have hope:

1 Peter 3: 15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear;
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Dokimas, the doctrines of the Catholic Church are part of the “Deposit of Faith” given by Jesus.
The Church is Jesus, she is his Bride, He is the Bridegroom, we are one in him in heaven and on earth. It is not about JUST you or me and Jesus. Again we are one in Him and as a Catholic we defend it.Peace and God Bless,:)Carlan
 
wisdomseeker said:
the reason it needs defense it is because of the attacks from the umbelievers.
we must defend the Truth against umbelievers. it has been from the begining. that is why Catholics have been persecuted, killed. killed for the Faith.

again you keep quoting Scriptures that does not pertain to those outside the Faith. all Scriptures have been written to the Church found by Christ and not to individuals outside the Church. that is the reason why you guys come up with all kinds of enterpretations and show no concern for the True enterpretation of the Word. to you it doesnt matter if you enterpret right or not. because then you would have to admit that the CC got it right. your pride wouldnt allow you to do such thing. but you all come here under the pretence using the Name of Jesus as if we Catholics are know nothings. it doesnt matter to me how many times you use the Name of Jesus, because at the same time distort His Words. get over yourselves. you didnt get the Word of God from God but it was taking from the CC. there is nothing for you to pride yourselves on taking something that was given to another.
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Go ahead and try to defend your catholic faith if you think it needs defending. My faith in the Lord Jesus Christ DOES NOT need defending. The truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ is kept by the Power of the Holy Spirit. Nothing can prevail against the Holy Spirit and the Gospel of Jesus Christ.​

What does need defending is why I have hope. The verse I quoted is relates to the unbelievers questioning why I have hope. I only have real hope if my hope is in the Lord Jesus Christ with meekness and fear.
 
Carlan said:
Dokimas, the doctrines of the Catholic Church are part of the “Deposit of Faith” given by Jesus.
The Church is Jesus, she is his Bride, He is the Bridegroom, we are one in him in heaven and on earth. It is not about JUST you or me and Jesus. Again we are one in Him and as a Catholic we defend it.Peace and God Bless,:)Carlan
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Glad to consider your opinion, Carlan.
 
wisdomseeker said:
so, when diferent denominations come up with diferent enterpretation of Sacred Scriptures, who do you think is enterpreting Scriptures?

**martin luther
“Noblemen, townsmen, peasants, all classes understand the Evangelium better than I or St. Paul; they are now wise and think themselves more learned than all the ministers.”
Walch XIV, 1360. quoted in O’Hare, Ibid, 209. **
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The Holy Spirit.​

To the degree we are open to His instruction, we are able to understand. Of course, that means we are humble, teachable, obedient, loving to fellow Christians, caring about the lost, etc.
 
Strikes me as a particularly silly statement by anyone, regarding any church. The answer, obviously, is that the Holy Spirit has (or has not, depending upon one’s perspective, I suppose) been molding The Church (or “the church;” again, perspective is everything in this discussion) for 2,000 years since “the Church of the Bible.”
 
Reading this thread makes me profoundly and humbly grateful I am a catholic…I feel so blessed that are culture and history goes right back to Christ and the Apostles…
 
IrishAm said:
Strikes me as a particularly silly statement by anyone, regarding any church. The answer, obviously, is that the Holy Spirit has (or has not, depending upon one’s perspective, I suppose) been molding The Church (or “the church;” again, perspective is everything in this discussion) for 2,000 years since “the Church of the Bible.”
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Does one’s perspective matter in this case?​

The question is ‘what do you see as the Church?’.
 
Dokimas said:
And as all opinion, it can be correct or it can be incorrect or somewhere in between.
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Actually in this case, Apostolic teaching is right out of the horse’s mouth,(don’t mean to sound uncouth) my faith says to me, believe it!👍 Peace, Carlan
 
benidict said:
hi prodigal. remember to respect you elders. tweety mom has probably lived long enough to develope a more open mind. how do you feel about mother theresa? i am as hard core as you about my faith, but i respect those that may be more lenient. tweetymom should not be ashamed to pronounce herself a Catholic. yes we are united on doctrine. you and i would probably agree on 99.9% of a lot of issues. however, there are other viewpoints out there, from Catholics who may be more ecumenical than you or i. Peace:)
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I’m no young’un myself. 😛

And so tweetymom and everyone else knows. I believe all Christians are a part of the body of Christ. How much a part is up to us each individually.

I do enter these discussions and express my view, I do not however take every opportunity to challenge every single issue for the sake of division, enticing dissensions or for the sake of claiming somone else to be wrong. That’s why I take time to articulate my thoughts and use sources to support my view.

When someone just takes ‘pot shots’ at a faith, without explaining themself or offering any type of sources, they are not sharing the Gospel the way scriptures or that they themselves profess it should be done. For example, to post little ‘snippets’ and then when asked to explain a view and they respond that they do not want to discuss doctrines, what are they doing? It’s like, oh I want to slap down anything that faith says, but I’m not going to explain my view or why I do it.

I can understand why someone would question a person’s sincerity when they claim one thing and oppose it every opportunity they have. There are a lot ‘anti’s’ that come here thinking that claiming one thing and stating another is an embarrassment to something they themselves dislike immensely.

It’s not for me to decide where a person belongs. Personally, I’d rather have a person with mistakes in the Church, than not in Church at all. At least they’re being exposed to the truth on a regular basis.
 
tweetymom said:
I did not give interpretation because I do not agree with your interpretation, and I am not going to argue doctrine. I already told you at least a dozen times what I do not agree with from the CC.
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The scriptures talked about taking note of someone who creates dissensions and avoid divisions. They same we should be of the same mind and judgement. How is that arguing doctrines?

By your posts, it would probably be quicker to post what you do agree with the Church on? 😛
 
Dokimas said:
And as all opinion, it can be correct or it can be incorrect or somewhere in between.
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and you say this because it is your opinion or do you speak the Truth?

"Let us note that the very tradition, teaching, and faith of the
Catholic Church from the beginning, which the Lord gave, was preached
by the Apostles, and was preserved by the Fathers. On this was the Church founded;
and if anyone departs from this, he neither is nor any longer ought to be called a Christian." St. Athanasius, Letter to Serapion of Thmuis, 359 A.D…
 
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