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[MyRdmrLvs]

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forgive me if i say this but you seem to think that only one party is the guilt one.

when it comes to your church, the ones who had guilt have been dead for a very long time. I have no problem with the Catholic Church today I just dont share all of her doctrines. I may not bend my knee to the pope but I look forward to the day when I will bend my knee with the pope before our Lord.

 

[MyRdmrLvs]

I like to think everyone here agrees it’s not a game. All Christians are taught to love and respect God’s Word. Afterall as John teaches us, the Word was God and existed from the beginning.

And Isn’t the King, Christ Himself? So as we profess Christ the King, perhaps we are not as divided as you might like to think.

Sure in some of the details there are differences. But we see differences among the disciples in Scripture.

So how do any of us really know what is right? You might believe the Church hierarchy, led by the Pope is always right. This is what you interpret from Scripture. Someone else might interpret differently. It really simply comes down to what each of us as Christians interpret and believe. That’s why it’s called it faith. I think sometimes Catholics and others lose sight of this.

But in what is most important, His Kingdom is not divided. But united. As Christians everywhere strive to do His work and profess Him, Christ, **our **King.

We may worship Him in different ways now but some day we will all be at His feet together.

 

[CMatt25]

We may worship Him in different ways now but some day we will all be at His feet together.

I liked your post about being with the Pope before the Lord. I hope to be there with you. How’s your grandson? I pray well.

 

[Carlan]

Hi Steve, I knew what it went on to say but I didn’t know how that part had anything to do with disproving we are in communion which is simply what I was attesting to. But thank you for including it. I know the Church says the communion is not perfect. But Catholics and others Christians are human so by definition imperfect. So I fail to see how that constitutes us not being in communion, united as one in Christ thru our Baptisms and faith in Him. Even as you pointed out, the Church says we are in communion, brothers and sisters in Christ thru Baptism.

That’s the only point I was trying to make. But Wisdom or anyone is free to disagree I guess.

I do just wonder sometimes though what Christ above is thinking when He instead spent so much time talking about love, peace, the poor, the sick, and so forth.

Peace.

Hi Matt, Yes the CCC does say Baptism constitutes the sacramental bond of unity existing among all who through it are reborn. It also says we cannot charge with the sin of separation those who at present are born into separated communities, that resulted from early separation and brought up in the faith of Christ, and the CC accepts them with respect and affection as brothers…all who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ, they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as bothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church.

That does not mean they are yet in full unity with us, much Truth is yet to be accepted by them. More and more are coming home to complete unity through the Church’s RCIA program. The Church prays daily for the unity desired by Christ of all his flock.God bless all,Peace, Carlan

 

[wisdomseeker]

when it comes to your church, the ones who had guilt have been dead for a very long time. I have no problem with the Catholic Church today I just dont share all of her doctrines. I may not bend my knee to the pope but I look forward to the day when I will bend my knee with the pope before our Lord.

the pope is here and he is always on his knees before our Lord. what is stopping you from join him now?

Peace.

 

[wisdomseeker]

this is a great example of reading something into a verse that isnt even remotely there. I was tempted to come up with some wild scripture twisting myself but I dont have the energy.

here these are infallible teachings.

Sam. 7:16; Psalm 89:3-4; 1 Chron.17:12,14 - God promises to establish the Davidic kingdom forever on earth.

Matt. 1:1 - Matthew clearly establishes this tie of David to Jesus. Jesus is the new King of the new House of David, and the King will assign a chief steward to rule over the house while the King is in heaven.

Isaiah 22:22 - in the old Davidic kingdom, there were royal ministers who conducted the liturgical worship and bound the people in teaching and doctrine. But there was also a Prime Minister or chief steward of the kingdom who held the keys. Jesus gives Peter these keys to His earthly kingdom, the Church. This representative has decision-making authority over the people - when he shuts, no one opens. See also Job 12:14.

Matt. 25:1-2 - Jesus comparing the kingdom of heaven to ten maidens, five of whom were foolish, further shows that the kingdom is the Church on earth. This kingdom cannot refer to the heavenly kingdom because there are no fools in heaven!

1 Chron. 28:5 - Solomon sits on the throne of the kingdom of the Lord. This shows that the “kingdom of God” usually means an earthly kingdom.

Luke 12:41-42 - when Peter asks Jesus if the parable of the master and the kingdom was meant just for the apostles or for all people, Jesus rhetorically confirms to Peter that Peter is the chief steward over the Master’s household of God. “Who then, (Peter) is that faithful and wise steward whom his master will make ruler over His household…?”

Jer. 33:17 - Jeremiah prophesies that David shall never lack a man to sit on the throne of the earthly House of Israel. Either this is a false prophecy, or David has a successor of representatives throughout history.

Dan. 2:44 - Daniel prophesies an earthly kingdom that will never be destroyed. Either this is a false prophecy, or the earthly kingdom requires succession.

Eph. 3:21 - this divine word tells us that Jesus Christ’s Church will exist in all generations. Only the Catholic Church can prove by succession such existence.

Peace.

 

[wisdomseeker]

this is a great example of reading something into a verse that isnt even remotely there. I was tempted to come up with some wild scripture twisting myself but I dont have the energy.

feel free to do so.

Peace

 

[wisdomseeker]

when it comes to your church, the ones who had guilt have been dead for a very long time. I have no problem with the Catholic Church today I just dont share all of her doctrines. I may not bend my knee to the pope but I look forward to the day when I will bend my knee with the pope before our Lord.

can you please explain this. i am not sure i understand.

 

[MyRdmrLvs]

So does the Mormon church. They say they are the church because the CC and protestants failed.

mormans believe the lie that satan told in the garden. “you will be like God” they follow a "prophet " that God clearly demonstrated was false.

 

[MyRdmrLvs]

I liked your post about being with the Pope before the Lord. I hope to be there with you. How’s your grandson? I pray well.

thank you, my grandson seems to be getting stronger, definitely has down syndrome. heart is good, breathing is better. thank you for asking and thank you to all, for your kind words and prayers. Im so glad I joined this forum, It has given me a real appreciation for the CC. notice I changed my religion?

 

[MyRdmrLvs]

Hi Matt, Yes the CCC does say Baptism constitutes the sacramental bond of unity existing among all who through it are reborn. It also says we cannot charge with the sin of separation those who at present are born into separated communities, that resulted from early separation and brought up in the faith of Christ, and the CC accepts them with respect and affection as brothers…all who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ, they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as bothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church.

That does not mean they are yet in full unity with us, much Truth is yet to be accepted by them. More and more are coming home to complete unity through the Church’s RCIA program. The Church prays daily for the unity desired by Christ of all his flock.God bless all,Peace, Carlan

in many ways we are getting more jioned than ever since the reformation. Our church is apart of a fund raiser for the local pregnancy center (the dirrecter is a member of our church) where is the dinner going to be held? at the Catholic Church. there is more that unites us than there is that devides us.

 

[MyRdmrLvs]

feel free to do so.

Peace

it would be no more convincing to you than yours is to me and I cant spend that much time in front of this computer. You are basically taking verses and drawing inferences from them. these are great verses if you leave them in their context.

 

[MyRdmrLvs]

can you please explain this. i am not sure i understand.

what part is not clear?

 

[wisdomseeker]

what part is not clear?

i was talking about your daughter and her boyfriend and you seemed to be talking about the Church.

Peace

 

[wisdomseeker]

it would be no more convincing to you than yours is to me and I cant spend that much time in front of this computer. You are basically taking verses and drawing inferences from them. these are great verses if you leave them in their context.

i am sorry but i have to ask you, and what is their context?

happy to hear your grandson is doing much better.

Peace.

 

[larkin31]

mormans believe the lie that satan told in the garden. “you will be like God” they follow a "prophet " that God clearly demonstrated was false.

The only lie Satan told was that they would not die (and actually they don’t, immediately, and only die later as a result of a punishment placed upon them by God). They DID learn Good and Evil.

 

[humblelurker]

Wisdom, thank you for your wishes of peace as well. But we can agree 1271 is talking about a communion of all properly baptized Christians, united together as one in Christ. That is good. So in the spirit of ecumenicalism, :grouphug: God bless!

I found time to post this:
Very True, otherwise the Catholic Church would not accept the properly Baptized of some other denominations (which it does). As I asked earlier in the thread: Do Protestants have nothing in common with the early church, no faith, no baptism, no scripture, nothing? I asked it and I had to answer it because wisdomseeker refused to answer it. That alone speaks volumes to me about wisdomseeker and explains a little about the intentions of this thread. That is why even when I had time to post, between being busy, I choose not to post. Yes Protestantism historically comes from the Catholic Church, but that does not dismiss the facts that I brought up or what grace Protestants possess. Protestants today did not rebel against the Catholic Church centuries ago, and should not be held in contempt by Catholics for being born non-Catholic. That is bigotry, and contempt and hostility towards them will not help.
“Charity will help Christians to foster the ‘thirst’ for full communion in truth. And by meekly following the Holy Spirit’s inspirations, we may look forward to reaching the hoped for unity on the day chosen by the Lord. This is why ecumenism urges us to make a fraternal and generous exchange of gifts, well aware that full communion in the faith, in the sacraments and in the ministry remains the goal and end of the entire ecumenical movement.” From Pope Benedict XVI in Reception and Future of Ecumenical Dialogue.
Does contempt and hostility towards Protestants help us reach that goal? NO! Charity and sincere humble honesty will help us. Not relativism but charity. I don’t see much charity on this thread. By the way, Christ said, “For he that is not against us is for us.” Mark 9:40

 

[tweetymom]

I found time to post this:
Very True, otherwise the Catholic Church would not accept the properly Baptized of some other denominations (which it does). As I asked earlier in the thread: Do Protestants have nothing in common with the early church, no faith, no baptism, no scripture, nothing? I asked it and I had to answer it because wisdomseeker refused to answer it. That alone speaks volumes to me about wisdomseeker and explains a little about the intentions of this thread. That is why even when I had time to post, between being busy, I choose not to post. Yes Protestantism historically comes from the Catholic Church, but that does not dismiss the facts that I brought up or what grace Protestants possess. Protestants today did not rebel against the Catholic Church centuries ago, and should not be held in contempt by Catholics for being born non-Catholic. That is bigotry, and contempt and hostility towards them will not help.
“Charity will help Christians to foster the ‘thirst’ for full communion in truth. And by meekly following the Holy Spirit’s inspirations, we may look forward to reaching the hoped for unity on the day chosen by the Lord. This is why ecumenism urges us to make a fraternal and generous exchange of gifts, well aware that full communion in the faith, in the sacraments and in the ministry remains the goal and end of the entire ecumenical movement.” From Pope Benedict XVI in Reception and Future of Ecumenical Dialogue.
Does contempt and hostility towards Protestants help us reach that goal? NO! Charity and sincere humble honesty will help us. Not relativism but charity. I don’t see much charity on this thread. By the way, Christ said, “For he that is not against us is for us.” Mark 9:40

Protestants have salvation everything the Catholic Church has except a Pope. Thats what most people on here think that is one thing Protestants lack. There are many more issues. I for one think we are all one in Jesus. God Bless.

 

[wisdomseeker]

I found time to post this:
Very True, otherwise the Catholic Church would not accept the properly Baptized of some other denominations (which it does). As I asked earlier in the thread: Do Protestants have nothing in common with the early church, no faith, no baptism, no scripture, nothing? I asked it and I had to answer it because wisdomseeker refused to answer it. That alone speaks volumes to me about wisdomseeker and explains a little about the intentions of this thread. That is why even when I had time to post, between being busy, I choose not to post. Yes Protestantism historically comes from the Catholic Church, but that does not dismiss the facts that I brought up or what grace Protestants possess. Protestants today did not rebel against the Catholic Church centuries ago, and should not be held in contempt by Catholics for being born non-Catholic. That is bigotry, and contempt and hostility towards them will not help.
“Charity will help Christians to foster the ‘thirst’ for full communion in truth. And by meekly following the Holy Spirit’s inspirations, we may look forward to reaching the hoped for unity on the day chosen by the Lord. This is why ecumenism urges us to make a fraternal and generous exchange of gifts, well aware that full communion in the faith, in the sacraments and in the ministry remains the goal and end of the entire ecumenical movement.” From Pope Benedict XVI in Reception and Future of Ecumenical Dialogue.
Does contempt and hostility towards Protestants help us reach that goal? NO! Charity and sincere humble honesty will help us. Not relativism but charity. I don’t see much charity on this thread. By the way, Christ said, “For he that is not against us is for us.” Mark 9:40

here is your answer.

Unitatis Redintegratio—Decree on Ecumenism

We saw earlier that the bishops at Vatican II, in their Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, did not hesitate to give “the whole truth and nothing but the truth” about who the Church is and how she sees herself. An equally forceful declaration finds its way into their Decree on Ecumenism:

“For it is only through Christ’s Catholic Church, which is ‘the all-embracing means of salvation,’ that they can benefit fully from the means of salvation. We believe that our Lord entrusted all the blessings of the New Covenant to the apostolic college alone, of which Peter is the head, in order to establish the one Body of Christ on earth to which all should be fully incorporated who belong in any way to the people of God” (UR 3).

Still, some would-be ecumenists encourage us to “just be nice.” In other words, don’t deal with any substantive issues, especially those that are theologically divisive. While the Council urged Catholics to present Catholic doctrine so that it is comprehensible to non-Catholics and in as palatable a manner as possible, it stressed that “it is, of course, essential that the doctrine should be clearly presented in its entirety” (emphasis mine). Then comes this outright condemnation of a less-than-forthright approach to ecumenical dialogue: “Nothing is so foreign to the spirit of ecumenism as a false irenicism in which the purity of Catholic doctrine suffers loss and its genuine and certain meaning is clouded” (11).

A writer has summed up in one line the principle the guides us: "The failure to live as one thinks leads to thinking according as one lives. The failure to pray in accord with one’s beliefs leads to believing according as one prays."

 

[CMatt25]

thank you, my grandson seems to be getting stronger, definitely has down syndrome. heart is good, breathing is better. thank you for asking and thank you to all, for your kind words and prayers. Im so glad I joined this forum, It has given me a real appreciation for the CC. notice I changed my religion?

Praise God. I am sure he is precious. God bless.